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B Teams in the EFL

By bcb19947/10 23:21Wed Oct 7 23:21:30 2020

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I’ve been saying this for 5 years it’s going to happen and now Man City are the latest club to be calling for the implementation of B teams.

Attending the EFL trophy is a slippery slope towards B teams in the football league. #BTeamBoycott

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/07/crisis-may-lead-to-premier-league-b-teams-in-efl-says-citys-soriano

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By SFC Jonny (SFC Jonny)8/10 12:02Thu Oct 8 12:02:35 2020In response to B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Absolutely 100% against this. Big clubs will hoover up the talent throughout the pyramid and the "real" football league clubs will be left with the scraps. There's zero incentive for a club like ours to even have an academy system if the brightest and best are going to end up playing for Arsenal B or whatever. The loan market would also probably grind to a halt.

Watching mega clubs powered by questionable money is bad enough in the premier league, that sort of influence would not help the EFL at all.

If it's a question of young players getting time to play competitive football, they should do what they've always done, send them out on loan, play them in the cup, give them sub appearances in the league etc.

Imagine being in a play off final against Arsenal B, or being in a relegation scrap against West Ham B? It's meaningless to those clubs, but for our players and staff it's their livelihoods at stake.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Ratman468/10 12:23Thu Oct 8 12:23:52 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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We'd be relegated as West Ham B won't be allowed to.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)8/10 13:03Thu Oct 8 13:03:26 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Let’s say B teams are created.
What are the entry criteria to establish a team ?

Surely not every PL club can create a B team?
What about Fulham Watford Norwich, yo yo teams.
Surely there has to be a satisfactory entry such as PL club for 20 seasons without relegation, or Those that consistently finish top 10 or European places?

You can’t have a club like Luton who fell from the top flight to non league and back up and have them create a B team because they got promoted to the PL for 1 season.

What if a big team drops a couple of divisions? What then for the B team? Vacate a space in the pyramid?

It’s all a load of nonsense

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Hitchin Callling8/10 13:21Thu Oct 8 13:21:55 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Your final sentence definitely sums it up.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)8/10 13:08Thu Oct 8 13:08:02 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I would be more in favour of having a bigger division of 26 or 28 teams so that clubs s get extra match day revenue. It might be spent on wages but an extra 100k to 500k would help a lot of smaller clubs

Edited by HT-FT at 13:08:56 on 8th October 2020

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Tucks8/10 16:50Thu Oct 8 16:50:32 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Extra match days equals extra expenses.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Sev8/10 13:24Thu Oct 8 13:24:53 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Trouble with that is we already have fixture congestion.

Playing devils advocate, if some teams were B teams I dont think they have home grounds so would their home games be played away, giving the normal teams more home game revenue.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)8/10 13:40Thu Oct 8 13:40:37 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I’m not suggesting make way for B teams, we should push teams up from national league, extra 4 or 8 places into the EFL leagues 1 and 2.

Ditch the tinpot cup, plenty of space for extra league games.

Smaller clubs get very little respect from PL, how many times do they field weakened teams in the cups and field youth players In friendlies.
They don’t care for the pyramid at all.

Edited by HT-FT at 13:41:10 on 8th October 2020
Edited by HT-FT at 13:41:46 on 8th October 2020

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Rob SBFC (Big Robbie (SBFC))8/10 10:56Thu Oct 8 10:56:25 2020In response to B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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B teams might be needed to make up the numbers if shedloads of traditionally lower league clubs go pop

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Hitchin Callling8/10 11:17Thu Oct 8 11:17:53 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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If so might be time then to go and watch non league.Rather that then end up with teams normally of overpaid foreigners.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Chuds8/10 13:54Thu Oct 8 13:54:10 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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As opposed to overpaid natives that you currently pay to watch.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Hitchin Callling8/10 13:58Thu Oct 8 13:58:16 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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No.In our league wages are normally that high, in fact salary cap applies from this season but not in premership.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By AndyC8/10 18:22Thu Oct 8 18:22:47 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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They're still overpaid, as they are paid more than the club's can earn from employing them, which is why so many clubs are losing money or having to be bankrolled (even before covid)

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Owen B8/10 14:06Thu Oct 8 14:06:34 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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*Premier League.

Sorry to be pedantic, but it was really annoying me.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Sev8/10 19:35Thu Oct 8 19:35:08 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Pop quiz: what year did it stop being the Premeirship and became the Premier League?

It'll always be the GM Vauxhall Conference.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Chet Manley (Paulio)8/10 20:07Thu Oct 8 20:07:15 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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2001

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Sev8/10 20:15Thu Oct 8 20:15:30 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Check out the big brain on Brett, you're a smart mother fucker, that's right.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)8/10 09:08Thu Oct 8 09:08:27 2020In response to B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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One income alternative would be to increase number of teams from 24 to 26 in league 1 and 2

That would provide 2 extra match day income
Average of 2500 x £20 = 50k per match

Could help clubs, though they will probably spend the extra on another 2 players

Easily fit into the calendar remove the tinpot trophy job done

If premier teams want their players to get experience then loan them out stop selling them to Germany and buying them back when they have polished them up

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By FootyIQ (HT-FT)8/10 09:33Thu Oct 8 09:33:05 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Also
When was the last time a premier league team arranged and sent a strong team to a pre season friendly in the UK?
Too busy marketing themselves Abroad to care about clubs further down the pyramid.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)8/10 07:34Thu Oct 8 07:34:16 2020In response to B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Not going to click on a Guardian link, but wouldn't the teams just get promoted and eventually end up in the Premiership?

