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By Sev21/5 13:49Thu May 21 13:49:01 2020

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Unless Macclesfield get more points reductions looks like EFL will be sending us down if they get their way.

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2

Point 5

5. The principle of relegation across all three divisions is integral to the integrity of the pyramid, from the Premier League down to the National League, provided we have assurances that the National League will start season 2020/21 (i.e. the relegated Club in League Two has somewhere to play).


Edit: obviously clubs still have to vote on this, but the proposal they are putting forward is that relegation remains, despite clubs previously voting against it.

Dont know how many have to vote for this framework for it to be adopted and how many from each league etc.

Edited by Sev at 13:57:37 on 21st May 2020

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By jayess21/5 21:56Thu May 21 21:56:26 2020In response to Latest from EFLTop of thread

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The key to this is still the Premier League. If they end up relegating three clubs, then we will end up in the National League (barring Macclesfieldgate).
But will the PL really be able to finish the season? Without only using neutral grounds? And if they can't, will they relegate anyone?
The EFL has to make the stand its making for now, otherwise the PL will simply point out that the EFL scrapped relegation first.
And if we are looking for moral high ground here, surely the National League has already ruled out relegation to the feeder leagues below.

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By Bragbury10622/5 16:14Fri May 22 16:14:10 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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4pm and still no sign of the deal going through,if they dont get there vote they want it will be more
meetings next week, but time is running out for the E.F.L, if there is still no agreement there is only one outcome.
a no vote of confidence against the E.F.L- since day one English football has been a farce.

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By Ratman4622/5 17:46Fri May 22 17:46:25 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Since day 1 the PL has been a farce, they are the true Masters of the EFL.

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By Bankerbob22/5 12:11Fri May 22 12:11:54 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Exactly my point.

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By Hitchin Callling22/5 06:48Fri May 22 06:48:09 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I was thinking the same on the final point.EFL want to retain relegation to maintain *integrity.If there is no relegation right at bottom of the pyramid, NLS/N this surely goes out of the window.

* This is a laugh as apparently it may be ok to play for last promotion places but they want to relegate teams without giving them the same chance

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By RussD8122/5 09:00Fri May 22 09:00:38 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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The more this comes out the harder the EFL, FA, National League seem to want to make it. When in reality the best result is almost the simplest. So use the vote to agree to curtain-tail the season and PPG to finish the with a result with promotion and relegation in tact keeping what integrity is left but as no more games can be played the the season is "Finished" the playoffs do not take place leaving automatic promotion and relegation in play only.

So that would mean,

Northern League - Barrow Promoted
League 2 - None relegated, Crewe, Swindon & Plymouth Promoted
League 1 - Coventry & Rotherham Promoted, Southend & Bolton relegated. Bury obviously already gone
Championship\Prem can then use the endless pots of Money to sort out in July with only 2 relegated to League 1

No-one can argue that Bolton\Southend would have a realistic chance of survival, Barrow get the place in the league, season is stopped so play offs cant take place, so the legal arguments start to go out the window. No one is punished without the chance to save themselves, ie us, Tranmere, Macclesfield etc all clubs then know where they stand now and can plan for next year and financially save themselves\budget.

Granted Exeter, Oxford, Portsmouth, Fleetwood may feel hard done by but no more heartbreaking than lossing a play off final or missing out on the final day which would happen to some of them anyway.

Edited by RussD81 at 09:02:20 on 22nd May 2020
Edited by RussD81 at 09:03:06 on 22nd May 2020

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By Rob SBFC (Big Robbie (SBFC))22/5 09:51Fri May 22 09:51:57 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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It’s a great idea! It’s quite similar to a solution to a problem I came up with in my house at breakfast time today.

My 4 year old kid wanted the last of the strawberry jam, but I wanted it so I had it.

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By Bankerbob22/5 12:14Fri May 22 12:14:43 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I hope you gave him sixpence to go out and buy another jar...

