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You reap what you sow

By Rotterdamboro17/9 22:36Tue Sep 17 22:36:56 2019

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You place an order and buy horse manure, you get horse manure. The rot goes all the way to the top. History will show Stevenage FC lost their Football League status due to complacency and mismanagement from Wallace’s office right down. This bunch of fucktards couldn’t beat an egg. What a fuxking shower of shit. You reap what you sow Wallace

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Boromatt18/9 10:25Wed Sep 18 10:25:08 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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How's the hangover??

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Yogi18/9 10:08Wed Sep 18 10:08:47 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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What a stupid post.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Boromatt18/9 10:04Wed Sep 18 10:04:35 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I believe there have been managerial appointments made in the past to save "the budget", however I don't see what last nights match has to do with it? I think Sampson is an extremely intelligent man in football and has experienced managing the elite level in the game. Things will turn around.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Bladders (BALDOCKBORO)18/9 10:53Wed Sep 18 10:53:16 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I'm backing MS for now and I've watched a fair bit of women's football, but he really hasn't managed at the elite level. When he managed England ladiesthey only just started playing full time football in England, and you simply cannot compare 2014-15 ladies football with the men's pro game, it's a different game played at a different pace and speed.

If you want to compare that to men's football we all know what happened when the USWNT played a male development side.

This is not to decry the women's game, it's improving all the time.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By AgentEves18/9 16:36Wed Sep 18 16:36:20 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Comparing women's football to men's football is the most tedious argument against the quality of women's football.

MS coached at the elite level of women's football. You don't get there by accident. He showed during that world cup that he was tactically astute, and there is no reason why being a good tactician in women's football would mean you're not a good tactician in men's football.

Honestly, the only difference I've noticed, from a coaching perspective, is that men are far more stubborn and revert to habit much more than women. Women, in my experience, are much more willing learners, have less of an ego, and are less likely to ignore tactics and just do whatever they think is best.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Bladders (BALDOCKBORO)18/9 18:26Wed Sep 18 18:26:25 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I'm not arguing against women's football. It's good for what it is and it's improving all the time.

But there are huge differences between men's and womens games, men tend to be technically better, stronger, faster and more physical and cynical.

Tactics that work great for England ladies cannot simply be transferred to a L2 club. I accept the principles of shape, space and patterns of play aren't that different, but the execution is.

And whilst England may be the elite level of women's football its not the elite level of football that Matt, not you, infer, I have a mate who managed and coached ladies football to what was the highest club level.

He moved on to further his career and had to drop down to 2 levels below the conference to get work before climbing the men's ladder. Because the levels aren't comparable.

No top women's coach has moved across to the PL, Serie A or any other top tier men's league, because the quality and competirion is different.

Hope this doesn't come across as anti-Sampson or anti-womens football.

Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 18:27:11 on 18th September 2019

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Re: You reap what you sow

By AgentEves18/9 20:21Wed Sep 18 20:21:18 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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"Hope this doesn't come across as anti-Sampson or anti-womens football."

No, all good.

"He moved on to further his career and had to drop down to 2 levels below the conference to get work before climbing the men's ladder. Because the levels aren't comparable."

I would gues that a large part of the problem there could have been due to the fact that many involved in the men's game are stubborn or 'traditional' and are often reluctant (or in many cases, outright refuse) to acknowledge that the way things have always been might not be the way they should continue to be.

Two standout examples:
1. Corners. Despite the fact that corners only have a 2% success rate, everyone still thinks that lumping the ball into the box is the best tactic for a corner. People rarely attempt to try anything different. Even the teams that aren't renowned for being strong in the air.

2. If you haven't played at the highest level you can't be a top level manager (or, more frequently, if you're a top level player then you get a job as a top-level manager). This, quite frankly, is utter bollocks and the only real reason why this is a reality is because the players seemingly don't respect someone who hasn't been there and done it. Which, in my opinion, is utterly ridiculous. We see time and time and time again that top level, elite players end up as absolutely diabolical managers, and some of the best managers on the planet never played at a high level.

"Tactics that work great for England ladies cannot simply be transferred to a L2 club. I accept the principles of shape, space and patterns of play aren't that different, but the execution is."

