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What happens first...

By Owen B18/9 18:14Sat Sep 18 18:14:38 2021

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... Revell leaves his role as manager or our home strip goes on sale?

Could be a close race.

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Re: What happens first...

By Lopo18/9 19:26Sat Sep 18 19:26:07 2021In response to What happens first... Top of thread

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Wallace won’t pull the trigger until at least Christmas.

We’ll get another manager advisor in before he’s gone.

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Re: What happens first...

By Rob SBFC (Big Robbie (SBFC))19/9 00:16Sun Sep 19 00:16:53 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Ah. Wallace is gonna off Butch? You ITK?

Edited by Big Robbie (SBFC) at 00:17:38 on 19th September 2021

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Re: What happens first...

By Lopo21/9 15:32Tue Sep 21 15:32:26 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Sauces are unconfirmed.

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Re: What happens first...

By saalina18/9 19:53Sat Sep 18 19:53:32 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Pulls the trigger on what? It’s September. What does sacking a manager do for us other than to start the process all over again? The expectations this fanbase has is pathetic. A month ago all was wonderful.

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Re: What happens first...

By Lopo18/9 20:45Sat Sep 18 20:45:23 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Out of interest, what’s your expectations for Stevenage in League Two?

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Re: What happens first...

By AgentEves18/9 22:53Sat Sep 18 22:53:51 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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I think we have assembled a squad that should be competing at the top of the Division. I think if Cheltenham, FGR, Morcambe and Accrington can get promoted, it's a reasonable expectation that we could too. I'd be happy with us being a L2-L1 yo-yo club.

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Re: What happens first...

By GarstonBoro22/9 15:46Wed Sep 22 15:46:13 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Dream on, we are a National League side playing on fumes. Look at the last few seasons for gods sake

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Re: What happens first...

By Chuds22/9 18:42Wed Sep 22 18:42:05 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Like when we had the 6th best form in the entire league across the final 30 matches of last season, you mean?

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Re: What happens first...

By Sev18/9 22:56Sat Sep 18 22:56:56 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Certainly at the start of the season with the additions that were of a good calibre and probably not cheap we were all expecting a top half team at the very least.

Edited by Sev at 22:57:17 on 18th September 2021

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Re: What happens first...

By Themessiah18/9 20:36Sat Sep 18 20:36:57 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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We are ending up the same way we did last season before Wilkins came in, with the squad we got this is pathetic

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Re: What happens first...

By Freemo18/9 20:21Sat Sep 18 20:21:23 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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It's September and we already seem to be abandoning the system we spent the whole summer building around because we realised it was getting us clowned, just like we did last season.

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Re: What happens first...

By AgentEves18/9 20:12Sat Sep 18 20:12:03 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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"What does sacking a manager do for us."

Other than gives us an opportunity to bring someone in who understands the basic concepts of tactics...?

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Re: What happens first...

By saalina18/9 20:43Sat Sep 18 20:43:33 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Whoever came in would be hounded out by January anyway. If I was a manager I simply would not waste my team even applying for our job, one of the least appealing prospects in the league

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Re: What happens first...

By Handyandy123/9 09:12Thu Sep 23 09:12:12 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Utter nonsense

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Re: What happens first...

By RobW SFC19/9 00:39Sun Sep 19 00:39:47 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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If you were a lower league manager you wouldn’t apply for the job? That’ll feed the kids won’t it.

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Re: What happens first...

By Sev18/9 22:11Sat Sep 18 22:11:23 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Can't agree with that.

We are a well run club off the pitch which provides stability for a manager. We have good set up and training facilities. Our budget certainly isn't the smallest in the league, we are probably mid to top half. Chairman and fans are usually quite patient and ambitious.

By all accounts we should be an appealing prospect if we pay the going rate for a manager.

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Re: What happens first...

By GarstonBoro22/9 15:52Wed Sep 22 15:52:00 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Couldn’t agree more, we are a well run club. People don’t like it when I state that our team is very limited in ability, I don’t know what they see match in match out but I say they players and Revs are giving their best, we should get behind them not speculate on who could do better….

