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8th June - D-Day

By BuccyPrague29/5 11:05Fri May 29 11:05:52 2020

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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11996667/efl-league-one-and-league-two-proposal-set-for-june-8-vote

EFL sticking to proposal which would see positions decided by unweighted points-per-game, including promotion and relegation

Edited by BuccyPrague at 11:09:09 on 29th May 2020

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By BuccyPrague9/6 13:37Tue Jun 9 13:37:08 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Oh dear

The majority of the 71 Football League sides have voted in favour of proposals to change the EFL regulations, should curtailment of the 2019/20 season be required.

In a meeting on Tuesday, clubs came to the agreement that the respective league seasons will be decided through the following means, if the campaigns have to be cut short:

1. Final divisional placings will be determined on unweighted points per game (if required).
2. Promotion and relegation should be retained.
3. Play-Offs will be played in all circumstances but will not be extended (beyond four teams).


https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11688/12003324/majority-of-efl-championship-league-one-and-league-two-clubs-vote-in-favour-of-curtailment-proposals

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By Sev9/6 13:48Tue Jun 9 13:48:52 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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The wording there...
Points 1 and 3 say WILL

Point 2 says SHOULD not WILL

Just wondered why?

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Pete (PeteH)9/6 13:52Tue Jun 9 13:52:09 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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...because the EFL would prefer that someone else makes the decision for them.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day BBC SPORT UPDATE

By Hitchin Callling8/6 18:21Mon Jun 8 18:21:28 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52971628

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Re: 8th June - D-Day BBC SPORT UPDATE

By Themessiah8/6 19:32Mon Jun 8 19:32:19 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-Day BBC SPORT UPDATETop of thread

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Thats us fucked then

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Roulette Len8/6 10:47Mon Jun 8 10:47:53 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Think we are down, I know we have been awful this season but the way we are being relegated really grinds my gears.

Very hard to take.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Freemo8/6 12:04Mon Jun 8 12:04:04 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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On the plus side, Sheffield United took a dodgy relegation, won an out-of-court settlement years later, wasted the money, and then ended up back in the Prem anyway after twelve years. So, patience.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By BuccyPrague8/6 10:54Mon Jun 8 10:54:25 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Even more so as most of our remaining games are against teams in the bottom half of the table. So, on paper our PPG could be better than it currently is if those games were played.

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By Hitchin Callling8/6 11:09Mon Jun 8 11:09:28 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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But remember this all be because " integrity matters".

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Themessiah8/6 11:31Mon Jun 8 11:31:14 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Well apparently tomorrow everything is being decided but who is getting relegated

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Hitchin Callling8/6 11:44Mon Jun 8 11:44:57 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Plus how can EFL satisfy themselves they will have a league to play in.Be intetesting what criteria they will use .NL will probably say we aim to start next season and they will just accept it.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Themessiah8/6 12:39Mon Jun 8 12:39:31 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Well the national league are saying they won't be able to start the new season without fans so if they havent got a definite date how can they say when it will start

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Hitchin Callling8/6 13:21Mon Jun 8 13:21:26 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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They will just say they will start asap and EFL will accept.
That's why I said we need EFL to publish the criteria.
This should include a guarantee season will start which obviously they will not be able to do.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day UPDATE

By Hitchin Callling4/6 09:05Thu Jun 4 09:05:32 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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apparently now put back to 9th.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day UPDATE

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)4/6 10:04Thu Jun 4 10:04:44 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-Day UPDATETop of thread

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Weather across the channel is poor this week need to wait for a break

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Re: 8th June - D-Day UPDATE

By Themessiah4/6 09:48Thu Jun 4 09:48:20 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-Day UPDATETop of thread

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It is mate efl want to give clubs 5 clear days to vote

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By the boy jones30/5 11:57Sat May 30 11:57:05 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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I've just listened to 'not the top 20' podcast from this week. They speak about PW quite a bit and the proposals. Worth a listen, made me feel slightly optimistic anyway

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)29/5 20:10Fri May 29 20:10:42 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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As each club is able to put forward suggestions to the FA, here would be my proposal to maintain as much integrity as possible for promotion and relegation.