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By jayess22/5 09:25Fri May 22 09:25:09 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Logical and full of common sense. It is impossible to please all of the people all of the time in this situation, but this is the least worst option by some distance. Have you got Parry's email address?

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By Hitchin Callling22/5 09:38Fri May 22 09:38:04 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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That would be a good idea.
Seriously though I am sure PW/club are thinking about this but I hope somewne there eg CEO etc are monitoring this to gauge our views.

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)22/5 10:04Fri May 22 10:04:42 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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If there any delay tactics that could be played we need to play them.
Macclesfield will not survive their court hearing I’m sure if it.
I think it’s what the league are hoping for so they don’t look the bad guys again.

They could quite easily expel them from the league for the malpractice this year or for not being able to show they can afford to play next season just as Bury.

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By Hitchin Callling22/5 09:16Fri May 22 09:16:55 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Seems good idea to me.Apparently clubs have been invited to submit comments to EFL by next Thurs.Hopefully this sort of common sense approach will come out.But I doubt they will listen.

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By Boromatt21/5 18:20Thu May 21 18:20:36 2020In response to Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Absolutely scandalous. 10 games left and a game in hand, not to mention only being 3 points behind. All I’ll say is, I expect Macclesfield to be deducted further, so I don’t think it’s all confirmed just yet etc. I’m keeping hope until all is confirmed. It will be very sad if we do go down. Fingers crossed.

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By Rob SBFC (Big Robbie (SBFC))21/5 17:19Thu May 21 17:19:36 2020In response to Latest from EFLTop of thread

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/www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/21/efl-board-calls-for-relegation-after-league-two-attempt-to-block-drop-promotion-play-offs

The pic in the grauniad notes PW’s attempt at a PR job escape route

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By Gitts n Grattz22/5 12:07Fri May 22 12:07:45 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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You have to admire the new badge though 🤓

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By Ratman4622/5 14:09Fri May 22 14:09:38 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Better than our current one.

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By Themessiah21/5 17:38Thu May 21 17:38:47 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Yep it is

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)21/5 15:15Thu May 21 15:15:29 2020In response to Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Has anyone got confirmation Macclesfield are due another penalty or is this just hope

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By Themessiah21/5 16:30Thu May 21 16:30:58 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Yes i heard a few reports that they didnt pay their players in time for march so are facing a fine and points deduction, they are also back in court in june and quite a few of their fans think they will be liquidated

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)21/5 16:36Thu May 21 16:36:41 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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They have been in front of the judges several times already. It’s hard to see this time how they will explain a way to clear their debts under the current climate. Any other business would have been liquidated long time ago.

Let’s hope Harry Redknapp or AN Other doesn’t step in and buy them for a £1.

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By Hitchin Callling21/5 16:38Thu May 21 16:38:42 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Yeah for the March one will they not get away with it paying the Covid card.

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By Bragbury10621/5 15:23Thu May 21 15:23:54 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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1 would say that the supporters of clubs should ask for a vote of confidence in the EFL board
as for the last 3 months have been a shambles, to think they run our national sport is beyond words.

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)21/5 14:16Thu May 21 14:16:12 2020In response to Latest from EFLTop of thread

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provided we have assurances that the National League will start season 2020/21 (i.e. the relegated Club in League Two has somewhere to play).

This bit will save us.

Given we need a firm decision in weeks and the National League can ONLY restart with fans at matches, there is zero chance that the National League can give an assurance that matches will start in August.

This will be our get out jail card. This line has been included in the statement for a reason.

I'd put money on no relegation.

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By Jonnym822/5 12:17Fri May 22 12:17:24 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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As it stands, there is also little possibility of league two football next season. Let alone NL.

FWIW I reckon there will be fans back in ground by September / October (NL and L1/L2)

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)22/5 13:02Fri May 22 13:02:37 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I'd guess similar, maybe as late as December, so maybe a 'half' season where we only play each team once to give some flexibility over the season.

