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Who was you expecting as Manager
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So, there seems to be a lot of pissed off people over the appointment, people saying they are done with the club etc etc, out of interest, exactly who were you expecting to become manager, what would attract a proven manager to come to Stevenage, remember were a still little old Stevenage, a small budget by comparison to most clubs in league 1, so why would you expect someone with a proven track record to come to Stevenage?
The timing was right for Evans to come to a club like ours, it was a win win for him, nothing to lose and the chance to enhance his reputation again with a small club budget
One of the most sensible comments I've seen was from Chuds saying our club would been seen as a step down by a lot of managers/coaches
Whilst I am not excited about the appointment, I wasn't surprised as I have been around long enough to know how the chairman operates, I don't attend anywhere near as often as I use too, but still attend regularly, I support the club not the manager and will give 100% backing when I do attend and will back the management team 100% until proven otherwise.
Next season was likely to be a season of compromise and trying to stay in league 1 even if Evans had stayed and who's to say maybe a downturn in form was due to his head being turned before officially being approached
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Jurgen Klopp.
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Actually that's the point.It has been discussed to death but even after the Evans effect we are seen asa small club EG Duff was
a non starter .Even forgetting about his salary our budget would put his sort off .
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Reappointing Alex Revell as manager feels akin to repeating past mistakes with managers like Peter Taylor, Paul Tisdale, and Wayne Turner. In my view, it's a regressive decision and a significant step backwards.
Wallace is taking a significant gamble here.
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In what way would you compare Revs to Taylor or Tisdale?
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All 3 we're crap managers at the club.
Why don't you go to games anymore ? Just curious as to know why, as other then the 2022/23 season and first half of the 2023/24 season you haven't missed a lot.
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Didn’t like Taylor’s football but he was an excellent manager before us, and iirc has one of the highest win % any Stevenage manager has?
I got bored of football when we got into league one first time round. Now I have picked up an interest again I run a music venue so rarely get Saturdays free to go to games.
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What music venue?
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Corn Exchange in Hertford.
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Nice venue. Haven't been for a while. I'll keep an eye out for anything upcoming i fancy.
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They’re all men.
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Innocent men
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The fashion police may take umbrage with that.
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"so why would you expect someone with a proven track record to come to Stevenage?"
Same reason Evans did.
You can't ask that question then try to make out that Evans was some sort of weird anomaly.
I'd have taken any other manager than one who has already proven he doesn't know what he's doing.
If I'm wrong, great. But I'm not going to be.
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You can't ask that question then try to make out that Evans was some sort of weird anomaly
i didn't say that at all, I said he had nothing to lose by coming to Stevenage, where as younger managers with a proven record, who feel they deserve something "bigger" may see it as a hiding to nothing and wouldn't take the chance of possibly failing at a smaller club
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That’s cleared it up
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"so why would you expect someone with a proven track record to come to Stevenage?"
Same reason Evans did.
I thought exactly the same thing. As the original post makes no sense whatsoever there isn't really any point responding. In fact I think typing needs to be banned on this forum, and we should just have a thumbs up or down emoji. No more words.
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I like this idea.
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In terms of a proven track record, you can also suggest that applies to Paul Tisdale.
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Tisdale wasn't a bad appointment. It just didn't work out. I'd put him in a similar bucket to Gary Smith.
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Slop bucket.
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David Moyes
Got the the experience doesn’t need the money and we will show him a good time in Benidorm.
Even BoroBear said he would buy him a drink
Up the Boro
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Three better options than Revell:
1/ Ginger cat Nala who greets commuters at Stevenage rail station
2/ As mentioned in another thread - next door’s dog
3/ Rod Hull and Emu
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God, what I wouldn't give for Rod Hull and Emu! He’d have them pinned up against the wall by the neck the first time anything went wrong! 😁
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If you are so p****d off with the decision assume you will boycott games unti he goes .
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It was a win win for Evans to come here, but it was also proof that the club can attract proven managers, so after an excellent last season and couple of years in which our reputation and brand has improved drastically the job should be seen as a safe and exciting opportunity for any proven manager to consolidate our position in league 1 for the next few years and beyond … clearly the club have not pursued this option strongly enough and taken the very risky and extremely underwhelming choice of re-appointing a manager who nearly relegated us to non-league in the hope that he has learnt from Evans and is now a better manager than before. I sincerely hope they’re correct and this works out positively for Revs..
