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Too much football?

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)6/10 16:31Wed Oct 6 16:31:20 2021

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With the debate about cutting the PL to 18 clubs and some managers moaning about fixture congestion, should we be looking for a reduction in fixtures, league and cup(s)?

Given the limitations on squad sizes should we be binning the lesser trophies or reducing the league by a couple of teams so we don't play twice a week quite as often?

Would the reduced schedule deliver better match quality with more training and coaching time available?

It might reduce income a bit but given we make virtually nothing from the league cup and no-one cares about the Papa John Cup maybe they could go and no-one would miss them.

And the HSC //sarcasm//

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By S4 Boro7/10 17:23Thu Oct 7 17:23:51 2021In response to Too much football? Top of thread

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The premier league should be left how it is.

If anything in football is going to change, then it should be the national league which should be, 3 up for promotion.

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Re: Too much football?

By Chuds7/10 17:30Thu Oct 7 17:30:13 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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In order to hasten our return to our roots?

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Re: Too much football?

By Old_man6/10 20:43Wed Oct 6 20:43:11 2021In response to Too much football? Top of thread

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They complain about too many games but it doesn't stop them going off on Asian tours in the summer

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Re: Too much football?

By Sev6/10 19:00Wed Oct 6 19:00:39 2021In response to Too much football? Top of thread

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I don't think the PL should be reduced.

But I do think the world cup and euro finals should have fewer teams and definitely shouldn't be every 2 years.

Same with the European domestic competitions. Too many irrelevant games. Make the champions league half the size it is, get rid of whatever the conference league is.

Get rid of whatever competition it was we played in yesterday too.

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Re: Too much football?

By Ratman467/10 10:35Thu Oct 7 10:35:32 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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Agree with this, the big clubs are happy to play more games in Europe and tours around the world at the expense of playing games at home.

Cut those down first before messing around with the PL/EFL.

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Re: Too much football?

By Chuds6/10 18:29Wed Oct 6 18:29:56 2021In response to Too much football? Top of thread

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The main moaners are the pricks on charge of the top PL clubs, who have hundreds of players at their disposal and only have so many games because of the group stages in European football.

But they don't want to lose them because of £££ and would rather deprive lower league clubs of gate receipts instead.

So, quite frankly, fuck them and I hope they die.

Edit: Phone changed moaners to meanders. I love me a river.

Edit 2: And you know if they reduced the number of teams they wouldn't be reducing the ST costs (would
either not address it at all or put it down to less income from fewer games) and as usual it would be the fans getting hit.

Edited by Chuds at 18:30:38 on 6th October 2021
Edited by Chuds at 18:32:41 on 6th October 2021

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Re: Too much football?

By Owen B7/10 08:29Thu Oct 7 08:29:58 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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One day fans will realise how boring and pointless much of the Champions League group stages are.

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Re: Too much football?

By Tucks6/10 16:47Wed Oct 6 16:47:04 2021In response to Too much football? Top of thread

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Not enough football more like.

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Re: Too much football?

By Nate6/10 16:42Wed Oct 6 16:42:16 2021In response to Too much football? Top of thread

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I'd like to see something like: PL stays at 20 teams, and clubs stop playing in the League Cup.
EFL drop the Papa Johns wankfest and the League Cup becomes the EFL Cup (separate it in to North/South halves of the draw for x amount of games if you must, don't care.)

Alternatively, European qualifiers don't play in the League Cup, then PL and Championship teams play the League Cup in round 1, then League 1 and 2 are introduced over the next two rounds (should allow for more Small club vs Big Club ties)

I just think there are too many cup competitions.

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Re: Too much football?

By Owen B6/10 16:37Wed Oct 6 16:37:42 2021In response to Too much football? Top of thread

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I quite like the league cup and enjoy how much some Premier League managers moan about it. We usually only play one game.

They can bin off the Papa John's. It was ruined by the U21s being involved.

Would like to keep the same number of teams in the division though.

They're already getting rid of FA Cup replays. Wankers.

Fed up of pandering to the Premier League, so wouldn't mind just doing whatever is going to fuck Pep off most.

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Re: Too much football?

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)6/10 18:40Wed Oct 6 18:40:43 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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I kinda wish the 'big 6' would fuck off to a European Super League.

Ruin the PL TV money model. Watch the remaining PL clubs and their owners cry.

In true Dominic Cummings style, break it and rebiild it. Settle EFL wages back at an affordable level across the board.

Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 18:41:34 on 6th October 2021

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Re: Too much football?

By AgentEves6/10 19:34Wed Oct 6 19:34:21 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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I think the unfortunate reality is that the ESL would ruin most domestic teams. The ESL teams would hoard players even more than they do currently, especially academy players, because they would have the most money at their disposal. While I agree in principle that getting rid of the oil-money teams from the PL would be a good thing, I think the reality is that the consequences would be more negative than positive.

I think salary caps are a dead end, unless every league buys into it. As soon as you introduce a salary cap into the PL, there would be a mass exodus. Even if you introduced a salary cap across all the top European leagues, there would still be an exodus, but everyone would be going to Qatar, China, etc. instead. And you can guarantee that as soon as European leagues introduced a Salary cap, MLS would abandon theirs in a bid to attract all the players looking for more money.

