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By RockyBottom18/6 21:49Fri Jun 18 21:49:56 2021

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Thought we'd had enough 0-0's this season watching Stevenage. That was painful, Southgate's brand of football is mind numbing.

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By Owen B19/6 11:26Sat Jun 19 11:26:22 2021In response to EnglandTop of thread

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It was a poor performance and a boring match. But this is tournament football and England have 4 points out of 2 games and are through to the next round with a game in hand. I would evaluate Southgate after the tournament, not straight after one hyped up match.

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By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)19/6 12:53Sat Jun 19 12:53:02 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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It was a woeful spectacle. So negative.

But, as you say, the aim is to progress out the group. We've pretty much done that now.

That said, from what I've seen we aren't in the top 8 best teams based on the games so far. We've had twenty-odd good minutes in 180+.

We might get through one knockout game, I doubt very much we'll get through two.

And then everyone will demand Southgate be sacked. I'm not his biggest fan but I do think we should have an English manager and I can't think of anyone better who'd want the job.

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By AgentEves19/6 18:06Sat Jun 19 18:06:47 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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I actually think we will fair considerably better against teams who don't camp in their own half. When the game is more open, players like Foden, Mount and even Sterling will be much more impactful.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws.

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By Copeysaurus (CDawg)19/6 23:37Sat Jun 19 23:37:09 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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I felt that Scotland didn’t camp in their own half, and created enough chances to nick a win

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By Taz19/6 21:10Sat Jun 19 21:10:24 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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The inability to adapt and break these teams down is a complete tactical failure. If a team is letting us camp outside their box, we should have 20+ shots on goal in an absolute all-out assault. Nail it in there and anything can happen.

I've never understood teams that have 80% possession and just pass it around the 18 yard line waiting for an opening that rarely happens.

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By Sev19/6 20:20Sat Jun 19 20:20:20 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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I agree, what I posted below before I read this!

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By Freemo19/6 13:25Sat Jun 19 13:25:46 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Southgate lives and breathes the FA's system and ethic and will fail again if he attempts club management. Equally we have seen that Capello and Hodgson, both outstanding managers in their own way, didn't do an iota better when dropped into it. Not sure anyone benefits from a change at this point.

I'm still a bit annoyed that Big Sam was such a prannock, his hard-headed pragmatism allied with the vastly improved technical set-up of recent years may have got results. I think the players might have clocked that he was a dinosaur though.

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By AgentEves19/6 18:08Sat Jun 19 18:08:02 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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I'd rather have Ted Lasso than Sam Allardyce. He is a Championship manager masquerading as a relegation battle specialist.

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By Chet Manley (Paulio)19/6 18:11Sat Jun 19 18:11:01 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Big Sam is a fucking fraud. Mike Bassett in real life.

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By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)19/6 14:46Sat Jun 19 14:46:43 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Should get LoudmouthBFC from that earlier thread.

I'm sure all you need to do is shout at players and they'll do goals.

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By Freemo19/6 15:33Sat Jun 19 15:33:08 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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If they can't do the job he can just spend £50m on someone that will like Pep does.

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By Chuds18/6 21:59Fri Jun 18 21:59:43 2021In response to EnglandTop of thread

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Didn't take long for people to crawl out of the woodwork. Winning the tournament after the Croatia game weren't they?

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By RockyBottom18/6 22:01Fri Jun 18 22:01:45 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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I've never been a fan of Southgate though. Think he got incredibly lucky at the last tournament as well. I'd love him to make me eat my words but I don't see it.

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By Bragbury10618/6 23:05Fri Jun 18 23:05:22 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Southgate is only the England manager as we have no other manager who will follow the f.a .
To-nights match was a disgrace to draw against Scotland proves changes must be made high up in English football
a very negative performance with many players under performing .

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By Chet Manley (Paulio)19/6 10:01Sat Jun 19 10:01:38 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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“No other manager who will follow the FA”

Are you saying that Southgate is the only manager we could get who isn’t a corrupt arsehole? Because I’m ok with that.

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By Freemo18/6 22:39Fri Jun 18 22:39:14 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Dunno how the freewheeling attacking team we saw at the World Cup has become so stolid with better players available. Perhaps related to Kane seeming barely capable of running.

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By Old_man19/6 07:06Sat Jun 19 07:06:57 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Kane has never done running or tackling - that's not his job!

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By Freemo19/6 09:02Sat Jun 19 09:02:08 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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I think he can be a deceptively strong runner with the ball, I don't know why he's transformed into a less effective Matt Rhead other than that he's played football nonstop for eight years and is made of scar tissue.