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Re: What happens first...

By AgentEves24/9 08:28Fri Sep 24 08:28:58 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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So just blindly cheer the team on as if that's going to magically fix things? Got it.

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Re: What happens first...

By Sev24/9 09:13Fri Sep 24 09:13:20 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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It won't magically fix things but it would create an environment where players (rightly or wrongly) aren't scared to try things and don't hide from the ball. If you have a crowd baying for blood then players go missing.

Of course if we are just shit it won't make a difference but if we actually have potential that's just not being fulfilled for whatever reason, then a supporting crowd with a pleasant environment surely assists in reaching that potential.

On forums and in conversation of course we criticise and moan about the shutness but I don't like that to spill over into matchday, as you are then already fighting a losing battle before a ball is kicked.

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Re: What happens first...

By AgentEves25/9 07:31Sat Sep 25 07:31:10 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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I agree with everything you're saying, but the line "but I say the players and Revs are giving their best, we should get behind them not speculate on who could do better…." gave me the impression he was talking about us jabbering away on here.

I dont like this idea that unless I'm being positive, I'm not being a proper fan.

I'm on here every week moaning, wasting countless hours of my life, even though I know it's pointless, because I give a shit about this team and I desperately want to see us do better. I don't think me writing on here is doing anything about it, but it gives me an outlet to voice my opinions, good and bad, and see what everyone else thinks. Surely that's why we're all here?

Sure, sometimes I get carried away with hyperbole, and sometimes I call people cunts and twats unjustifiably, but despite me not wanting to get up at 7am to watch this puddle of shit every week, I still do it, in the hopes that we might pull out a random 4-0 win one week. I wish I could just walk away from what is essentially a toxic relationship, but I can't. Supporting this club is part of who I am.

We need to be more demanding. What we are seeing isn't good enough. What we have seen since Westley left for Preston has never been good enough. We had so much forward momentum and it just... died. Somewhere at the bottom of Gary Smith's pockets.

We all put countless hours into supporting this club, and our undying loyalty is rewarded with one budget-friendly managerial appointment after another, that are all varying degrees of shit. I appreciate Wallace as a chairman and I appreciate the financial stability that he brings to the club, but he can't hire a manager to save his fucking life. I would honestly rather we spent the money from the bonds to pay for a manager who actually knows what they're doing than buying that shiny new stand that we can't afford to open half the time.

Let's just be real for a second. We all pussy foot around each other's opinions, but Revs isn't a manager. He doesn't have the capabilities required to be a manager. That is abundantly clear at this stage. As if it wasn't already obvious enough, he openly admitted last week that he doesn't know how to turn things around. Put the guy out of his misery for christ sake.

He cannot manage the team during the game and that is the absolute bare minimum that I would expect from a manager. Whether or not he has the required players to change the game is irrelevant. He doesn't attempt to change anything. Ever. He makes like-for-like subs, except for the odd occasion where he tries to shut up shop when we are winning and invariably fucks it up.

People can talk about our form last season all they want, but we all know that the turn around was Wilkins. He comes in and then overnight everything changes and we stop losing. And people are actually debating whether it was Revs or Wilkins? Give me a fucking break.

And even then, the football last season was fucking dreadful. If I have to watch one more season of us grinding out results against shit like Walsall and Oldham, I'm gonna completely lose interest.

Without being able to go to the ground and actually be there, it has become painfully obvious how shit the football is. But the thing that bugs me is that it doesn't have to be shit. Forest Green are playing well, Morcambe got promoted, Accrington got promoted, Harrogate are up the top. Meanwhile we just stagnate, season after season. We might as well just merge with Crawley and be done with it. At least then we might get 5,000 fans through the turnstiles once in a while.

We used to be someone. We were giant killers. We were a team that people talked about. The closest we've come to being relevant over the past few years is when everyone took the piss out of us for the Burger King jerseys.

