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Project Big Picture

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)13/10 12:21Tue Oct 13 12:21:16 2020

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Think Phil will vote for it?

I do.

It's a fucking big bribe, and will damage the pyramid hugely, but it's money.

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By Freemo23/10 20:33Fri Oct 23 20:33:50 2020In response to Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Turns out the FA Chairman was up to his elbows in this and the idea was to get all their ducks in a row and present it as a done deal whilst selectively paying lip service to the inevitable outrage. Pro tip: this is how everything works at the intersection of big business and politics, but we aren't supposed to find out.

When the plans leaked they tried to act dumb but have been caught out. Expect all this to blow over in a week.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/23/revealed-greg-clarke-real-role-in-controversial-project-big-picture-talks-fa-chairman

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Re: Project Big Picture

By fmboro14/10 17:12Wed Oct 14 17:12:49 2020In response to Project Big PictureTop of thread

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54545053

Off for now. £50m worth of loans for L1/L2 clubs agreed.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Bankerbob14/10 19:10Wed Oct 14 19:10:53 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Loans need repaying. Let's hope they are at such a negative interest rate that lower league clubs repay less than they 'borrowed'.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By AndyC14/10 19:55Wed Oct 14 19:55:12 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Football money is always repaid less than is borrowed once the club's 'do an Exeter'

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)14/10 19:33Wed Oct 14 19:33:17 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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It's £20m in grants so if equitable £416k per club.

Plus £30m in interest free loans, presumably subject to status.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Hitchin Callling15/10 07:58Thu Oct 15 07:58:10 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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EFL meeting today.As regards to the grant bet it is not dished out equally.Lg1 clubs will get more.
As regards to loans in reality will many clubs be able to repay these.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)15/10 09:59Thu Oct 15 09:59:42 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Agree it won't be an even split. We'll probably get closer to £250-275k

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Re: Project Big Picture

By bcb199413/10 18:39Tue Oct 13 18:39:40 2020In response to Project Big PictureTop of thread

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From BBC Sport

‘Nine clubs given 'special voting rights' on certain issues, based on their extended runs in the Premier League.‘

Easy way to slip B Teams into the EFL.

Edited by bcb1994 at 18:40:38 on 13th October 2020

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Sev13/10 14:00Tue Oct 13 14:00:21 2020In response to Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Sounds like he is for it, subject to the small print, as he doesn't have much details.

He makes a good point that the current situation clearly isnt working and hasn't for years so it's an opportunity to reset the industry and operate sustainably going forward.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By AndyC14/10 07:10Wed Oct 14 07:10:56 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Whereas in reality all that will happen is once clubs have higher incomes they will spend more on transfer fees and wages and five years down the line you'll be back in the same position, just with bigger incomes and outgoings.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Sev14/10 13:20Wed Oct 14 13:20:37 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Agreed. I almost put pretty much that at the end of my post. But decide to leave it.

I trust someone like Phil to reset and continue to run responsibly but not the industry as a whole.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Ratman4614/10 08:22Wed Oct 14 08:22:34 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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I'd hope they bring in restrictions to stop this but I don't hold out much hope they will be followed.

Edited by Ratman46 at 08:22:43 on 14th October 2020

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Sev14/10 13:21Wed Oct 14 13:21:55 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Actually that was why I decided not to put what Andy said in my post, I remember now. I had to notion that rules re squad size and salary caps would maybe mean they don't all fuck it up again.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By AndyC14/10 09:17Wed Oct 14 09:17:22 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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I think Man City have proved that any kind of financial regulations can be side stepped with a good lawyer

Edited by AndyC at 09:17:31 on 14th October 2020

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Re: Project Big Picture

By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)13/10 16:30Tue Oct 13 16:30:17 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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I think it's a great idea.

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By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)13/10 15:03Tue Oct 13 15:03:09 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Let's just hope we aren't one of the extra two clubs jettisoned from the EFL, that we're all happy with having a dozen Spurs yoof in our squad every season and that we're happy with an ever diminishing solidarity payment as TV deal money shrinks whilst PPV for all the attractive big money matches, which we get a £0 cut from, grows.

I don't give a shit about what the PL does in terms of spending more time playing in Europe than playing domestic games. That'll happen anyway.

But there is nothing to stop the proposed rule-making clubs from preserving their place at the top table forever by deciding to separate from the league pyramid and stopping relegation. That will filter down to the next tier eventually.

