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Genuinely Curious

By AgentEves16/10 23:18Sat Oct 16 23:18:10 2021

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If Westley was offered the job as manager, was given a reasonable budget and a decent amount of time (the rest of this season and all of next season) to construct a winning team... would you have faith that he could do it? If not, why not?

I'm not totally sure how I'd feel about re-hiring Westley. I think it has more potential to fail than be good, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks.

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By Deltic 21 (Spirit of East Coast Boro)19/10 19:37Tue Oct 19 19:37:46 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Yes. I’d suck him dry! Bring on the Wezzle.

*this may not be serious*

Edited by Spirit of East Coast Boro at 19:50:51 on 19th October 2021

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)19/10 19:53Tue Oct 19 19:53:53 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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You’d get a sore mouth long before you dried him out.

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By Deltic 21 (Spirit of East Coast Boro)19/10 20:47Tue Oct 19 20:47:50 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I’d give it a go though.

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By Freemo19/10 20:49Tue Oct 19 20:49:04 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

Views: 183

AIMITA

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By Deltic 21 (Spirit of East Coast Boro)19/10 20:49Tue Oct 19 20:49:54 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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:-))))

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By Rotterdamboro18/10 10:27Mon Oct 18 10:27:48 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I’ve been told he will be sacked if we lose at Northampton tomorrow

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By Bragbury10618/10 16:02Mon Oct 18 16:02:55 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

Views: 377

no chance of that.

if the team starts playing from the start of the game we will win.

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By Paulio18/10 18:48Mon Oct 18 18:48:04 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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We’d have won 0-2 against Oldham

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By Pete (PeteH)18/10 18:24Mon Oct 18 18:24:37 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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No we won't.

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By Themessiah18/10 13:22Mon Oct 18 13:22:51 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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If true and we lose let me guess the Cowley's are coming

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By Rotterdamboro18/10 15:52Mon Oct 18 15:52:26 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Funny you should mention that…

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By Themessiah18/10 16:03Mon Oct 18 16:03:18 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I doubt it mate, u spouted the same shite last season at exactly the same point

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By Rotterdamboro18/10 18:26Mon Oct 18 18:26:13 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Cowleys are struggling at Pompey and owner ready to pull the trigger. They were on the verge of joining Boro before Pompey job came up and Wallace has stayed in touch

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By Themessiah18/10 19:16Mon Oct 18 19:16:35 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Believe it when I see it mate

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)18/10 11:47Mon Oct 18 11:47:07 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I have heard the same

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By Hitchin Callling18/10 11:54Mon Oct 18 11:54:40 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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So PW called you as well ?

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)18/10 16:00Mon Oct 18 16:00:35 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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No.

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By Themessiah18/10 16:55Mon Oct 18 16:55:05 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Wats no to mate

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)18/10 17:12Mon Oct 18 17:12:14 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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He didn’t call me.

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By Themessiah18/10 17:20Mon Oct 18 17:20:38 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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One of sources then was it, which one Heinz or HP

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)18/10 18:26Mon Oct 18 18:26:24 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Phil

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By Themessiah18/10 19:18Mon Oct 18 19:18:09 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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What Mitchell

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By Specky (Mike H)18/10 13:31Mon Oct 18 13:31:13 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Hmmmm not had my call yet?

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By Themessiah18/10 10:58Mon Oct 18 10:58:06 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Who by

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By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)18/10 10:42Mon Oct 18 10:42:20 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Won't happen.

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By Hitchin Callling18/10 10:32Mon Oct 18 10:32:29 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Did Phil call you ?

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Steve Bruce as new manager?

By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)17/10 18:46Sun Oct 17 18:46:26 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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He’ll be available tomorrow.

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Re: Steve Bruce as new manager?

By Themessiah17/10 18:51Sun Oct 17 18:51:09 2021In response to Steve Bruce as new manager?Top of thread

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Fuck off lol

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By Owen B17/10 10:39Sun Oct 17 10:39:00 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I think his time has passed, although I'm still baffled why he gets a bad wrap in some quarters. The trouble is, he's never going to get the job when he has 18 months to start a project, overhaul the club, etc. as the job will only come up when we need an element of fire fighting.

We should be looking at managers who have a track record of working with the players they have been given in the first instance and then able to gradually evolve the squad. The playing staff this season is probably a notch above last season, so a fairly good manager should be able to get a tune out of them. GW would probably piss half of them off and get a load of shit loan players in from the National League.

That being said, I'd love GW to come back and be amazing, as the club's soul was lost from the club on that night in the play off semi finals vs Southend.