Why? It's all relative. I mean, with the exception of exploiting particular weaknesses in the women's game (such as hitting high looping crosses, or shooting high into the net having a better chance of resulting in a goal) I don't really see what would be so completely different that it couldn't be transferable. Men tend to be technically better, stronger, faster and more physical and cynical... absolutely. But with the exception of the last two, all the other points are relative. It's not like you're talking about getting a women's team to be competitive with a men's team.

The opposition are technically better... than who? Than women? Why is that relevant? You're coaching players who have been deemed to be sufficiently competent (debatable, of course) at the level in which they are playing... so why does the fact that you're coaching technically superior players to those in the women's game make coaching different? It's not as though training sessions consist of coaching the actual technique required to kick a football. And even if Mark was doing that with the England Ladies, then he just wouldn't run those sessions with the men.

I strongly believe that the fundamentals of coaching would be exactly the same, and the only differences would be for the few specific nuances, such as men being more physical, cynical and the examples I mentioned above. Maybe I'm completely overlooking something really obvious, but the points you've made don't cover any reason why a successful coach from the women's game couldn't be a successful coach in the men's game, other than purely because the players are arseholes and refuse to listen to someone they don't respect because 'they are only a women's coach' - in which case we need to seriously be looking at the way footballers are coached from a young age.

Edited by AgentEves at 20:21:52 on 18th September 2019

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Bladders (BALDOCKBORO)18/9 21:41Wed Sep 18 21:41:56 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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You make some good points.

But if the skills are so transferable and a good women's coach can be equally good at coaching men why aren't successful women coaches being poached left right and centre by men's teams?

Can't just be because arseholery and sexism abound.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By AgentEves19/9 17:27Thu Sep 19 17:27:22 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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"Can't just be because arseholery and sexism abound."

Can't it?

Remember when England tried to play something other than 4-4-2, and how pissed off everyone got at them employing 'stupid foreign tactics'... I think you're underestimating how retarded many people involved in football are.

Like I say, there could be something else that I'm naively overlooking, but I wouldn't be surprised that it's just a simple case of stubbornness towards anything new/unknown.

That said, I think a large part of it is down to the risk involved. If a chairman hires a manager previously successful in women's football, the moronic minority of the fan base will be up in arms about it. Then, if that manager does anything other than hit the ground running, the fans will be going ballistic. It's completely understandable, it's just a big shame. That said, with the success and growth of women's football, over the past 5 or so years, I don't think it will be long before we start seeing more crossover.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Paulio18/9 18:49Wed Sep 18 18:49:02 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Just cause she wouldn’t sleep with you.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Puds (Chuds)18/9 18:29Wed Sep 18 18:29:09 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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You xenophobic sexist PIG.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)18/9 19:36Wed Sep 18 19:36:39 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Next he'll be saying they don't need a kit man/lady in womens football because the wash and iron their own kits and tidy up the dressing room after a game.
Cant believe he could even think that!

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Boromatt18/9 13:41Wed Sep 18 13:41:43 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I do agree with you Balders on the football being different. I'm coming from an angle with management and that he has experienced managing teams in the past who started off similar to ourselves. The management side of things IMO stays the same for every level and how you communicate with the players.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By AgentEves18/9 16:53Wed Sep 18 16:53:48 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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In an astonishing turn of events, I actually agree with you Matt.

That said, I think there are subtle differences in communication methods between coaching men and coaching women.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)18/9 19:37Wed Sep 18 19:37:40 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Yes, because if you get across the wrong message they won't speak to you for the rest of the day.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Puds (Chuds)18/9 19:42Wed Sep 18 19:42:32 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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LOL.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Deano (deanos13)18/9 18:54Wed Sep 18 18:54:04 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I don't know much about Mark prior to England

but Matt said ''and that he has experienced managing teams in the past who started off similar to ourselves.''

Who would this be?

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Pete (PeteH)18/9 19:53Wed Sep 18 19:53:50 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Bristol Academy (women's) and Taff's Well.

EDIT - Oops. Didn't read the last bit of that. But still...

Edited by PeteH at 19:54:26 on 18th September 2019

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Freemo18/9 12:33Wed Sep 18 12:33:39 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I still think Alex Morgan could do a job for us.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Puds (Chuds)18/9 13:04Wed Sep 18 13:04:30 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I'd be more, ahem, up, for games too.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By SFCfox18/9 13:02Wed Sep 18 13:02:33 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Rules FFS!