We need a better manager. We need a coach with a decent track record who is hungry to succeed and who has the fire to win. And we need to stop digging change out from the sofa cushions to pay for them. Hire a decent fucking manager, for once. For once please can we just hire someone who isn't a cheap option or a gamble. Teddy Sheringham? What a fucking joke. Sarll? Cheap. Dino? Cheap. Westley? Desperation hire. Sampson? Damaged goods. Revs? Cheap.

The merry go round of Sampson and Revs over the last 3 seasons is enough to be mad about alone. Off the top of my head, I can only think of 1 genuinely good game in the past 3 seasons; the 4-0 win away at Cambridge, and that was fucking Westley. I dont care who's in charge, who's behind the tactics, or whatever anymore. Please can we just get rid of them all so we can all move on with our lives.

I'm just fed up. I used to love supporting Stevenage. It felt like we had an identity. It felt like we were going somewhere. Now it's just a fucking grind and it's miserable. I never, ever thought I'd walk away from this club, but I'm precariously close. Sometimes I just wish I didn't care so much.

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Re: What happens first...

By Tucks25/9 11:14Sat Sep 25 11:14:47 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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“ We need to be more demanding. What we are seeing isn't good enough. What we have seen since Westley left for Preston has never been good enough. We had so much forward momentum and it just... died. Somewhere at the bottom of Gary Smith's pockets.”

I remember a game early-ish in Smith’s reign at home. We were at the sharp end of League One but the performance was a bit flat and the murmurs started in the ET. Lairdy came over to take a throw in and motioned for the crowd to calm down, naturally stirring things up further.

I’m not even sure what point I’m trying to make is, it’s just a marked change being frustrated because we weren’t playing well but in a good position in League One to the current general apathy while an also-ran at best in League Two. Talk about tempering expectations.

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Re: What happens first...

By Sev25/9 08:39Sat Sep 25 08:39:27 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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They say the tough times make the good times better.

Which is all well and good as long as the good times come!

Last few years cricket has become much more enjoyable for me than football.

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Re: What happens first...

By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)25/9 11:27Sat Sep 25 11:27:12 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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My wife and daughter have got tickets for next years T20 finals day.

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Re: What happens first...

By Pete (PeteH)25/9 10:24Sat Sep 25 10:24:35 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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That surely depends if you're a white ball or red ball cricket fan. Because England's Test team are shite. The only reason England won't lose the Ashes this winter is because they won't happen.

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B25/9 08:42Sat Sep 25 08:42:03 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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That is because cricket is brilliant.

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Re: What happens first...

By Freemo25/9 09:37Sat Sep 25 09:37:59 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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I only follow the England men's Test team and I'm not sure I agree any more.

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Re: What happens first...

By Sev25/9 19:55Sat Sep 25 19:55:55 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Haha, I can imagine.

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B25/9 10:21Sat Sep 25 10:21:40 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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No, not a golden period for the men's test team by any stretch. Still good in the white ball stuff. Women's team also good in white ball cricket, sad they only very rarely play tests.

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Re: What happens first...

By SFCfox25/9 08:10Sat Sep 25 08:10:19 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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For me, the main reason we constantly under perform every season is because we hire and fire too quickly. Every season we bin off twenty players and sign twenty more, then expect results from day one with a team full of strangers.

We don't have the money to buy the best players, so we need a process in place where we gradually build the best squad.

Give Revs and co a chance, otherwise it'll be another two+ years of rebuilding, which i can't be bothered with. I don't know the facts, but we must have the highest turnover of players in the football league?

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Re: What happens first...

By AgentEves25/9 14:19Sat Sep 25 14:19:03 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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"Give Revs and co a chance, otherwise it'll be another two+ years of rebuilding."

Mentally, I can't. Revs has been involved with this squad since, what, the start of the 2019-20 season? And we have been fucking shit the entire time, with the exception of the second half of last season where it was shit but we were grinding out reasonably decent results.

