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Difficult to judge against 10 men

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)20/3 18:54Sat Mar 20 18:54:17 2021

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But that was arguably the best I've seen us play since that 0-4 win at Cambridge.

They weren't a patch on the side that whacked us at their place but they still had some good players and plenty of physical players.

Once they got back to 1-1 and got the red card I fully expected it to become a battle of attrition with them putting everyone behind the ball and us getting continually more frustrated as we tried to break them down.

Huge credit to both the fullbacks and the midfield for opening up so many spaces so often. Some of the build-up one and two touch passing forcing Carlisle to continually shuffle across the pitch, tire themselves out and get frustrated.

Norris' hold up play today was excellent at times too.

Genuinely hope we can see some of that form a few more times before the season is out.

Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 18:55:18 on 20th March 2021

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By jayess21/3 10:33Sun Mar 21 10:33:21 2021In response to Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Overall I think that's the best we have played since the days of Illias Chair. There were a number of outstanding performances, not least from Luke Norris (I hope Agent Eaves was watching...he is unusually quiet) and the midfield as a whole. I criticised Arthur Read last week, but yesterday he showed just how good he can be.

He is the one loan player (other than Cummins, who won't be an option) that would be an excellent permanent signing.
Is that realistic? I guess it depends how highly he is rated at Brentford.

As the results pile up it becomes more and more evident that we have a potential promotion squad if we can keep it together for next season and that there are strengths within it that we didn't see earlier in the season when the quality of Pett, Lines, TVC and Osborne were absent. For example, that Coker has a great left foot and that Cuthbert and Prosser are more or less interchangeable in central defence.

It is one of the ironies of this weird year that I have seen more Stevenage games than ever before. Before Christmas it was painful. Now it's becoming a pleasure.

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By AgentEves23/3 05:54Tue Mar 23 05:54:55 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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I didn't watch it. The earlier kick off is a killer for me. Didn't fancy getting up at 5am for what was highly likely going to be a 0-0 draw. Glad I was wrong, but disappointed I missed it.

I'm glad Norris had a good game. If Newton is now injured, we're going to need someone to lead the line with List. I hope that player can be Norris, I'm just yet to be convinced. It'll take a few more good performances before I turn the corner on him. One Swallow does not a summer make, as they say.

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By Freemo23/3 12:43Tue Mar 23 12:43:12 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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0-0 is more of an away thing now, we've scored in each of our last five home games but only in one of the aways.

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By AgentEves23/3 18:22Tue Mar 23 18:22:09 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Interesting. Since I'm watching all games online, I don't even really think about whether it's a home or away game. Those are some interesting stats. That old bullshit of having to defend when away from home.

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By jayess23/3 11:07Tue Mar 23 11:07:03 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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He lacks pace and his body language can be beyond irritating at times, but he has an excellent first touch and a surprising degree of skill. Injuries permitting, we should see him and List together for the rest of the season.
Enough time to form a balanced judgment.

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By RockyBottom25/3 09:55Thu Mar 25 09:55:02 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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I don't mind his body language to be honest. Half the time he is just annoyed with himself. At least it shows a desire to win.

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By AgentEves23/3 18:24Tue Mar 23 18:24:41 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Absolutely. I hope he can chip in with the 10-12 goals his historical goal-scoring records suggest he can contribute. That would mean another 4-6 goals between now and the end of the season. And if he manages to form a partnership with List that allows List to continue scoring, then great.

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By Freemo23/3 18:42Tue Mar 23 18:42:21 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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He gave an interview the club's YouTube where he suggested that injuries and other factors had led to him not giving a fair account of himself until now.

His performance on Saturday was in line with that suggestion, so here's hoping he comes through.

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By The Proclaimer21/3 15:27Sun Mar 21 15:27:43 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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He's a very tidy player, however The last game he started he gave away a penalty in the last minute that they scored from. It was a really careless and sloppy penalty to concede. I can't remember the game.

Professional players that really care about winning don't do that. It's the work equivalent of Reply All with your boss in copy laughing at what a dick he is.

Yesterday obviously was a great showing from him and he deserves his chances.

Edited by The Proclaimer at 15:30:28 on 21st March 2021

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By Freemo20/3 19:12Sat Mar 20 19:12:42 2021In response to Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Pett, Lines and Read are all genuine box to box players instead of pass and just stand there types. Helps tremendously to create space and options.

Forest Green was still my favourite from this season.

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By RockyBottom20/3 18:58Sat Mar 20 18:58:06 2021In response to Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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We played well but I think it would have been a very different game v 11. They played an hour v 10 men.

Pett really impressed me today.

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By Bragbury10620/3 21:31Sat Mar 20 21:31:10 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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to play against 10 players often is harder, Carlisle are no mugs and a hard team to break down.
also i think stevenage supporters have been used to a poor team for quite a long time and are finding
hard to except the team are becoming a decent squad of players and improvement is gaining each week.
last season and up to Christmas of this season was a nightmare, the squad now has shown the confidence
and improvement to look a handy unit and ready for next season with a couple of players being brought in
and give improved contracts to a few players.

to finish in the top-half this season would increase the ambitions for next season and gain some wandering fans back.

