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Match Thread.
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Thought Cuthbert was finished there.
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Thought today’s performance was one of the better ones over the last few seasons tbh ..
If we can play like that in League 2 even though we lost then we have a chance maybe !
The new players looked good and was impressed by Norris & Lines my only criticism is Norris & Aitchison should have started, Newton isn’t the player he once was and it showed again today.
Games in hand on the teams around us we need to start getting some points in the bag ...
Ps Could hear great coaching from our bench I’m taking it that was Wilkins positive and encouraging the players, he’s going to be the next Boro manager !!
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Re: Match Thread.
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"Newton isn’t the player he once was"
At this point, Newton is precariously close to the Ben Kennedy category. People keep saying he's not the player he once was. But I keep wondering... what player was that, exactly? I've always remembered him being a player who works hard, is strong, but essentially just runs around with his head down. Most of his goals came from brute force, and he's never exactly looked like a particularly technically skilled player. No different than what we see now.
I don't think he's necessarily gotten worse, because I'm just not entirely sure he was ever that good to begin with. Maybe we just weren't as picky back then because we weren't so shit? He's clearly back to being fit, and has had enough of a run in the side, so it's difficult to argue that his injury has hindered him.
As I've said elsewhere, he wins more than his fair share of headers and flick-ons, but his in-possession play is poor more often than it is good. His decision making is also very poor. He'd make a fantastic Conference striker, but I think that's about his limit, unless his mental and technical attributes improve.
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Re: Match Thread.
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He had end product when he first joined us. That’s the difference. It doesn’t matter how the goals come, what matters is that they come. As a striker you generally live or die by your goals. I don’t think he has been the same player since his first major injury break. He did what he does now, but he did it to a better standard when he first joined us.
Kennedy burst on to the scene, he made an impact and his youthful confidence carried him through. Somewhere along the line that confidence seemed to morph in to arrogance and he seemingly started to believe his own hype. He did have injuries too to be fair on him.
Perhaps Newton and Kennedy are similarly overrated in some people’s perceptions but Newton has nowhere near the same number of people queuing up to rim him as Kennedy did.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Remember he was player of the season that first year and scored some cracking goals, though he often had most impact when coming on as a sub against (possibly) tiring defenders. Form is so often about confidence, the more so with strikers.
Two contrasting examples: if things don't go right for Newton he tends to over compensate by doing everything/trying too hard/looking for the magic run on goal. List, on the other hand, tends to disappear. Occasionally you catch a glimpse of the player he could be, then it's gone again.
Of the two, I would sooner have the former. Newton may not be quite the player we thought he was, but he is better than the one we are seeing now. A goal or two would make the world of difference.
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Re: Match Thread.
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9 goals in three seasons (yes I know he was injured for some of it)
Hardly a player I’d have any interest in keeping at the club.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Even if you take out the season he was injured, 9 goals in 2 seasons is pretty poor. 9 goals in one season is hardly prolific, either.
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Re: Match Thread.
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I need to see what Norris is like, but I would suggest that the aimless running around Newton does is the kind of thing that coaches actually value much more than we do watching the game as fans, for the pressure it puts on the opposition.
If his replacement doesn't put in that work then it might be badly missed.
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Re: Match Thread.
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But its no good having someone winning the ball back - either directly or indirectly - if they're going to give the ball away the majority of the time they get it. I'd rather someone who wins the ball back less but retains it more.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Yes. It’s worked that well that we have scored the second lowest amount of goals in League 2. Looks like we’re on to a winner that only Southend know about
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Re: Match Thread.
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Lesson from the last 18 months: things can always get worse.
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I think the attribute of being able to relentlessly pressurise the keeper and defenders is being underrated by some and overrated by others.
Edit: See also: Chris Beardsley
Edited by Owen B at 11:50:30 on 10th January 2021
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Re: Match Thread.
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Depends if they’re effective at it.
Beardo was good at what he did. Others just run around aimlessly and it achieves nothing.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Yes, was talking in general terms.
I was fairly surprised we gave Newton a contract extension, as doesn't seem to have done much to warrant it, certainly post-injury.
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Re: Match Thread.