I really dont think our turnover has been a) that bad and b) unjustified. The only sacking that I think was unfair was Westley after he got us into the playoffs. We finally got a bit of forward momentum and we changed it unnecessarily. I understand why it happened, but it was stupidity.

Since Westley left for Preston (January 2012) we have had:
> Gary Smith: 13 months. Sacked after losing 14 out of 18 games.
> Graham Westley: 26 months. Not offered a new contract despite us finishing in the League Two playoffs.
> Teddy Sheringham: 8 months. Sacked because it was a stupid experiment and Sheringham never wanted to be there in the first place.
> Darren Sarll: 25 months. I dont remember things being that bad, but I remember feeling like we were going backwards.
> Dino Maamria: 18 months. Sacked after a dreadful start to the 2018-19 season. Some suggested it was too soon at the time, but given everything that has happened since I'm glad to see the back of him.
> Mark Sampson (interim): 3 months. Sacked after 2 wins from 14. Arguably the most boring football I've watched in the last 20 years.
> Graham Westley: 3 months. Sacked after 2 wins from 15. A completely pointless endeavor hiring Westley and giving him 3 months when we knew for a fact that Westley wasn't/isn't a firefighter.
> Alex Revell: 19 months (and counting).

So we went through a bit of a merry-go-round after Dino. We realistically should have stuck with Sampson until after the transfer window, since hiring Westley for 3 months was pointless. But otherwise, I seem to remember that every one of those sackings was justified at the time.

I really dont think Wallace is trigger happy and I really think that most of those managers were given more than enough time to sort things out. If you're not getting reasonably decent results after 12 months in charge, I find it very difficult to believe that things are going to all of a sudden miraculously turn around (obviously there are exceptions). More to the point, I think you need to look at how the manager approaches things during that time, and whether he is showing signs of improving, both as a manager and in terms of results.

Personally, I don't think much has changed since Revell has come in. Sure, there have been upswings and downswings, but there hasn't been a period of time where I have been genuinely happy with Revs in charge. I was convincing myself that things had improved in the 2nd half of last season (and admittedly the results were much better) but it was still brutal to watch most of the time. Then you add in my points about Revs' in-game management and whether he has improved as a manager. Again, I don't think things are any better now than they were a year ago.

In fact, I went and looked up the stats to see if my feeling was correct... So far this season we have played 8 games, with 2 wins (first two games), 2 draws and 4 losses. In the first 8 games of last season we had 1 win, 2 draws and 5 losses. So we are 3pts better off this season than last. Hardly a marked improvement.

Edited by AgentEves at 14:21:23 on 25th September 2021

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B25/9 08:41Sat Sep 25 08:41:16 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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I only started this post as a cheap joke about how tinpot we have been with the new kit launches. Haha.

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B22/9 16:25Wed Sep 22 16:25:01 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Well, that would kill a message board solely based on the discussion of opinions of the club and team.

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Re: What happens first...

By GarstonBoro22/9 18:25Wed Sep 22 18:25:24 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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So only your opinion, or let’s say anti management opinions, count eh?
Good way to shut down discussion but sorry it’s not going to work

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B22/9 18:51Wed Sep 22 18:51:20 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Literally not what I said.

Edit: It was a response based on your last sentence

we should get behind them not speculate on who could do better

Which sounds very much like you're the one who's shutting down discussion. Idle speculation and differing opinions are the point of the forum.

Edited by Owen B at 18:59:16 on 22nd September 2021

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Re: What happens first...

By Pete (PeteH)18/9 20:51Sat Sep 18 20:51:11 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Disagree.

Think we're quite a patience fanbase.

But the results of late have been alarming. I also don't see anyone being hounded out.

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Re: What happens first...

By GarstonBoro22/9 15:53Wed Sep 22 15:53:27 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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We ha had a tough run of fixtures…things will v
Change

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B18/9 20:44Sat Sep 18 20:44:19 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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You really think this is much different to most other League 2 jobs?