I really, truly believe that limiting squad sizes (particularly youth squad sizes) would make a big, big difference, without really needing to tear up the formula that is currently being used. There is a strong argument to be made that having as many young players training with the top clubs (and coaches) as possible is a good thing for English football, but I think this is completely negated when the vast majority of those players never see the light of day.

In my opinion, all senior squads should be limited to 23 registered players. If a player is loaned out, it must be a year-long loan, and there should be restrictions on the number of players a team can loan out to teams in the same division, as well as restrictions on age (for example, a team can only loan a player to a team in the same division if they are under the age of 23 and therefore considered a development player). This would put an end to teams like Chelsea hoarding players like Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Ross Barkley, and purely using them to make money. If a player is over the age of 23, you do not register them in the 23-player squad, and they are not loaned out, then you have to release them. If you must, you can have a tribunal decide a fee for the departing players that are still under contract. In order to not completely shaft the player, if the player is not picked up by a new team, the releasing club should have to pay their wages until the end of their contract (unless the player rejects an equal salary contract from another club).

On top of that, I think U21 and U18 squads should be limited to 23 players also. Players can be called up from the U21 squad and U18 squad into the Senior squad as and when they are needed, but ultimately you are limited to those 74 players for the season, which, in my opinion, is more than enough cover for the season.

The PL will want to avoid anything that diminishes the value of the league, but I think those rule changes would go a long, long way to improving the quality of football throughout the Football League, without having a significant negative impact on the quality of the PL (other than a financial hit for the top clubs who are farming out players).

What would (or at least should happen) is that a lot of the players who are never going to make it into the first team will start to trickle down the system. Also, since teams are a) restricted to only loaning out U23 players and b) only allowed to loan out a limited number of players to PL teams, there will be more good quality, young players loaned out to the Championship (and League One and Two). This in turn will have a knock-on effect, as the Championship teams start to release their fringe players, who will in turn filter down the divisions.

I personally think this would be the ideal solution to improve the overall quality of the Football League, without negatively impacting the quality of the Premier League. Unfortunately, it will never happen, because teams like Chelsea make far too much money from farming out players.

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Re: Too much football?

By SFC Jonny8/10 10:37Fri Oct 8 10:37:33 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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Agree with that. Although the big PL teams would say that 23 isn't enough to compete in the league, in Europe, and in domestic cups too. They'd probably bin off the league cup as a result.

Maybe up it to 25 or something, or have a rule where academy players can be used in the league cup?

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By AgentEves8/10 23:00Fri Oct 8 23:00:22 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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"Maybe up it to 25 or something, or have a rule where academy players can be used in the league cup?"

On top of that, I think U21 and U18 squads should be limited to 23 players also. Players can be called up from the U21 squad and U18 squad into the Senior squad as and when they are needed, but ultimately you are limited to those 74 players for the season, which, in my opinion, is more than enough cover for the season.

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Re: Too much football?

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)8/10 12:21Fri Oct 8 12:21:07 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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If we get penalised for playing weakened teams in certain cups why should they be allowed to play their kids?

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Re: Too much football?

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)6/10 21:08Wed Oct 6 21:08:48 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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Giving it that much thought can't be good for your health.

You really need to have more sex ;)

But I can't really disagree with your ideas.

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By AgentEves6/10 21:20Wed Oct 6 21:20:26 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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The limited squad size thing is just what MLS does - which I learned when I first moved here and started trying to understand what the fuck was going on - and I just think it would work pretty well if it was adapted and implemented elsewhere.

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By Owen B6/10 19:31Wed Oct 6 19:31:57 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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I'm not convinced that it would be, in any way, be built back for the benefit of all clubs - big and small. Football is full of arseholes. For every Andy Holt, who seems to love Accrington and football, there's probably ten chairmen who are absolute c-units.

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By AgentEves6/10 19:39Wed Oct 6 19:39:59 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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I think the big issue is that a lot of Chairmen have come up with creative ways to use players as commodities to generate revenue (such as loaning players out to other clubs for a fee). Now you have teams purchasing a player with zero intention of playing them, and purely to make money from them.

If you then turn around and tell those Chairmen that they can't do that anymore, you're moving the goalposts, which will piss a lot of people off. Ultimately the PL wants those big-money chairmen in the league, because they bring in the world's best players, so they're not going to do anything that might make them take their money elsewhere.

It's a sad reality, but while Sky making more football available to watch on TV was initially a great novelty, it has ultimately ruined the game. There weren't solid enough foundations in place to prevent people from abusing the system, and now we have multi-millionaires running football teams like they're commodity traders.

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Re: Too much football?

By Ratman467/10 11:13Thu Oct 7 11:13:13 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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This series was good watch on the BBC, episode 4 covers the time when the PL exploded and as you say billionaires started to take interest and buying clubs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p09mqvs0/fever-pitch-the-rise-of-the-premier-league-series-1-episode-4

Murdoch failed in buying Man Utd due to the supporters but all they did was delay the inevitable and ended up with the Glaziers who they hate as well.

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Re: Too much football?

By Freemo6/10 20:39Wed Oct 6 20:39:37 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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Haven't even we had a go at this sort of thing? Kevin Lokko being one that comes to mind.

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By AgentEves6/10 21:21Wed Oct 6 21:21:59 2021In response to Re: Too much football? Top of thread

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I suspect the problem is the lack of money available in non-league football. The vast, vast majority of signings are free transfers, and I can't imagine there's many clubs who have the cash to be paying for a loanee of questionable ability from League Two.

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