Plus 1-2 Cup competitions.

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By Jas7922/5 12:32Fri May 22 12:32:38 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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EFL could resume behind closed doors - albeit with clubs around 50% down in income. All EFL clubs get solidarity funding from TV money so IF clubs can actually balance their books it can continue. Those that cant or wont probably wont survive anyway, particularly those who are already well over budget, in significant debt and have players contracted for next season and beyond on stupid money (unless Prem gives into pressure for yet another bail out - I suspect they will).

NL has no chance of starting behind closed doors. No payments other than £85k or so from the BT tv deal.

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By Hitchin Callling22/5 13:17Fri May 22 13:17:29 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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If that's the point cannot be relegated ?
EFL statement said relegated clubs needs a guarantee of having somewhere to play.
Assuming NL can only start if they agree it's behind closed doors this seems then they either cannot or delay this.
The fact we may at some point be able to start in a lower surely cannot be counted.
Another possible point for De Marco to consider..

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By Jas7922/5 14:42Fri May 22 14:42:13 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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It remains our get out of jail card. Cant help feeling last nail is in tho.

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By Bankerbob21/5 17:56Thu May 21 17:56:16 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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And the FA have already sanctioned no relegation from National N/S, so EFL can hardly insist on Promotion / relegation right down to the National Leagues, can they?

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By Hitchin Callling21/5 14:36Thu May 21 14:36:38 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Jus read statement again. Sorry I need helping out here

But do all three divisions have seperate votes for their league only and straight majority needed.If so Championship want to and likely to play , If so does not the whole EFL proposal then fall all down ? Surely we cannot have a situation where clubs in championship all have a full chance to earn promotion or relegation but others do not.

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)21/5 14:38Thu May 21 14:38:57 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I think they need 51% of the 71 clubs, so theoretically L2 could vote against but as long as L1 and Championship vote for it'd pass?

But the 51% is in respect of curtailing the season not relegation? Does that mean the board will determine whether to apply relegation?

I need to read it again to be sure.

Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 14:41:21 on 21st May 2020

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By Hitchin Callling21/5 18:20Thu May 21 18:20:11 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Just seen a comment from Oliver Bayliss.Non League reporter on BBC Luton sorry 3CR .He is usually quite clued up though.
Says EFL vote rules are 51% of all clubs but importantly at least 51% of Championship clubs have to vote in favour.

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By BasingstokeBoro21/5 20:17Thu May 21 20:17:02 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Is that a good thing or a bad thing for us then?

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By Puds (Chuds)21/5 18:28Thu May 21 18:28:51 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Yeah, those requirements were revealed at the start of the week.

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By Hitchin Callling21/5 14:42Thu May 21 14:42:25 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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If so may not go through as Champioship clubs are desperate to be able to play.

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By Ogs (Geoff Wode)21/5 14:29Thu May 21 14:29:10 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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You had a wager with me that Luther would be comfortably playing at a higher level than League 2 at some point in the future ;-)

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)21/5 14:37Thu May 21 14:37:02 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I've got 10 years before I have to pay that... He might make it...

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By Hitchin Callling21/5 14:23Thu May 21 14:23:56 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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The will just say yes we can start and EFL will accept it regardless of date. Bu what though if then they cannot and the EFL season has already restarted, what then happens to us.Bet PW is having a chat with De Marco as we speak.

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By Roulette Len21/5 14:22Thu May 21 14:22:50 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Wish I had your faith.

Hope you're right.

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By Freemo21/5 14:20Thu May 21 14:20:01 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I had similar thoughts. Assume the National League needing fans is because they don't have income otherwise?