Taking into account no teams are confirmed promoted or relegated, reducing relegation and promotion by 1 place provides the flexibility and integrity to nullify the unfairness in relegating a team that occupy the final relegation place where there is every possibility that may change if the season were to continue.

If the premier league resumes then 3 up 3 down to championship

If championship resumes 3 up 3 down to L1
If championship is curtailed then 2 down 2 up with L1

If L1 is curtailed 2 down 3 up with L2

If L2 is curtailed then 0 down to national, however 1 space still available for the national to decide on replacing bury.

In L2 for example we would be removing 1 automatic promotion place and the team that occupied the final playoff place.

Promoted
Crewe
Swindon

Playoffs
Plymouth (missed out on automatics)
Exeter
Cheltenham
Colchester

Missed out on playoffs
Northampton

Alternatively put Plymouth in the playoff final and let the other 4 compete to face them in The final.


Relegated
Bury


If clubs really feel that it would be unfair to relegate a team where they have every chance of staying up Will the majority vote in favour which will affect 2 other clubs as above. Plymouth, who will still have a chance at promotion, and Northampton who will miss out who only had a 25% chance of promotion anyway.

Edited by HT-FT at 20:13:19 on 29th May 2020

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Telboy31/5 18:59Sun May 31 18:59:43 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Scrap this season, no promotion or relegation and take the final points tally into the start of next season.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By RockyBottom30/5 22:37Sat May 30 22:37:55 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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I very much doubt Macclesfield will be in existence for next season.

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By Bragbury10630/5 23:13Sat May 30 23:13:45 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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if Macclesfield can dispose of there owner/shareholder Amar Alkadhi .

also delay another court hearing in june,. they will still be in the football league next season.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Themessiah30/5 23:40Sat May 30 23:40:41 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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There are rumours that on 8th june most efl clubs will vote against the efl's proposal of relegation from league 2

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Handyandy131/5 17:21Sun May 31 17:21:20 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Im getting so freakin bored of all this. Wake me up when we know for sure

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Hitchin Callling29/5 20:34Fri May 29 20:34:35 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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But the EFL say their current plan encompasses integrity already ?
Eventhough they have invited comments this is just probably to make it to look good.Doubt if they will listen to little clubs like us etc.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Bankerbob30/5 12:23Sat May 30 12:23:36 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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If the EFL are about integrity, remember they refused Macclesfield to play behind closed doors a while back as the club didn't have a safety certificate, as they stated that that would breach the integrity of the game, which was for two teams to play in front of spectators. In the EFL's eyes, therefore, there would be no integrity in playoffs behind closed doors. Make it up as you go along, EFL!

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Paulio31/5 06:36Sun May 31 06:36:38 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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“ as they stated that that would breach the integrity of the game, which was for two teams to play in front of spectators.”

Got a link for this?

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By RedandWhite31/5 07:43Sun May 31 07:43:20 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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This was on EFL website on 20/12/19

The club did request to play behind closed doors, however on consideration, as per the provisions in Regulation 33.1, the EFL did not agree to the request.

The core principles behind EFL competitions are that all its fixtures are to be played in front of spectators and playing behind closed doors significantly increases the risks of crowds congregating in the vicinity of the stadium.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Sev31/5 08:55Sun May 31 08:55:58 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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https://www.efl.com/news/2019/december/efl-statement-macclesfield-town2/

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Bankerbob31/5 16:23Sun May 31 16:23:24 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Thanks guys for finding and posting these links. I knew I'd definitely read it but couldn't remember where, and I couldn't believe it was as long ago as that!

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Hitchin Callling31/5 09:13Sun May 31 09:13:08 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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In these desperate times I have just email Tom Norman Club secretary this. Sure PW etc were already aware.But it may help.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Owen B29/5 20:33Fri May 29 20:33:31 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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I propose turning the league table upside down and winning promotion by a record margin.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)29/5 21:22Fri May 29 21:22:06 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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May be I’ll just save my breath for my blow up doll

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)29/5 14:44Fri May 29 14:44:16 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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D day was on 6th silly...

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Freemo29/5 12:05Fri May 29 12:05:11 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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If next season starts and a further wave of infections causes it to be abandoned, how many games is enough for PPG to kick in to decide the standings? One? Ten? Twenty?