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I'm almost certain that Revs talked a good game, and knew all the right things to say about momentum and knowing the lads. I'm certain that he would have interviewed well.
To me, it's another example of Phil's lack of football knowledge getting in the way. That said, his lack of football knowledge has also meant he's been relatively hands off, so swings and roundabouts.
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I know what everyone is saying here. However looking at the list I knew who would or wouldn't come. Ainsworth has hinted he doesn't want a job right now. So we accept that. I wouldn't have been upset if it was him. Would I have wanted Bonner, no. Doesn't fit in with Phil and Leon for me.
Evans was a one off. Irreplaceable really. I'm pretty sure he'll be back one day.
Revs knows these 17 lads and he'll add 5 good players I'm sure.
Don't get me wrong when GW returned the 2nd time I was throwing away the ST renewal. What did I know.......
People change and evolve. I'm ready to believe Revs has and he told me some reasons he felt he is ready too and what he was too lax on the first time around.
But we will see.
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Evans will be back January 2026.
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Still no names you'd fancy then?
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Personally I would have pursued Ainsworth until we got him…
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Fair enough, quite like him myself, but I think he'd want a bigger/better option, he failed at QPR could have possibly built his stock again with us, but if he failed here possibly no coming back from that, who knows.
Tisdale was a good option and relatively proven at the time I thought but that didn't pan out too well
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Agreed on your points, however he is currently out of work and if the club really wanted him and sold him the vision and direction they want the club to go in and then made him a offer appropriate to that vision and his requirements I have no doubt he would have come here. As it would be a good opportunity for him to rebuild his career after QPR.
The first barometer for me on Revs 2.0 will be how many, and who, of the retained players will still be here at the start of next season, how many will jump ship early with transfer requests etc.. also what calibre of player will he attract? If the close season works well for him then it might just work out and prove the doubters wrong..
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Few things with Ainsworth.
He's still getting paid a Champ wage.
He enjoys his music and I think he's living a very nice life presently and isn't looking for a job.
However if one came along he'd want a Derby/Bolton sized budget. Which we ain't giving him. He was never on the list for me. I know other clubs have had conversations with him. Very short ones.
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Ainsworth is taking over in October
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yep, some great points
Here's hoping it works out
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I wouldn’t have wanted Ainsworth because his focus since leaving QPR has been on his music career.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67541872
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Imagine working in the music industry.
Idiot.
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I think our poor form and second half of the season may have put potentials off. If we had finished on a high and good run of form in the playoffs people would have seen our potential.
Now they're probably looking at us thinking we are on a downward path and would be a tough job.
Revell on the other hand has nothing to lose particularly and know the squad already so for him would be a challenge he relishes.
And as for those already at League 2 clubs they'll be wanting to finish the job they're doing win promotion to league one themselves rather than a potential struggle at a new club above.
So all in all there is logic to the Revell appointment whether it is liked or not.
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Totally
But I honestly think next season would have been a different kettle of fish, even if Evans had stayed, but at least we should have a full management team on the bench all season and few of those 50/50's may go our way :0)
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Not someone who managed us a mere 3 years ago with a 26% win ratio that’s for sure.
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any suggestions?
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It's not really a valid point to ask people who we rather the club appointed because we have no visibility of wages, availability, interest etc...
That doesn't mean that we can't criticise the club's decision however. If I was going by a paper-exercise only, I'd rather us taken a random punt on some other unproven manager than reappoint Rev's. His track record speaks for itself...He might be a nice bloke that knows the squad, but you can't just "work hard on the training ground" - which is a phrase horrifically reminiscent of his previous stint - and expect to get results in football.
My biggest concern with the management team we have is the number of year's experience amongst the 3 of them. Evans has more year's experience managing first team football than our entire management team combined. Neil obviously has experience, but only a couple year's experience as an assistant manager. None of them have credible 'successful' experiences as THE decision maker at a club.
I'm not going to mindlessly hate on the club for their decision because no doubt there WAS a reason and I can't believe it's because Rev's is the next Pep after spend 2 years under Evans.
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Good points. Answers well the sort of reverse-withering tone of the original post. It's pretty joyless to say 'little old Stevenage' can't do any better. We may not be attracting brilliant candidates, but we certainly can do better. I will be very happy if he proves me wrong, good lad and all that. But he won't. Cuthbert's appointment fills me with dread. He is a loser unfortunately. These people are kind of the anti-Evans - the reason the last 2 years was so good. The wise shithousery, the brilliant defence, the opportunities taken. THIS LOT IS NICE GUYS yes we get it arrrghhhhhhhghghg!!!!!!
