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League 2 N/S

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)17/5 12:45Sun May 17 12:45:57 2020

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discussions gathering pace for merger of league 2 and NL to create L2 N/S

Pros
More regional games
More derbies
Reduced travel times and costs
Fans Likely to travel to more away games

Cons
Only 2 up 2 down from each division?
Bigger disparity in budgets top and bottom
For example Plymouth and ebsfleet
Same clubs will be at top of leagues most years with odd exceptions
Potential bigger winning margins between top/bottom making it less competitive
League May become stale after novelty wears off

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)17/5 16:31Sun May 17 16:31:44 2020In response to League 2 N/STop of thread

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Ive just seen one proposal to split the NL into 3 divisions N/S and Central. Not sure how many promotion places that would be, if it’s only winners promoted, we know leagues will be dead after Christmas so maybe just 1 promotion place each division via a playoff ?

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By Bankerbob17/5 17:43Sun May 17 17:43:51 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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That's SOOOO Beazer Homes!

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By SFC Jonny (SFC Jonny)17/5 16:21Sun May 17 16:21:10 2020In response to League 2 N/STop of thread

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I've only thought about this for about 30 seconds, but I'm not entirely against it.

It sounds more sustainable, and we might actually do alright out of it. More local fixtures would be a good thing.

Although any review of the pyramid should be alongside a review of football finances, to even the field and get more money into the lower leagues.

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By Puds (Chuds)17/5 18:45Sun May 17 18:45:19 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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All those local fixtures that fans will flock to away at Exeter, Torquay, Yeovil, Eastleigh, Dover, Newport, Forest Green, Cheltenham and Crawley, not to mention the eight games where we would need to trek around the M25.

Glad we will save all those games we need to spend money on travel and accommodation and that our away end will be sold out every game.

We will all be do much richer after this.

Buzzing.

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Re: League 2 N/S

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)17/5 19:19Sun May 17 19:19:56 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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It’s total nonsense, none of this making sense.
Teams are at the level they are for a reason.

If L1 and L2 merge we would be in relegation trouble every year with Cambridge, orient and Crawley guaranteed to yo-yo with Barnet and Yeovil coming up the other way.
It would take an exceptional squad to compete with budget of the big teams.

If L2 and NL merge we would probably be half way most seasons with playoff challenges not out of the question with a capable squad.
Again the NL teams would not be able to compete with the big boys of the division.

All this might stretch smaller clubs budgets too far to compete in a restructure in either scenario. Any restructure should be to protect clubs so they do not financially over commit and fold.

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By Themessiah17/5 19:27Sun May 17 19:27:27 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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According to the papers its the only way we will survive

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Re: League 2 N/S

By Puds (Chuds)17/5 20:28Sun May 17 20:28:24 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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The papers are chatting bullshit as it will make hardly any difference financially, because the reasons given for it being a huge positive would make very little difference in reality if anybody actually considers it.

There are two ways to save clubs. One is big handouts from the PL or FL. This is unsustainable. The other is a reduction in player salaries. This is what has to happen and the only way football can be sustainable.

Edited by Chuds at 20:29:31 on 17th May 2020

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By Themessiah17/5 21:19Sun May 17 21:19:24 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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We will see what happens over the next few days

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)17/5 16:32Sun May 17 16:32:36 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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Why would anyone put more money into the lower leagues?

And why should they?

It'd only get eaten up by inflated wage demands, which is why the Championship is fucked financially and averaging about £140 in player wages alone for every £100 in income.

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Re: League 2 N/S

By jayess17/5 14:38Sun May 17 14:38:04 2020In response to League 2 N/STop of thread

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The biggest 'con' is that the smaller slices of the EFL moneycake would have to be divided in two. Who is going to vote for that?
Fans of the current League Two clubs would also (correctly) view this as a kind of relegation. I suspect sponsors would, too.
Arguably, it would also increase the budget disparity of teams promoted to League One.

Most of all though, it is just a really crap idea.

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)17/5 14:43Sun May 17 14:43:38 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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L1 clubs would vote for it as it would mean a bigger step up for clubs from below, and more likelihood they (promoted clubs) might drop back down again. Thus reducing their relegation risks. The bigger the step up the more attractive it becomes to those already on the higher step.

National League clubs would vote for it as it puts them in the promised land of the EFL.

Lower/small L2 clubs might see the reduction to one relegation spot per league as attractive. Less chance of relegation.

Upper/big L2 clubs might see the increase in 'Conference' clubs as a weakening of the league, this improving their chances of promotion.

I don't like it. I don't like change for change sake, but playing devil's advocate, there are potential upsides.

Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 14:47:55 on 17th May 2020

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By jayess17/5 14:48Sun May 17 14:48:11 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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National League clubs wouldn't get a vote...at least not a meaningful one.
The majority of League Two clubs would need to be in favour for any realistic chance of this happening.
The Premier League/EFL money says most would not be.

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Re: League 2 N/S

By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)17/5 14:49Sun May 17 14:49:10 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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Agreed. Just playing devil's advocate.

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By jayess17/5 14:54Sun May 17 14:54:49 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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Haven't you got anything better to do on a Sunday afternoon than worrying the life out of me?

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)17/5 14:51Sun May 17 14:51:46 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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Good song.

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By Puds (Chuds)17/5 13:43Sun May 17 13:43:34 2020In response to League 2 N/STop of thread

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I have visited this a number of times now, half of those pros are fallacies.

The whole thing is rubbish.

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)17/5 14:47Sun May 17 14:47:41 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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Yep hasn’t taken too much effort to think this is not the right decision.

It’s the NL which should probably benefit from restructure not L2.

I suggest 4 down from L2
With
2 levels of National League regionalised N/S with 2 up from each of the top tiers into L2.

That way they can mostly stay part time and reduce costs.
After all they supposed to be semi professional at that level.

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By jayess17/5 14:56Sun May 17 14:56:26 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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Here turkeys...Christmas is coming!

You think the EFL will ever vote for 4 down?

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)17/5 15:02Sun May 17 15:02:54 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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Well I was being generous haha
If you did 3 then
2 Champions plus playoff winners between N and S

If you only did the 2 champions what is there to play for after Christmas

But my thinking behind 4 down is that it would be far easy To return to L2 as we would just need to be top 7 southern team in NL for a chance of promotion

Edited by HT-FT at 15:17:33 on 17th May 2020

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By Bankerbob17/5 13:15Sun May 17 13:15:41 2020In response to League 2 N/STop of thread

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I was brought up watching Newport in the old Division 3 South, then they amalgamated N/S to form the old Division 4 which of course was the forerunner of our present L2. I've not done the geography, but IF National League were to join together with L2 and split N/S again, I wonder how close Stevenage would be to being the southern outpost of the Northern Division?

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)18/5 09:20Mon May 18 09:20:00 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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What promotion places were there from 3N/S during this era?
And there was no relegation? Or it was a vote for the pals club.

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By Puds (Chuds)17/5 13:49Sun May 17 13:49:02 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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When I compiled who would be in North and South a couple of months ago, there were three or four sides slightly more northern than us after things had been split.

Cambridge and Northampton would be the main two affected and then we have very similar latitude to both Cheltenham and Colchester.

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By Themessiah17/5 14:09Sun May 17 14:09:23 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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It could work out but i dont think it would be accepted by everyone

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)17/5 13:21Sun May 17 13:21:19 2020In response to Re: League 2 N/STop of thread

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Cambridge and Northampton would probably be the teams floating between North and South.

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