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By Taz20/3 21:59Sat Mar 20 21:59:20 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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That's actually not true. Teams with 11 v 10 consistently score more and let in fewer goals, and on average it's worth around .5 of a point per game.

https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2015.00842.x

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By RockyBottom22/3 10:27Mon Mar 22 10:27:16 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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And that could include sending offs in the 80th minute. We played an hour v 10.

We obviously created the chance that forced the sending off challenge but I would say Carlisle were on top before that.

I'm not saying we didn't do well, we did, particularly in the second half, after they equalised, but that red made a massive difference.

Edited by RockyBottom at 10:29:51 on 22nd March 2021

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By Taz22/3 12:57Mon Mar 22 12:57:35 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Agreed - I put some more numbers below for L2, along with the link so you (or anyone) can do further investigation. There's tons of info that could be pulled from the data.

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By Copeysaurus (CDawg)21/3 11:13Sun Mar 21 11:13:42 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Was going to say this. Playing against 10 being harder is a weird myth.

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By Old_man21/3 11:24Sun Mar 21 11:24:27 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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It can be harder in the sense that a team down to 10 men will often just put everyone behind the ball, so if you haven't scored before they go down to 10 you probably wont break their defense down.

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By Taz21/3 14:42Sun Mar 21 14:42:44 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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The research suggests it's worth an extra 1/2 point for the home team, so either a team that would have drawn have increased chance to win, or a team that would likely lose draws.
The research gives some differences for when the red card happens as well.

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By Chet Manley (Paulio)21/3 11:20Sun Mar 21 11:20:36 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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One of my favourite Boro games we finished with 9 players. Proper game that was.

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By Boromoose21/3 21:02Sun Mar 21 21:02:50 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Great game!

Boro 2 Oxford U 2 (2006)

I think we went 2-0 up after the reds, only to be pegged back in the 2nd half.

Bradley Johnson was immense that game.

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By AndyC22/3 00:14Mon Mar 22 00:14:09 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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I was in one of the corporate boxes with a load of Oxford supporters, was great fun

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By Copeysaurus (CDawg)21/3 13:56Sun Mar 21 13:56:48 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Must have been some PASSSIONATE challenges. You’d never see this lot go down to 9 men. Revell out.

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By Bragbury10621/3 09:00Sun Mar 21 09:00:22 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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these results of playing against 10 men is from the premiership only which gives a good idea
and proves a point, but does that also work in the FL second div.

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By Taz21/3 16:53Sun Mar 21 16:53:52 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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Here's League 2 this season where a red has happened:

Number of games: 10
Points for 10 man team: 5 - 1 win from an already winning position, 2 draws (0-0 to 1-1, and 1-1 before the red). No team has won or equalized coming from behind.
Average ppg: 0.5 (this is pretty much the number the researcher posted as an advantage to the full strength team).
Goals scored before red: 5 - Avg: 0.5.
Goals scored after red: 2 - Avg 0.2.
Goals conceded before: 8 - Avg 0.8.
Goals conceded after: 9 0 Avg 0.9.

Mansfield - 2 reds. L2. Lost 1-0 . Losing 1-0 before a red, the card was at the end of the game. Drawing 0-0 - lost 2-0, both goals after the red.

Scunthorpe - 1 red. 1-1. Southend at home, red in 78th minute, Southend scored almost immediately. Scunthorpe scored in 90th.

Walsall - 1 red. Away to Bolton. Went 1-0 up, then 1-1. Red card happened, then let in a second to lose 2-1.

Harrogate - 1 red. Winning 3-1 at Crawley before the card, the score didn't change.

Tranmere - 1 red. Losing 1-0 away at Newport. That was the result.

Crawley - 1 red. 1-1 home to Newport. Both goals scored before the red.

Carlisle - 1 red. ROFLCOPTER! Lost 3-1, all goals scored after the red.

Port Vale - 1 red. Away at Mansfield. Lost 4-0, 2 goals before and 2 after.

Bradford - 1 red. Lost 1-0 away at Barrow, goal before the red.

The summary numbers would suggest that a team is a little more likely to concede with 10 men, but MUCH less likely to score.

Out of 10 games, only 5 points were won. Of those, one was a 3-1 win with the goals scored before the red, the other 2 were draws, one was 1-1 before the red and stayed that way, the other was 0-0 and was a 1-1 draw at home to one of the worst teams in the league.

If you want to dig in further, this is the site I used: https://www.totalcorner.com/league/card_stats/7

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By Bragbury10621/3 18:50Sun Mar 21 18:50:16 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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cheers for the info, thought the 2nd div may have been closer.

thanks for the reply.

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By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)20/3 20:36Sat Mar 20 20:36:40 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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When was our last 9 game unbeaten run?

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By Bragbury10620/3 21:39Sat Mar 20 21:39:28 2021In response to Re: Difficult to judge against 10 menTop of thread

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2017 season 8 wins and 1 draw.
i would say this squad is not far off our football league undefeated record
which is very hard to believe.

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