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By Sev13/10 19:36Tue Oct 13 19:36:49 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Is having loans players from a bigger club a bad thing?

I know we'd all prefer a team like 2009 when they stay together for 4 or 5 years and rise up the league but normally we changed 20 players a season.

With loan players it could go two ways which are positive (as well as a number of ways which are shit): you may keep the core of non loan players longer because it's the loan players who change, or you may actually keep the same loan player for years (the ones not good enough for the club but they dont want to sell them yet) or be able to sign them.

Just because we don't own them, as fans they are still putting on the shirt and representing our club. What's it matter what contract they're on.

Until it's done we won't know. If they're forced on us with conditions having to play and we are messed about etc then obviously not good.

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By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)13/10 20:44Tue Oct 13 20:44:00 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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If they're good, they'll be shipped up a level.

I don't mind 1-2 loans, it's part of the game now. I don't want half a squad of loans. I want contracted men playing for us.

I hope the FA and Govt call the big six` bluff on their threat to form a breakaway. A 6 team league with no relegation and mega priced tickets will get boring very quickly.

Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 20:57:25 on 13th October 2020

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Re: Project Big Picture

By East Coast Boro14/10 21:13Wed Oct 14 21:13:02 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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I suspect the SIX would join up with other Euro teams from Madrid, Milan, Munich etc to form the much talked about 'Euro Super league' of top 14- 16 so biggest (financially) teams with a playoff final type Aussie play off system. Franchising to get in in the future - with no relegation of course. Matches sold exclusively on the individual Club (subscription) platforms as pay per view!

Now if that happens will Fifa/uefa have the balls to ban the players involved from word Cup/ international tournaments as we had with 'Packer Cricket' in 1970s. And would the FA stop the 6 playing in the FA Cup (and would they want too?)

interesting times and not in a good way.

Edited by East Coast Boro at 21:15:54 on 14th October 2020

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Bankerbob13/10 22:59Tue Oct 13 22:59:39 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Too many loans will simply prevent academy players moving up to the first team in lower league clubs, which totally goes against what everyone says they want to do.

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Chuds13/10 21:14Tue Oct 13 21:14:06 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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I kinda agree with Sev.

I think so long as it is a season long loan and the club has control over playing them etc. it isn't so bad. Loans that last a month or three are not going to be that bothered, whereas I feel full season loans are more likely to be.

I think in recent years our long term loanees have shown just as much commitment as our own players. I also think there is just as big a risk with players not giving a shit when ours as those who are loaned to us, with our contracts. Both players are only guaranteed to be with us for a year. Granted you could argue those who are ours have to play well or they may find themselves without a club, but look at last year, of things are not going well they can equally decide they don't care as they are off after a year.

Edit: I wouldn't want any more than around six or seven loanees though. I think around a third of a squad is acceptable if looking to make things more sustainable and reduce wages.

Edited by Chuds at 21:16:45 on 13th October 2020

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)13/10 21:22Tue Oct 13 21:22:25 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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I agree too. Commitment isn't guaranteed by a contract however long.

But Spurs will only loan players if they have some control. Whether that is in respect of paying salaries or the promise of future loans, they will have more control and influence, they'll insert coaches and support staff and their ethos on our club.

Which might be beneficial but it makes it more Spurs and less Stevenage.

With 1 or 2 that influence is more limited.

(I only use Spurs as an example)

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Re: Project Big Picture

By Freemo13/10 21:04Tue Oct 13 21:04:42 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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The notion that players who rely on us for a living will give more of a shit is an outdated one which was thoroughly disproved by last season. But I still think it's one worth having, and I think it may actually apply more in the current circumstances.

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By Hitchin Callling13/10 14:41Tue Oct 13 14:41:06 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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Heard at least Orient & Rochdale chairman for it but they say in effect they have no choice or will go bust.Boris is against though. Srtange given Governments stance .Also cannot see how the government (taxpayers) can bailout NL but not EFL (by the way I do not think they should bailout either).
Not clear if, what and who votes on this.
Also possible even if voted for FA will veto.

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By Pete (PeteH)13/10 14:03Tue Oct 13 14:03:04 2020In response to Re: Project Big PictureTop of thread

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You could argue that whoever gets to make the calls in the Premier League won't affect us*

* for five years.

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