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By Ratman4618/9 20:47Sat Sep 18 20:47:26 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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If we won some games and the manager looked like he had a clue I doubt we'd be hounding him out.

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By AgentEves19/9 07:39Sun Sep 19 07:39:11 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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I dont even think winning games is essential.

But the looking like you have a clue is critical.

The season we got relegated with Westley was atrocious, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. We tried every permutation under the sun, and because of Westley being proactive in finding a solution, it meant that there was always the chance that things would turn around. Even after we got relegated, it was still brutal. There were bizarre choices going on but, ultimately, his wacky methodology eventually lead to a winning formula and we got into the playoffs.

My point is not about Westley. Its the fact that even when things were going badly, the negativity didn't take too strong of a hold because at least it felt like he was trying relentlessly to find something that worked. He was actively trying to fix issues and find solutions.

Instead, Revs is just putting the same thing out week after week. And therein lies my biggest complaint; Revs' complete reluctance/inability to change things mid-game or from game to game. Like literally nothing has changed between the start of the season and now.

If you are a coach worth anything, you should be making adjustments throughout the game in order to try and affect the game and get the win. And then between games you should be analyzing your weaknesses and making efforts to mitigate them.

How many times do we have to concede 4 goals in a game before something changes? Once should have been enough.

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By GarstonBoro22/9 15:56Wed Sep 22 15:56:46 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Have you seen what’s on the bench? Revs does what he can with the players available.

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By AgentEves24/9 08:31Fri Sep 24 08:31:07 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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He doesn't though.

He does what he is capable of. Which isn't very much. But I would suggest if he just played a normal fucking formation then we'd at least have half a chance.

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B18/9 20:50Sat Sep 18 20:50:09 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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I'm not entirely sure we're "hounding out" Revs (yet), or at least not the majority. I'm sort of on the fence, but wouldn't be disappointed if he was to go.

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By Ratman4618/9 20:57Sat Sep 18 20:57:00 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Agree, don't think we are.

He'll get more time like I said earlier, probably till Xmas unless we see zero improvement and are bottom at the end of October, who'd want the job then tho.

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By SFC Jonny19/9 08:18Sun Sep 19 08:18:52 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Sampson or Wilkins...

Edited by SFC Jonny at 08:22:29 on 19th September 2021

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Re: What happens first...

By Sev18/9 20:33Sat Sep 18 20:33:01 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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My worry is who we bring in and Wallace's track record.

Could work, could not.

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Re: What happens first...

By Pete (PeteH)18/9 20:52Sat Sep 18 20:52:16 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Jermaine Jenas?

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Re: What happens first...

By Sev18/9 22:15Sat Sep 18 22:15:59 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Sounds about right!

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Re: What happens first...

By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)18/9 20:37Sat Sep 18 20:37:04 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Well this one isn’t working.

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B18/9 19:55Sat Sep 18 19:55:38 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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It really depends whether you still believe Revell has the capacity and ability to improve (considerably) over the course of the next few months. If he doesn't, then we're just wasting time.

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B18/9 19:26Sat Sep 18 19:26:52 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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And the home kit? Still touch and go.

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Re: What happens first...

By Lopo18/9 19:44Sat Sep 18 19:44:09 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Next years will go on sale first.

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Re: What happens first...

By Pete (PeteH)18/9 20:47Sat Sep 18 20:47:25 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Do we have an away shirt yet?

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Re: What happens first...

By Owen B18/9 20:48Sat Sep 18 20:48:34 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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No. We have released the third shirt. The home shirt is going on sale in October (!). And the away kit is yet to be unveiled. Perfectly normal club.

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Re: What happens first...

By Sev18/9 22:17Sat Sep 18 22:17:00 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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This coming week we should get sight of the away shirt. How exciting. Maybe we will wear it. Just as everyone buys the purple shirt, it won't be worn again.

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Re: What happens first...

By GarstonBoro22/9 15:58Wed Sep 22 15:58:03 2021In response to Re: What happens first... Top of thread

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Fair play to people with £40 to throw away

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