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By S4 Boro17/10 12:36Sun Oct 17 12:36:34 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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After that Southend game the club has been ruined ever since by very bad managerial appointments.

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By Owen B17/10 12:38Sun Oct 17 12:38:00 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I'm not even sure it was just to do with who we've appointed. It's just a feeling that something changed in that moment and not for the better.

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By Telboy18/10 12:27Mon Oct 18 12:27:04 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Stevenage as a league club has certainly become more corporate...understandable due to the extra costs incurred to fund a league club.

It goes hand in hand with progress up the pyramid...the further up you travel....the less inclusive are the fans.

It is for us to make the choice...if we don't like what we see, we can step down and watch teams in non-league.

Saying all of this, when you have travelled up and down the country, over many years following our team, it is hard to break that bond...there is the dilemma!

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By Tucks17/10 18:53Sun Oct 17 18:53:29 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Left that night having watched a backs to the wall Boro performance. We came up short but not for want of trying. Pretty much a team full of cloggers too. The green shoots were there for a real tilt at promotion the following season. Got home, heard GW’s post-match interview and that was pretty much the moment I disconnected from the club. Haven’t felt the same way about us ever since. That’s a very long time ago now.

Was it worth it for a new stand? For a bottle bar for a couple of years? For BK/Amazon sponsorship? For winning off the pitch? Absolutely not.

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By Owen B17/10 19:02Sun Oct 17 19:02:49 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Absolutely the same for me too. And no doubt we're not the only two people who feel the same way.

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By Mr Happy SFC17/10 20:22Sun Oct 17 20:22:25 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Me too. We lost our way at that point and haven't found it again.

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By AgentEves17/10 17:47Sun Oct 17 17:47:49 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I think it started the year we got promoted. But we were flying so we didn't really care. The shift to the white jerseys because it was "better for branding". Then the following year we dropped the Borough. Then we brought in Webber, sacked Westley and appointed Sheringham. The latest in the long line of tragedies is the fucking ludicrous badge redesign.

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By SFA17/10 18:09Sun Oct 17 18:09:43 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Agree on all your other points, but I actually quite liked the white shirts/red shorts as it was unique in the FL. Though this may just be because there are so many fond memories associated with those kits, and less fond memories with everything since ...

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By AgentEves18/10 06:15Mon Oct 18 06:15:22 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I dont dislike the white with red, and I actually prefer it to the red and white vertical stripes. But it was the first moment when I noticed a change that was made for the purpose of "branding".

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By Owen B17/10 18:20Sun Oct 17 18:20:44 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Regarding kits, I just wish we'd decide on a basic theme, whatever it is, and stick with it. We have no identity when it comes to kit. Sometimes stripes, sometimes random, sometimes plain.

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By AgentEves18/10 06:19Mon Oct 18 06:19:33 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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If Phil decided he wanted to go the white shirts with red shorts and socks route, he should have stuck to his guns. We've had some fucking horrible kits, and it's far more difficult to fuck up a white shirt with red trim.

But I agree. Fuck around with the away/third kit as much as you like. The home kit should be consistent. You don't see West Ham turn around one year and randomly decide they want to play in claret and blue stripes. Or Man Utd decide they're going for a cheeky little hooped number.

Edited by AgentEves at 06:19:48 on 18th October 2021

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By S4 Boro17/10 12:41Sun Oct 17 12:41:44 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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The connection between the players and fans certainly went after that season.

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By Balders (BALDOCKBORO)17/10 09:34Sun Oct 17 09:34:31 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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No.

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By Ratman4617/10 14:23Sun Oct 17 14:23:02 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Agree, GW isn't the answer

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By Sev17/10 08:44Sun Oct 17 08:44:44 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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The fact you're even asking the question is going to make Chuds blood boil.

Westley is the past and isn't the answer every time a manager has a wobble.

Given our history etc I dont think it would be a good move. Our fans are too split on the subject, it requires a massive overhaul and "prohect" that I think is better suited if you're a conference side.

Also the game has moved on and it would be hard to find the type of players Westley needs at this level who would buy into Westley.

So it's a definite no. We had great times and he will always be one of our greatest managers. Leave it like that.

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By SFCfox17/10 09:58Sun Oct 17 09:58:42 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Everything about this season so far stinks of every other season since the Westley dream ended back in 2012.

- Started poorly
- Too many injuries
- Fans screaming out for change

Perhaps this is where we are now as a club until we find better investment? PW is trying to find a diamond in the rough because he isn't prepared to stump up big bucks on a team challenging for promotion. Which, going by our home attendances i don't blame him at all.