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Re: You reap what you sow

By East Coast Boro18/9 09:56Wed Sep 18 09:56:18 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Dear Rotterdamboro

Now you have calmed down, had a sleep, taken your tablets, would you like to reconsider (and maybe edit) your daft post from last night.?

There is a lot I've disagreed with Phil about over the years but overall he is a decent Chairman, unlike many of the Fckwit L1/L2 chairman/owners at many other clubs. (ask Bury/ Bolton / Blackburn/ Blackpool fans!).

There are still 37 more games left -111 points to play for (and only 1 relegation place!),
So come on everyone, back the players, management and chairman. This when they need our support now, not when we are doing well. (unless you are a trolls from other clubs of course - I do hope not)

DON'T PANIC .

COYB

Edited by East Coast Boro at 09:59:06 on 18th September 2019

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Rotterdamboro18/9 14:39Wed Sep 18 14:39:48 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I stand by every word. The buck stops with Wallace. End of. Doesn’t matter if it s Stevenage FC or a blue chip FTSE listed company. He is the ultimate decision maker in the organisation and therefore responsible for the calamitous mess we find ourselves in. Anyone arguing otherwise is off their rocker.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By East Coast Boro18/9 15:20Wed Sep 18 15:20:49 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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"I stand by every word. "

Fine if that what you really think.... but some of remember MR Victor Green or Stevenage Athletic (RIP) & Stevenage Town (RIP)

BUT be careful for what you wish for!

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Re: You reap what you sow

By AgentEves18/9 16:55Wed Sep 18 16:55:23 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Just because what you have now is better than what you had before, doesn't make what you have now good.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Rotterdamboro18/9 16:20Wed Sep 18 16:20:18 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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So the buck stopped with Victor but doesn’t stop with Wallace who is absolved of all blame for this mess we’re in. Is that what you’re saying?

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Re: You reap what you sow

By East Coast Boro18/9 17:11Wed Sep 18 17:11:31 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I'm saying Its a long season with 39 games and 111 points to play for. A turn of luck, a few key players returning and the backing of real SUPPORTERS and it may look a lot different by the end of October.

...Or would you rather another new manager (who?) and a new Chairman (Glen Tamplin maybe)? .... Or maybe you think GW could be both at the same time (that always goes well).

Which games have you been to this season when we have been really turned over?

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Re: You reap what you sow

By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)18/9 19:38Wed Sep 18 19:38:55 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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A turn of luck and I might marry Jennifer Aniston.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Ratman4618/9 20:17Wed Sep 18 20:17:19 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I'm not divorcing her anytime soon your lucks out

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Paulio18/9 19:08Wed Sep 18 19:08:29 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I’d take a couple years of Glen Tampon. Mix things up a bit.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Rotterdamboro18/9 18:19Wed Sep 18 18:19:52 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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You didn't answer my question

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Re: You reap what you sow

By East Coast Boro18/9 18:13Wed Sep 18 18:13:19 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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typo indeed But still plenty of games to turn it round providing the team gets support

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Sev18/9 17:46Wed Sep 18 17:46:55 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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37 games, 111 points is correct though. So must be a typo.

We have come to expect great things at Boro and what would be more incredible than after this unbelievably bad start, we did something notable.

Once we win a game, and coincide with players returning we will be unstoppable.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Thora18/9 17:32Wed Sep 18 17:32:36 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I like you.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Thora18/9 08:04Wed Sep 18 08:04:52 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Wouldn't have worded quite like that but he's right you know.

How long does "Oh, but you wouldn't have a club without him blah blah" last?

Fantastic businessman but jesus wept has he run out of ideas on how to run a football club.

There's only so long you can blame the manager(s) when it's the same time and time again.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Stevie Wonder (Geoff Wode)18/9 08:48Wed Sep 18 08:48:42 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Yes, but, shiny new stand.

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By Ratman4618/9 08:49Wed Sep 18 08:49:21 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Does look good tho

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By Thora18/9 08:55Wed Sep 18 08:55:42 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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At the risk of being a negative Ned and Len jumping all over me again, does it?

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Ratman4618/9 09:01Wed Sep 18 09:01:57 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I think it does, finishes off the ground, what don't you like about it?

Needs some lights outside mind, very dark at night.