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)29/5 12:31Fri May 29 12:31:21 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Exactly what Ive been saying for last 2 months.
Going to set a dangerous precedent and if they are going to implement it, it should be for all leagues thAt haven’t been completed, not stop at the NL North and south.

Not surprised they dismissed Tranmere proposal which they evidently conjured up in self interest.

Absolutely no integrity promoting or relegating teams in an incomplete season. Nothing has been decided In any league other than jersey bulls and 1 other club. It’s bollox,

Complete or void.
As we can’t complete, it should be void.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)29/5 14:13Fri May 29 14:13:37 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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If league 2 teams decide they can’t financially complete the season how can they afford to start the next season behind closed doors??
Same for national league and below.

I suspect we wont get any football at all below championship.
without assistance, clubs could be forced to release all staff and hibernate for 12 months until supporters can return.

Only other option is for the EFL/FA to financially support the wages and running costs of all clubs while BCD. This can be paid back over 5/10 years. Without financial assistance you will have a mix of clubs that can continue and those that can’t, so unless they get help the leagues will not be able to start.

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Themessiah29/5 11:32Fri May 29 11:32:09 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Efl are fucking useless

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By Hitchin Callling29/5 11:19Fri May 29 11:19:14 2020In response to 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Like the line about maintaining Integrity . Taking the P**s.
Given this shower they will probably will now ask all other clubs to chip to help hold the playoffs .

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By Bankerbob30/5 12:26Sat May 30 12:26:39 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Agree, just saw this after my post near the top. They don't know the meaning of the word integrity.

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By Hitchin Callling30/5 17:34Sat May 30 17:34:03 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Apaarently NL now confident they can allay any fears ensure any relegated team from Lg2 will have be able to play games in their league next season. How can the do this. ? Who decides what criteria it should be judged on. ? EFL will probably just accept whatever they say.
Also probable there will be plays off in NL to decide second promotion if EFL relegate 2 ie Bury and us.
So its ok for a league below us to be able to play games to decide promotion to a league above where the relegated team was not allowed to play to try to survive ?
Integrity for you.

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By Ratman4630/5 18:03Sat May 30 18:03:57 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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That's my only issue with it, one rule for promotion and a different one for relegation, if they want integrity then hold playoffs for relegation from League 2 over 2 legs with us and Macc.

Edited by Ratman46 at 18:04:24 on 30th May 2020

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By FootyIQ (HT-FT)30/5 18:06Sat May 30 18:06:21 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Winner gets relegated

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By Bragbury10630/5 18:13Sat May 30 18:13:12 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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the loser is bankrupt and will never be heard of again.

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By Bankerbob31/5 16:28Sun May 31 16:28:15 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Surely before the EFL do anything, they should ask clubs for a binding confirmation that they are able to trade next season, and undertake another fit and proper review on owners throughout the EFL....

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By Baldock (BALDOCKBORO)31/5 16:47Sun May 31 16:47:11 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Why would they bother, they'd have to invent a proper fit and proper test first.

They aren't competent enough to do that or apply it with any integrity.

The current one patently isn't worth the paper it's written on.

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By Bankerbob1/6 10:20Mon Jun 1 10:20:25 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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Sadly, I have to wholeheartedly agree...

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By jack custard. (Albert Tatlock)1/6 09:48Mon Jun 1 09:48:42 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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i have lost track.
is the macclesfield winding up petition hearing in advance of the 8th? or after?

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Re: 8th June - D-Day

By Themessiah1/6 23:24Mon Jun 1 23:24:32 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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After mate

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By Morecambe_Fan1/6 14:05Mon Jun 1 14:05:15 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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After , but it is always adjourned to another day !

They did pay the May wages on time so maybe the alarm bells are ringing at The Moss Rose.

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By Bragbury1061/6 14:16Mon Jun 1 14:16:44 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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the s/a at Macclesfield gave a loan to pay the wages for may.
hope they did not let Amar Alkadhi get his grubby hands on it.

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By Themessiah1/6 14:22Mon Jun 1 14:22:47 2020In response to Re: 8th June - D-DayTop of thread

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They won't ever see that again

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