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He'll buy into Revs mantra and i can imagine the ball was definitely in our court when it came to contract negotiations.
He's fustrating at times but not as bad as people are making out.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Remind me of the last time he did something that impressed you that didn't involve running or winning headers.
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Makes a cracking cup of tea.
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His goal against Port Vale was pretty good.
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Really good performance to be fair, but can we please get a proper defensive coach in? Balls into the box costing us yet again.
Just our luck the Wildin puts in a couple good performances that Coker goes to absolute shit.
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Re: Match Thread.
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I thought the players were great. Another really positive performance and should’ve been level in that today! What’s impressive is we’ve kept playing the same way for a few games.
I really liked the look of both Norris and Lines. Lines has quality on the ball and I didn’t expect him to be that tall either. Norris looks very good. Physical, holds the ball up really well and will score goals. Gutted for him missing the penalty.
Overall, really positive. With Grimsby losing, we’re now holding 3 games in hand and a real chance of staying up. Let’s focus on the league and try to climb this table!
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Re: Match Thread.
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I think tbf that we controlled a lot of the game because Swansea had it well in hand and weren't overly bothered. But it was a good performance and with better finishing we might've surprised them.
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Re: Match Thread.
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I'm inclined to agree. I kept thinking - when the game was 1-0 - that even if we nicked an equaliser, they had enough quality to step it up and score another. I think they did just enough to see them through to the next round, but seemingly had plenty in the tank.
A good performance from us. Our ball retention was decent enough and we came close to scoring a few times. Ultimately the gap in quality was quite evident, though, and I don't know how much we were ever really in the tie.
Good performances from Lines, Read, Smith and Vancooten. Cuthbert was solid, as usual, and Wildin's energy helped with our attacking, even if the majority of his passes were a bit wayward. A quiet game for Pett, and I wasn't surprised to see him subbed. I lost my stream at around 70 minutes, so missed most of Norris' performance.
Coker was abysmal and at fault for both goals. I think with the form we seem to have hit, and the additions we have made, Coker is looking like a real weak link. A lot of goals from crosses to the back post, which have commonly been attributed to Wildin not getting close enough to his man, when realistically, Coker was equally to blame for not properly tracking/marking the runner. If we can find a replacement left back in this transfer window, I think we look pretty solid (albeit not particularly deep) to have a respectable second half of the season.
Not to get too ahead of ourselves, but we are only 10 pts behind Walsall (11th) with two games in hand. If we manage to win those, I think we'd be sitting pretty nicely. I'm finally - after two seasons of utter dross - enjoying watching us again. Getting up at 6:45 to watch the games doesn't feel like a chore at the moment, which is nice! The loss today was disappointing, but the new style of play and the influence that Wilkins is having is really positive. We've gone from wondering where on earth our next win is coming from to feeling like we could genuinely make moves up the table.
What a difference a month makes.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Agree with most of what your saying
Coker seems to be taking a bashing on here
I actually think Cuthbert could or should have done a bit better for both goals as well
Scotty obviously can do no wrong which is a little fortunate Coker is playing
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Re: Match Thread.
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Decent performance on the whole. Another day we'd have taken that one to extra time.
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Pretty pleased with that overall. So much better these past few weeks.
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Yep, agreed. Hopefully we'll be pulling ourselves up towards mid table over the next few weeks and months.
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Decent performance but quality told in the end
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Shame really..
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Not a bad performance. Unfortunately a couple of our players let the side down. Hope the gaffer "Alex Revell" learns from this.
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Re: Shame really..
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I agree with that, apart for the 2 goals I thought we was the better side. Take the performance of today we can climb the league.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Arthur Read is the bollocks
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Never stops running. Back to the player he was when he first came.
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I was impressed with us today. Read was excellent, TVC has improved (or he had a good day?) and Norris looks like an upgrade.
I don’t blame Coker as much as others for the second goal, that Garrick was too good and too quick for him. As for the first goal... oh dear. We fought back really well though.
I think we’ll stay up. Two weeks ago I thought we were doomed.
Dean Wilkins is my new homoerotic fantasy.
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Re: Match Thread.
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"TVC has improved (or he had a good day?)"