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Chet Manley (Paulio)8/10 09:04Thu Oct 8 09:04:08 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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No promotion or regulation for them I think

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Chuds7/10 23:58Wed Oct 7 23:58:20 2020In response to B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I don't get what the problem would be with it?

Don't we all want to see us playing Arsenal and Spurs and Chelsea in a full stadium?

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)8/10 15:11Thu Oct 8 15:11:34 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Not biting.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Tucks7/10 23:36Wed Oct 7 23:36:25 2020In response to B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Nostradamus legend.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)7/10 23:33Wed Oct 7 23:33:25 2020In response to B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I fell out with Mr Wallace over this last time it was discussed and we voted to let them into the Trophy.

Got a couple of strongly worded emails when I accused him of selling out for short-term gain.

The PL won't give us a bailout without some strings.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Hitchin Callling8/10 07:33Thu Oct 8 07:33:35 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Think you pointed this out on numerous times in past and is a nightmare they have been just waiting for.
Also I assume the proposal would be for a club to become a feeder club for a premership clubs.
Obvious first issues I can think of-
Who decides what clubs they in effect take over.
What if say all Premership clubs do want to be involved.
What if a EFL club does not want too either
What about clubs who are not "taken over".
Sees you may end up with a minority of EFL clubs acting as feeders.Which leaves all others out in the cold.
What about the legalities.Another field day for lawyers.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By AndyC8/10 07:53Thu Oct 8 07:53:57 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I don't think they'd want to take over other clubs, they'd be their own b teams like in Spain

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Hitchin Callling8/10 08:07Thu Oct 8 08:07:00 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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In Spain though they are atleast based in provincial towns and have a different names.
If in this we would then have up to 18 premership B teams all based where they come from.
Do they start in league 2,if so what then about existing clubs there also what about the NL pyramid .
This seems just part of masterplan to eventually have a premership league 1 & 2 and no feeder leagues below this.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By AndyC8/10 09:27Thu Oct 8 09:27:37 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Most are just 'Team Name B':

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Segunda_División_B

And most seem to be based in the original city or nearby, probably by the club's training grounds. Arsenal B would play at London Colney for example, but wouldn't take over existing London Colney or St Albans clubs.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Chet Manley (Paulio)8/10 09:29Thu Oct 8 09:29:04 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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If they played at London Conley do you think it would have detrimental effect on LC’s attendance.

Edited by Paulio at 09:29:19 on 8th October 2020

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By AndyC8/10 09:30Thu Oct 8 09:30:53 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Don't know, probably most London Colney attendees go because they like that level of football and the club, rather than the quality of football or players on offer.

Do Spurs reserve games being played at Boro affect Stevenage attendances?

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By Chet Manley (Paulio)8/10 09:47Thu Oct 8 09:47:25 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I don’t think they play regular enough to affect our attendances. If they were in the same league as us and played 20+ games at BHW then I’d definitely say we would lose fans.

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)8/10 10:03Thu Oct 8 10:03:49 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Too right. Why watch the Boro shite when we can watch a half decent Spurs team.

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By Chet Manley (Paulio)8/10 00:12Thu Oct 8 00:12:45 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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If B-Teams came into the leagues, how many teams would need to be kicked out to fit them in?

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By AndyC8/10 07:56Thu Oct 8 07:56:39 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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They'd do it in a 'reorganisation' so no-one is kicked out of anything. Take the championship down to 20 teams as they play too many games anyway and then make league 2 north and south with the extra teams and adding in b teams

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Owen B8/10 07:49Thu Oct 8 07:49:58 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I'm guessing there could be a League 2 North & South, so an extra division.

It's seriously shit though. The lower leagues aren't here to service the overblown Premier League shitshow. But as Balders says above, they're not going to bail the lower leagues out without strings attached.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Chet Manley (Paulio)8/10 09:03Thu Oct 8 09:03:35 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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If it happened I think I’d probably stop following football. (I already have LOLOLOLOL)

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By Hitchin Callling8/10 10:25Thu Oct 8 10:25:29 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Agreed its part of the plan to get rid of the feeder system full stop and just have Premership 1 & 2.

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By Richie Rich C8/10 10:53Thu Oct 8 10:53:32 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I am going to be radical . Given the current grass roots finance. Why not affiliate each league 2 and league 1 club to a premier league club , maybe like a draft based on the league position, The previous year or for the players sake on Geography. In order that the premier leagues bright young talents get to play men’s football . Each premier club loan the league 1 and league 2 affiliated club 6 players Free each for a season. You could even do a propper draft system or pull names out of a hat if you want. This way lower league clubs can reduce the wage bill as a third of the squad is free and we don’t have to play B teams making it a competitive league affordable for league 1 and 2 if crowds are still not in or reduced

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Chet Manley (Paulio)8/10 12:56Thu Oct 8 12:56:01 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Have a MLB set up? AAA, AA, A set ups.

I would be fine with that if it was done properly.

But it would mean relegations and promotions would fuck things up.

I also think contracts should be the same as they have.

Edited by Paulio at 12:56:19 on 8th October 2020
Edited by Paulio at 12:57:03 on 8th October 2020

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Sev8/10 11:40Thu Oct 8 11:40:35 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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I'd like the excitement of a drafting system.

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Re: B Teams in the EFL

By Ratman468/10 12:30Thu Oct 8 12:30:57 2020In response to Re: B Teams in the EFLTop of thread

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Me too

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