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By SFCfox21/5 14:12Thu May 21 14:12:21 2020In response to Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Since when has 2nd place in the Conference guaranteed promotion? Their league has finished, Barrow can take Bury's place. Harrogate can fuck off

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By Rob SBFC (Big Robbie (SBFC))21/5 16:09Thu May 21 16:09:01 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I think I read that the principle of 2 up from National League doesn’t need play-offs to decide the 2nd team

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By Hitchin Callling21/5 14:16Thu May 21 14:16:19 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Conference will try to have a mini play off tournament if they goes through.But will they allow bottom clubs to try to avoid relegation.
Null and void is only fair way.

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)21/5 14:15Thu May 21 14:15:35 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I’m also not sure Macclesfield will able to provide accounts showing how they are going to get through the following season considering they couldn’t pay players on time this season 5 times.

That should be a red flag for the EFL anyway and send them packing like Bury.

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By Mercury 8821/5 14:17Thu May 21 14:17:48 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Nahhhhhhh no chance will the football league kick another league team out. They bottled it when it came to Bolton all mainly because Bolton are ex premier league. The football league are a bunch of wankers enough said.

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)21/5 14:06Thu May 21 14:06:47 2020In response to Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Now suggesting unweighted PPG across the divisions
Which means if Macclesfield have another penalty as being discussed elsewhere then we will finish above them.

So crack on and hurry up finalising the table ffs.

What was the point of league 2 and league 1 holding their own meetings
Piss up and brewery

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By Paulio21/5 14:09Thu May 21 14:09:53 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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If it’s ppg then Shirley Macclesfield have a better ppg than us?

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)21/5 14:11Thu May 21 14:11:52 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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If they have another penalty and also apply the suspended penalty then we will finish above them on unweighted PPG

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By Puds (Chuds)21/5 14:40Thu May 21 14:40:50 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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They would need another six points to be deducted.

Not happening.

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)21/5 14:42Thu May 21 14:42:48 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Not sure they'd satisfy the National League financial criteria for entry into the NL?

What would then happen, they'd have to apply to the next tier (below NL N or S)?

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By Themessiah21/5 14:08Thu May 21 14:08:03 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Fucking waste of time

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By Hitchin Callling21/5 14:13Thu May 21 14:13:21 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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How they accept season cannot be finished but the say it's hoped their will be play offs. If it's ok for clubs to be given the right to earn promotion surely the same applies to avoiding relegation.Hence null and void is the most fair way.

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)21/5 14:17Thu May 21 14:17:59 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Exactly this. If teams are able to play playoffs then teams surely have the right to play league fixtures to complete the season.

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By BasingstokeBoro21/5 16:01Thu May 21 16:01:53 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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This is such a kick in the balls. I just cant see the fairness in it for many clubs (including those in the play offs or near the top).

We have been shit, I accept that but I can't accept relegation when we are 3pts behind with a game in hand. Looking at our remaining fixtures we have to play:

23rd, 22nd, 21st, 20th, 19th, 18th, 15th, 14th.

Either play out the season or null and void it. I hope the parachute payment is worth it!

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By Ratman4621/5 17:51Thu May 21 17:51:23 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Playoff for relegation, 2 bottom clubs over 2 legs, Home and Away. Winner takes all.

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By Thora21/5 18:40Thu May 21 18:40:17 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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One step ahead of you, Ratty...

https://twitter.com/HollisMark/status/1263479212498919427?s=19

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By Ratman4621/5 20:27Thu May 21 20:27:21 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Missed that as am avoiding Twatter at the mo.

Agree with the post 👍

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)21/5 20:36Thu May 21 20:36:33 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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You should come back to Twitter. Baldock has said he now agrees with everything Boris is doing.

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By Sev21/5 21:26Thu May 21 21:26:59 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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I've muted almost everyone. I only see yours and the world bollard association's tweets these days.

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By Themessiah21/5 18:03Thu May 21 18:03:26 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Doubt they will do that mate

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)21/5 19:13Thu May 21 19:13:38 2020In response to Re: Latest from EFLTop of thread

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Ya think?

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