A bit harsh to suggest TVC just had a good day. That's three solid performances in a row from him now. His distribution and bit of speed is a valuable addition to our back 4.
"Garrick was too good and too quick for [Coker]."
While this is true, Garrick wrote down on a postcard what he was going to do, mailed it to Coker, and still Coker couldn't read it. Coker was chasing shadows. He's disastrously slow, and not astute enough to have read it. Ronnie was horrendously slow, but I rarely remember him getting burned quite so savagely as that.
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I remember Danny Rose giving him the run around, but can’t think of any other times anyone got the better of King Ronnie
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Dean Wilkins will be a great manager when Revs get poached by a bigger club.
Edited by Sev at 19:26:51 on 9th January 2021
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Re: Match Thread.
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Revs will take Sampson with him so will need a big rebuild here.
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Just hope Keith stays.
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Already getting head hunted by Daz
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Did Leon recruit Keef?
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Keef was adopted by Dino.
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The closest he could find to replace the goat he has as a kid.
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Norris
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Crap pen.
Needs to shave off the Brent goatee.
I'm unconvinced.
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Wasn’t a bad pen. Seen far worse go in. Credit to Woodman for stopping it.
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You mean credit to Woodman for moving early and deceiving the referee into thinking he was still stationary when the ball was hit?
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They're allowed to move, just not cross the line.
I don't know which he did, but movement between the posts is OK.
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Norris did fine, got himself into good position.
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Gotten into some good positions. If he could finish he wouldn’t be In league 2.
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I was thinking he looked quite good.
Hoping he'll get us some goals in the league.
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Agreed,thought he and Lines looked good.
However you know how Borochatters like to judge based on 30 minutes Vs teams two divisions higher!
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You do have to hand it to our scouts though. Having the foresight to sign someone who gets booked and misses a penalty as a substitute on debut is good going!
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I thought Norris lead the line well when he come on
Plays like that regularly he will make a difference
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He didn't miss, it was saved. Keeper goes the other way and it's a goal.
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He looked very good keeper. Think the commentator mentioned that he had saved lots of penalties this season
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I mean, with the penalty save and the save from Read's freekick, he stopped two goals. Very solid keeper and I suspect a large contributor to their excellent defensive record this season.
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He's the England U21 keeper, so i hope he's good!
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That was his 4th out of 7 this season
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There was a defender many years ago ( Steve Holden?) who came on as a sub on his debut, conceded a penalty and given a straight red card... Now that was a debut!
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Re: Norris
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Brian Statham got sent off on his Boro debut for handball on the goal line
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CALL OFF THE MATCH NOW!
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So foggy it's getting dangerous for the players.
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Re: CALL OFF THE MATCH NOW!
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I was thinking about the fog just now. It seems to have descended very fast...
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It descended on our defensive decision-making very early on.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Hahahahahahahh look how slow Coker is hahahahah
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Such bullshit. So unfair.
Coker chasing shadows, again.
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Coker is a disaster. Absolute shambles of a player.
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He desperately needs replacing. He's comically slow. Everyone could see what the winger was going to do there except Coker.
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Should have signed Mark Wright. We love publicity after all.
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What's Denis Irwin doing these days?
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Sad actually. He was killed by a stingray off the Australian coast about 15 years ago.
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Re: Match Thread.
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You're thinking of Steve Bruce.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Got roasted, but you don't see quality like that in League 2
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Quality of the cross. Sure.
But knocking the ball past the full back and just sprinting past him, when the full back is giving you 15 yards of space and an open invitation to bend him over, that's the full backs fault.
Edited by AgentEves at 06:59:58 on 10th January 2021
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Re: Match Thread.
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Good to see a half time sub. Interesting one tho. Pett was quiet, but not sure I'd have taken him off. I'm concerned Norris and Newton offer too much of the same thing. We shall see.
I'd like to see List on for Newton.
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Coker skinned again.
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But at least they never subbed Newton.
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Didn't have a chance in a foot race. Had to get in there first instead of backing off
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Re: Match Thread.
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Stop. Starting. Newton.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Not the same player he was a few seasons ago. Needs to be replaced with Oteh for second half.
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Re: Match Thread.