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By Owen B17/10 10:11Sun Oct 17 10:11:42 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Half the issue is that PW won't put the budget into securing a decent manager, it always seems to be the cheap option. The manager (or head coach, whatever the title) is the most important member of staff on the playing side at a club and we're hiring a random ex-player with no experience. Baffling.

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By S4 Boro17/10 16:44Sun Oct 17 16:44:17 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Wayne Turner as manager was baffling.

Gary Smith as manager was baffling.

Teddy Sheringham as manager was baffling and very silly idea just to try and get bigger crowds which failed.

Alex Revell as manager baffling indeed.

The only two decent appointments Wallace has made was Westley and Stimson.

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By AgentEves17/10 17:54Sun Oct 17 17:54:40 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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"Gary Smith as manager was baffling."

Strongly disagree. This had everything to suggest it was going to work. He won the MLS Cup with a very, very average Colorado side, who are a small market team with a small budget (relative to other MLS teams). I think Gary Smith was the best appointment we've made in recent years. He obviously turned out to be shit cos he signed a bunch of mercenaries, but on paper he was a good appointment.

Interestingly, his current team, Nashville, are 2nd in the Eastern Conference and 5th overall in MLS. They're another smaller market team with a smaller than average budget, and this is only their 2nd season in the league. Usually teams are shit for their first few seasons while they build a squad.

Gary Smith is a decent MLS manager, he was just shit with us.

Edited by AgentEves at 17:55:07 on 17th October 2021

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By Sev17/10 18:32Sun Oct 17 18:32:03 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Perhaps his signing were Hunters? I dont know how much knowledge of the English lower leagues he would have had, so maybe relied on scouts and recruitment people to bring in the type of player he wanted.

He'd probably do alright in League 2 with this set of players.

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By AgentEves18/10 06:20Mon Oct 18 06:20:49 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Very good point.

For what it's worth, I actually liked Haber, despite him being a complete twat. He was very good at certain aspects, and I think if had a player playing off of him, instead of relying on Greg Fucking Tansey playing as a 10, he'd have been much more influential.

Edited by AgentEves at 06:23:30 on 18th October 2021

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)17/10 16:49Sun Oct 17 16:49:33 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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What about Sarllz?

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By Owen B17/10 17:05Sun Oct 17 17:05:40 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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What about Peter Taylor?

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By S4 Boro17/10 17:26Sun Oct 17 17:26:42 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Knew there was another baffling appointment but totally forgot about that time when Taylor was in charge. Darren Sarll on the other hand I thought was going to do better but how shit that turned out to be.

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By Sev17/10 17:53Sun Oct 17 17:53:08 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Dino was good... initially.

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By Themessiah17/10 18:08Sun Oct 17 18:08:04 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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When Dino was sacked Wallace should have got rid of the lot of em

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By Owen B17/10 17:28Sun Oct 17 17:28:44 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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We all tried to forget Peter Taylor

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By Themessiah17/10 17:21Sun Oct 17 17:21:47 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Sarll wasn't too bad, Taylor was absolutely dogshit

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By Sev17/10 10:05Sun Oct 17 10:05:34 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I'm generally in favour of building rather than rebuilding.

So I'd always give a fair chance to a manager. It will only take a run of a couple of games and we would be back in contention near in the too half.

If we were to choose a new manager (and I think it's still too early for that) then I would want one who can build on what we have rather than start again.

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By AgentEves17/10 17:59Sun Oct 17 17:59:14 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I'm curious why people think it's too early to sack Revell. He's been in charge for more than enough time. Granted, last season was difficult cos we signed a bunch of Conference players, but I haven't really seen anything to suggest he can turn it around. Have you?

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By Sev17/10 18:33Sun Oct 17 18:33:54 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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More of a case that it still early days and no need to panic. I wouldn't be outraged if he was sacked but not actively calling for it.

I cant see much changing in terms of input but perhaps output might somehow change. We have recently changed to 442 so demonstrates he is trying to evolve.

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By AgentEves18/10 06:25Mon Oct 18 06:25:24 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Yeah, the point about 4-4-2 is fair, although you could argue that it took way too long to switch. But yeah, it's not like he's standing there being useless with his hands in his pockets the entire time.

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By Tucks18/10 07:37Mon Oct 18 07:37:18 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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There’s also the small matter of now playing 4-4-2 with (arguably) only one natural winger at the club.