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By AgentEves19/6 00:34Sat Jun 19 00:34:40 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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The midfield's lack of support for Kane was a big part of the problem, I think. We should never have played two DMs against Scotland. Phillips got picked because of his performance in the last game, not because it was the right tactical decision. Southgate could easily have justified dropping him because we were going from playing against a team with a technically gifted midfielder, to a team with battlers in midfield. Once McGinn got booked, the midfield was never going to be a fiesty battle, and he could easily have sacrificed Phillips for a more attack minded option. We needed to get bodies in and around Kane, and we didn't. Foden tried to get the ball inside, but he ultimately had no-one to pass to because of the void between midfield and attack, and because Sterling just disappeared for large portions of the game.

I don't see how Southgate can justify picking Sterling for the next game, but I would bet my last dollar that he will. We have so many other options off the bench, it's not like we're talking about bringing James Milner in. Yeah, they're unproven, but that means they have a point to prove. Jadon Sancho can't possibly be any worse than Sterling was today.

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By Freemo19/6 09:06Sat Jun 19 09:06:43 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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The big difference between this game and last was that Phillips forward runs got picked up by Scotland and Croatia didn't. With so many attacking midfield options that shouldn't have been such a problem.

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By AgentEves19/6 17:53Sat Jun 19 17:53:21 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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That's what is frustrating me the most - we have SO many options. For once we aren't looking at 13/14 decent players, and 9 fillers. We genuinely have 20 players who can make a good contribution. Yet we are refusing to change things up.

Don't get me wrong - drawing 0-0 isn't the worst result, and I think a little perspective is required. It's just frustrating when you feel that we are capable of more.

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By SFCfox19/6 06:56Sat Jun 19 06:56:21 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Spot on. I think Southgate has done wonders for the England team but this time, he got it wrong.

We didn't need a double pivot against a Scotland side that haven't got the same quality as Croatia.

Having said that, if John Stones had buried his free header we'd be partying like it's 1999.

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By AgentEves19/6 18:02Sat Jun 19 18:02:44 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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I agree. I'm not slating Southgate at all; I think what he has done for the culture of the England team is worth it's weight in gold. He has banished the demons that have plagued the England squad for decades, and for that he deserves tremendous accolades. But yesterday was a tactical disaster.

We are all but qualified, though, and that's the main thing. How we respond in the next game is key, though. We need to build up momentum again, going into the 2nd round.

At first glance, I thought finishing 2nd was better than winning the group, because it avoids the runner up of Group F (Germany/Portugal/France/Hungary) in the 2nd round. However, after an 'easier' 2nd round game against the runner up of Group E (Spain/Slovakia/Sweden), we then have to play the winner of Group F anyway (assuming they progress). If we win the group, we play a difficult game against the runner up from Group F, but then we play the winner of Group E or one of the 3rd place teams. On balance, I think that is the better route. Not to mention that winning the group help builds the GW™ winning mentality, and we all know how important that is.

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By Sev19/6 20:16Sat Jun 19 20:16:39 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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What I liked a out Southgate when he started was he played players who were in form and not just the names.

It seems at the moment he is sticking with players because they have made a name for themselves and "we all know what they can do" but I'd rather see players play who were or are in form regardless of how experienced they are or how big a name they have.

I still think Scotland was a lose-lose situation and a one off, even though we were quite good first half.

Going forward I'm sure we will see a more attacking and free playing team with different players used at various times, assuming we stay in the tournament long enough.

Personally I think the team is better suited against better sides rather than the lower sides who fear us and will sit back and defend with men and might.

So I'd rather be playing teams like Belgium, Netherlands, France, Portugal, Spain (not the Italians and they are always solid defensively) than Croatia, Denmark, Sweden, Scotland, Iceland etc. The latter are potential banana skins and tough games.

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By Taz19/6 14:49Sat Jun 19 14:49:09 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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*1996

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By Mr Happy SFC18/6 23:05Fri Jun 18 23:05:42 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Kane's been a total passenger recently. It's pointless playing him.

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By Tucks19/6 09:23Sat Jun 19 09:23:16 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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It’s harder to score when your service is almost non-existent. Something which is criminal given the creative riches in the squad. Two DMs was unnecessary last night. We’ve shown our opponents too much respect in both games so far.

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By Handyandy119/6 07:57Sat Jun 19 07:57:51 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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The build up play was so slow, allowing Scotland more than enough time to get 7 or 8 men back into defensive positions. We were lucky to get away with that. Mind you, I'd rather be on 4 points than one, the way they were celebrating at the end was a bit odd.

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By AgentEves19/6 18:04Sat Jun 19 18:04:22 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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There's something to be said about the fact that we all-but-guaranteed a place in Round 2, without really busting a gut, without getting into a battle that drew a bunch of yellow cards, and, most importantly, without anyone getting injured.

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By Handyandy120/6 14:47Sun Jun 20 14:47:14 2021In response to Re: EnglandTop of thread

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Sterling runs at opponents like a chicken with no head. If he's through with only the keeper to beat, I can't say I'm expecting to score.

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