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I assume that's why we signed Norris.
To his credit, he wins so many headers and flick-ons (not that anyone gets on the end of them). But, yeah, his all-round game is pretty poor.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Is that the new Hands, Face, Space?
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Wilkins removing all doubt today as to whether he is influencing the way we play. Screaming the entire way through. Telling them to push higher, directing play, etc. Great to hear.
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Re: Match Thread.
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So much better. Even today, despite going behind we have really grown into it and had chances.
Read looking good, and quite impressed with Lines so far.
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Agree
Thought Read had a really good game
Came and got the ball
Showing alot more confidence
Lines looked good as well
Liking what I saw today
Downside.
2 very poor goals to give away
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Re: Match Thread.
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Another great poem, Bumble.
Let's us know when you publish the book.
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Do you type your posts on a typewriter?
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Re: Match Thread.
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This is the first line of my post. Stop.
I very much like the internet. Stop.
One day I will treat myself to a brand new Blackberry Curve. Stop.
End of message.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Read and Lines. Like an English lesson.
Edited by Sev at 15:55:36 on 9th January 2021
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Like what you did there!
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It's amazing what a difference he has made. This coupled with the new signings and a different player up front eg. Norris we definitely should have enough quality and options to stay up now.
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Re: Match Thread.
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I don't understand how we have such a strong defensive record and so few goals when our attack and movement up front is infinitely better than the Subbuteo-esque defense.
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We have grown into this game. Been on top for most of the last 15-20 mins.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Think Lines will be a decent signing in the league. What I was expecting Vincalot to offer.
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Agreed. And I noticed in the program he has 5 promotions.
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I'd love to know Wildin's pass completion.
And what percentage of his crosses hit the player standing right in front of him.
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I prefer the ones who hit the first man and result in a throw in to us, or the ball back to us, than some others who result in a throw in to the opposition as far too over hit.
Would be nice to have a player who can cross though, who plays out wide.
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Re: Match Thread.
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Both our full backs are liabilities.
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A bit harsh.
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I would say Luther has been one of the better players so far
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At what? Finding space. Fair. But he dribbles forward and either gives it away or kicks it at the first defender in an attempt to cross it.
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He got a couple of decent crosses in, won a couple of corners, overlapped on a few runs and didn't give the ball away once in his own half that I can recall.
He's a L2 fullback so yes he has limitations, but he more than held his own today.
I thought he had a very decent game. As did TVC. Behind Read those two were our standout players.
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Re: Match Thread.
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"didn't give the ball away once in his own half that I can recall."
This is a crucial distinction, you're right. He wasn't really a liability today, but he has been overall, which is where my comment was stemming from.
In terms of today's performance, he was adequate.
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TVC almost fucked it with a miscontrol but did an impressive recovery to stop the bloke getting his shot off when he was clear through due to he initial mistake.
That's my only worry with TVC. Sometimes he'll try to overplay or do something clever and if it doesn't come off it's very risky at CB.
But otherwise his partnership with Cuthbert is probably the best option at the moment.
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Re: Match Thread.
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"Probably."
I find the judgement of players on here really interesting. The bar for some players is extraordinarily high, while others can virtually take a shit in the middle of the pitch and get away with an assessment of "he's just an average League Two player". I assume there's some overcorrection going on, in reaction to a player being overly hyped or overly criticized, but I've always found it fascinating to read people defending players like Jordan Burrow and then in another post criticizing Darius. So strange.
Compared to Prosser, Nugent, and many, many other centre back options we have had in the past few years, he is, in my opinion, comfortably one of the better ones. Him and Cuthbert is undoubtedly our best partnership.
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I say probably because I'm not as assertive in my opinion as some people who leave no room for any doubt they could possibly be wrong.
Also, I've not seen Prosser and TVC together or Prosser and Marshall or TVC and Marshall. But IMO Cuthbert and TVC are probably the best option, given my lack of complete information.
As for holding players to higher standards I agree. I see Wildin and TVC as similar in terms of performance in their respective positions. Both athletic, have good attributes but prone to the odd mistake. Yet 80%of the fanbase blame Wildin for every goal we concede and 80% of the fan base think TVC is the next £1m player.