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By Steve 197017/10 01:33Sun Oct 17 01:33:58 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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No text

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By Freemo17/10 00:36Sun Oct 17 00:36:15 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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It's a decade since he peaked, his experience at other clubs has ranged from underwhelming to embarrassing (the sack at Peterborough seemed premature but maybe the players were in MacAnthony's ear?). Let's be generous and write off his last spell as impossible due to the squad and position he inherited (and ignore the way he conducted himself and signed anything with a pulse).

We know that things under GW usually look pretty grotty before they improve. GWIII took us down and had us solidly bottom half in L2 at Christmas when it turned around. Things are poor as it is.

Say we're in 22nd, losing most weeks, struggling to score or keep clean sheets. Reeves, Reid, Norris and Coker are training with the kids and have been replaced by loanees from Wealdstone. List is at LB.

Do we all really go "It's all part of the magic!" and hope he's still got it? Do we even stake the League place He won us on giving Him the redemption story we romantically cling to?

Also back then, he had something to prove, which led to him managing a Proper Club up north. If he fails this time he just goes back to doing whatever it is he does now.

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By AgentEves17/10 07:07Sun Oct 17 07:07:43 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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List at LB... lol.

I think the last paragraph is spot on.

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By Ogs (Geoff Wode)17/10 00:35Sun Oct 17 00:35:10 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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“The past was yours, the future’s mine”, Ian Brown, 1989.

Then again, the stupid fucker’s 5 years older than Westley, so I hope he sings this with irony these days.

In answer to your question, yeah, why not. It would demonstrate just how tinpot we are.

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By Paulio17/10 00:17Sun Oct 17 00:17:35 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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No.

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Re: Genuinely Curious

By Tucks16/10 23:59Sat Oct 16 23:59:40 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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Honestly, I’m not sure if he could deliver now. The part of me that thinks he could is perhaps living in the past. He’d definitely build a well drilled team. The football could well be dire though.

If you’re a club bringing GW in you do three things. 1) Bring him in during the off season. Rescue missions are not his forte. 2) Give him time. He has his specific ways and ideologies that take time to implement. Plus he has to get the whole squad on the weights. 3) Expect and allow him to rip the entire thing up and start again.

I’d love to see him back and doing well. But I’d love to win the lottery (would help if I played it). We need a Westley for the TikTok generation in short.

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By Lopo16/10 23:43Sat Oct 16 23:43:56 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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As good as that one spell was, every other spell has been below par at best. Atrocious at worst, especially more recently.

Running back to him would be a safety blanket for PW but I can’t see it working out. He’s had several chapters in the book. Time to move on in my opinion.

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By BedsBoro16/10 23:28Sat Oct 16 23:28:54 2021In response to Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I think he's great but I wonder if he carries too much of a stigma now - players talk and he seems to be infamous in football circles based on what you hear on podcasts/interviews. I can't imagine too many of the current squad being overly excited if they heard he was coming in for example.

I'm pretty sure he would be successful (relatively) again in those circumstances but it would be such a divisive move.

There has to be someone out there who would demand the same work rate and hunger from a team while actually knowing a few things tactically, I just really doubt our ability to find them.

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By AgentEves17/10 07:00Sun Oct 17 07:00:28 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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"There has to be someone out there who would demand the same work rate and hunger from a team while actually knowing a few things tactically."

I think there's a certain charisma to Westley that is often overlooked. He convinced people to buy in. He convinced people to persevere, even when it was shit. He knew how to get the fans on board.

We just need someone we believe in, instead of someone who we are all hoping comes good. We went into the game today with people saying that the Boro charity will gift Oldham their first home win of the season. Under Westley, we believed we would beat Newcastle. Like, there was no hesitation. We were going to win that game. And we fucking ripped them to pieces.

Westley was a poor man's Brian Clough, and I doubt there'll be many more like him.

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By SFC Jonny17/10 11:05Sun Oct 17 11:05:57 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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He's a club legend, but I think he's had his time. Another GW appointment would be a backwards step, although I have a huge amount of respect for him.

I would like someone with similar mindset, who is able to motivate the players, but maybe with some more modern tactics, and who can relate to the squad we have now. Aside from the brief spell last season, he's been out of the game for a while.

I feel like GW would want to get rid of our players and start again, but on paper we have a good team, probably the best we've had in years, if they are on form and used right. We need to build on what we have.

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By AgentEves17/10 18:00Sun Oct 17 18:00:18 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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I dont think you're wrong. This squad is good, on paper at least. It's missing a bit more... umph, but otherwise the basis is there.

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By Ogs (Geoff Wode)17/10 11:54Sun Oct 17 11:54:43 2021In response to Re: Genuinely CuriousTop of thread

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That last paragraph sums it up nicely.

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