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By Thora18/9 09:19Wed Sep 18 09:19:21 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Just looks a bit soulless. Maybe once the advertising boards etc go in it'll brighten it up a bit.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Puds (Chuds)18/9 12:09Wed Sep 18 12:09:46 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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It has a sandpit FFS! I am going to make a massive castle at the Cambridge game.

What more do you want?

Edited by Chuds at 12:10:15 on 18th September 2019

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By East Coast Boro18/9 15:28Wed Sep 18 15:28:36 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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"It has a sandpit"

Somewhere for Rotterdamboro and the Wallace haters to throw their toys/keyboards around in!

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By Ratman4618/9 15:50Wed Sep 18 15:50:22 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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And season tickets

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Ken Jude18/9 17:33Wed Sep 18 17:33:31 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Tradition says they go elsewhere!

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Paulio18/9 18:48Wed Sep 18 18:48:45 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Dunno what you’re talking about.

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By Ratman4618/9 09:45Wed Sep 18 09:45:58 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Add some North Stand fans

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By Stevie Wonder (Geoff Wode)18/9 08:51Wed Sep 18 08:51:47 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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It does. It won’t half look shabby when all those North Terrace tramps and £99 tight arses are allowed in there.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Freemo18/9 08:32Wed Sep 18 08:32:09 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Four successive managers with zero minutes experience managing League clubs, three of whom have been sacked from previous or subsequent roles for misconduct, starts to look like a pattern.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Thora18/9 08:33Wed Sep 18 08:33:44 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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He's made two good managerial decisions in his whole time here and one of those was on a plate for him.

It's a definite pattern.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Handyandy118/9 00:25Wed Sep 18 00:25:35 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Oh give it a rest. I'm sick of hearing your whinging.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Copeysaurus17/9 23:49Tue Sep 17 23:49:06 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Chill out fella

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Cruffers17/9 23:11Tue Sep 17 23:11:44 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Stop talking horse shit.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Rotterdamboro17/9 23:46Tue Sep 17 23:46:23 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Horse shit? I don’t think so pal. That’s why you and other cockwombles on here can’t bare to be told it. Because you know it’s right. You just don’t want to see it.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Roland Rimbs (BD)18/9 08:33Wed Sep 18 08:33:34 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Whoosh.

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By Cruffers18/9 08:14Wed Sep 18 08:14:37 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Hey kids, I’m a cockwomble!

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Stevie Wonder (Geoff Wode)18/9 08:49Wed Sep 18 08:49:36 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Great Uncle Bulgaria?

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By Thora18/9 08:56Wed Sep 18 08:56:03 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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*Ballgaria

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By Cruffers18/9 08:50Wed Sep 18 08:50:43 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I loved him!

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Richie Rich C17/9 22:40Tue Sep 17 22:40:26 2019In response to You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Why is it Wallace fault? Withought him you probably don’t have a club, unless you got 400 bags of sand a season going spare ?

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Puds (Chuds)18/9 00:13Wed Sep 18 00:13:55 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Because he gave the go ahead to our FUCKING HIDEOUS BADGE, which we are yet to win whilst wearing.

We tried to tell them, but they went ahead anyway with the shit demented fucking cartoon deer.

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By East Coast Boro18/9 15:31Wed Sep 18 15:31:36 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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......don't forget the Tree Gods are angry too!

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By Rotterdamboro17/9 22:50Tue Sep 17 22:50:17 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Whose fault is it then chief? The Archbishop of fucking Canterbury? Benjamin Netanyahu? Dolly Parton? Who do you think gives the green light on transfers or the revolving door of coaches? The buck stops with him.

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By fatcakzsfc18/9 10:12Wed Sep 18 10:12:36 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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"You're always going on about Benjamin Netanyahu, ya never going to meet him"

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By Richie Rich C17/9 22:54Tue Sep 17 22:54:37 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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I think it’s yours

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Paulio17/9 22:43Tue Sep 17 22:43:49 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Without Jimmy Savile we wouldn’t have had top of the pops.

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By Stevie Wonder (Geoff Wode)17/9 23:10Tue Sep 17 23:10:30 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Yeah, but without Top of the Pops we wouldn’t have had Michael Jackson.

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By Deltic 2118/9 00:10Wed Sep 18 00:10:54 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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Or Pan’s People.

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Re: You reap what you sow

By Bork17/9 23:06Tue Sep 17 23:06:14 2019In response to Re: You reap what you sowTop of thread

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A fair point that.

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