I think they're both adequate, and time will tell whether they push on and improve.
There must be a reason why TVC can never hold a place in the team. Doing well at the moment though so long may it continue.
Edit: forgot about Fernandes too who when he had that spell in the team due to injuries looked like he had potential.
Edited by Sev at 19:22:45 on 10th January 2021
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Re: Match Thread.
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OK, fair. I read it as TVC being 'probably' the best option alongside Cuthbert. To which I would argue we have seen Wildin, Prosser and Marshall all link up with Cuthbert and I would say it's pretty reasonable to say that TVC is the obvious choice.
However, looking back at your post, that isn't what you said at all. Plus the points you've made here are valid.
That said, I disagree that Wildin and TVC are comparable. I think Wildin gives the ball away far more often than TVC does. TVC makes the odd mistake, Wildin rarely goes a game without multiple.
Edited by AgentEves at 22:05:37 on 10th January 2021
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Re: Match Thread.
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Has ever started this many consecutive games at CB?
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Re: Match Thread.
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This.
TVC's been in and out of the team, playing at right and centre back. A run in the team now can only be a good thing in terms of his confidence, experience and decision making on the ball.
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Created 2 of the best chances with his runs
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I dont remember but will take your word for it.
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I'm just amazed you're focussing on Wildin when Coker has had a far worse game so far.
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Controversial opinion but that was Wildins best game in a long time.
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I'm not focusing on Wildin. I said both are liabilities. Which they are.
Coker is abysmal and I've mentioned so plenty of times. He has been at fault for both goals.
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Thanks. Won the free kick on the edge of the box & won the ball back, took on & beat their player then passed to Smith who crossed to Newton who then shot over
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Re: Match Thread.
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Smith escorted a ball out for a throw in to them. Even I could see he touched the ball last.
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Freddie Woodman.
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Just realised he's the son of ex Boro keeper Andy Woodman.
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Is it to early...
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To make a sub?
Newton is pissing me off already.
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Re: Newton
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He's a fucking donkey.
Smith on the other hand. If he continues to improve he's gonna be an awesome player. Superb distributon.
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Re: Is it to early...
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Winning a lot of headers and flick ons tho.
His distribution is abysmal, though. If he had any sort of technical ability he'd be able to play much higher. He's athletic and that's literally it.
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Re: Freddie Woodman.
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Hopefully he's just as bad!
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Re: Freddie Woodman.
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Everytime Woodman is mentioned I have flashbacks to that Barnet away game.
Edited by RockyBottom at 15:26:44 on 9th January 2021
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Revs has got to go now.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Shame we can’t blame Sampson any more.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Been good so far just need to finish our chances
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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I know you're trolling, but us losing wasn't the issue. Us going into every game trying to grind it out, playing horrendous football, and getting nothing from it, was the issue.
As long as we keep playing this new brand of football then I suspect there will be fewer complaints.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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I saw Sampson celebrate on the replay. Got out the Welsh flag too
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Who knew the FA Cup was an international competition.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Why? Have we all of a sudden gone back to playing shit football?
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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What the hell was that defending?
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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No defending - just watching
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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It was ever so easy for Swansea
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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They are quicker to react all over the pitch. A step up from Hull certainly.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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I actually think we’ve played quite well since the goal. We’re the better team without really creating anything. We’re working hard though
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Yeah we have grown into the game. I feel like they could go up a gear though.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Just flashed up 57% possession to them which was surprising. Seemingly we know nothing.
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And 44% to us which totals 101% so I don’t know who is doing the stats
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Haha! Didn't notice that.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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I said the same about them looking like they have another gear. There's been signs of them cutting us to shreds when they get into our third.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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“ We’re the better team without really creating anything. ”
We’re the better team without actually achieving what they’re supposed to in a game?
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Not yet but, having said that, we just created 2 chances. Stop being so critical!
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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He isn't. He's trolling.
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Re: 0-1 Already.
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Coker more interested holding the player than going for the ball
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One thing we're better than Swansea at..
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Is the best looking manager. The Swansea manager looks like a ferret.
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Other games (League Two)
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Grimsby losing. As it stands we stay outside the relegation zone with games in hand
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