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That’s what I really miss about Evans already. The shithousery, the big character, the ‘them v. us’ mentality. No one likes us and we don’t care. Evans inspired the fight right from the off and all the way through. You *knew* he was leading the club, and using every trick in the book to do so. I don’t feel any of this for the new experiment.
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The squad last season wasn't as good at managing games - losing Norris and Rose
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The them v us attitude comes in when we go on a good win streak.
It disappears when we’re shit.
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The us vs them was also being manufactured by him to deflect from him being cautioned by the officials YET AGAIN.
He missed EIGHT of our matches through suspension last season FFS, and we won none of them in normal time (won one on penalties).
His wily ways may have won us some extra points, but his ill-discipline also cost us plenty of points by him being suspended, as did decisions going against us because of him (whether right or wrong).
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Do you think he took his 15 PGMOL apology emails with him or can we auction them off, framed, for charity?
Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 07:50:57 on 15th May 2024
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Why is Cuthbert a loser.Is it the record of the teams he has played for and am using assuming then all players he had ever played with are also losers
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he was captain of the worst football team to represent Boro in my 35 years watching regularly. He was above average and could be good on his day. As a rookie coach, bringing back his level of failure alarms me. He seems a nice bloke
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Perhaps but not sure this means there is a sweeping statement he is loser.
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He was a standout player in an excellent Orient side at one time, but you know, Tom Soares was a flying winger once.
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am using assuming then all players he had ever played with are also losers
He did play for Woking.
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Anthony Elding
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F*ing Wanker
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Not sure I’ve actually seen anyone say they’re done with the club tbf.
If they have that’s LOLOLs
Anyways, I’d take literally anyone who was available over Revs. But I don’t go to games so it doesn’t really matter 😂
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that's it I'm not buying a season ticket again, i look forward to have free Saturdays again
Fuck this club I'm done with them
waste of time going anymore
are just a few I've seen
Reminds of people calling for people to boycott the club when chipmunk was offered his services :-)
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What’s Wezzle up to? He’d have been better than Revs 👀
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Been playing golf with Dave Beasant last week....
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We met some Brits from Canvey this week who are friends with Beasant's ex partner.
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Dream team. Gives us options for backup keeper too. He must only be about 60 now. Still got a couple years left in him.
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I'd actually take him over Revs, and I hate GW.
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That was all Agent Eves, wasn't it? 🤣
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Of all the football clubs in England little old Stevenage are currently 53rd best.
Sure, we have a budget and may be unfashionable but it’s not unreasonable to expect that we’d be an attractive prospect for an experienced and ambitious manager.
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such as?
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Half the names mentioned since Evans left.
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Ainsworth? Probably see's himself as too big for us
The guy at Crawley, was never going to commit whilst in play offs, probably too late to appoint after the play offs, if they lose, if they win he'd probably stay, are we any bigger than Crawley
Luke Garrad ultimately failed at Boringwood
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From memory, names I've seen people mention were:
McCann
Lindsey
Duff
Ainsworth
Woodman
Cowley
Flynn
Garrard
Whether they were attainable or would be any better I don't know.
There were plenty more in the next manager odds market.
Edited by Sev at 09:32:22 on 13th May 2024
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From that list, Duff is now at Huddersfield who are obviously going to have a much bigger operating budget than us next season.
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Well we better sign Clarke-Harris who has been released by Peterborough....
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Would you say Peter Taylor was attainable when he came here?
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Same could be said for Steve Evans...amazed me that PW managed to get him. PW had all the stars aligned first then it happened.
Talking of Peter Taylor since his appointment only three managers have bettered his record...GW, Mark Roberts and Steve Evans. Football under Taylor was awful!
I guess PW must have had his preferred list but as Chuds says, maybe no takers.
We are where we are, managers never last forever so lets see where Revs takes us.
If it doesn't work then PW's hit list might be more fluid eg in the way we recruited Steve Evans.
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Yes he was out of work
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So was Ainsworth, but you immediately poo pooed that one. It's a no-win conversation tbh.
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I didn't immediately poo poo anything as its been a few days since the appointment I just suggested he'd be looking for a bigger club, i gave an opinion, which seems isn't allowed with out being shouted down
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Whenever anyone says they disagree with you, they're "shouting you down" but when you disagree with them you're "voicing your opinion". Make it make sense.
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you have my humble apologies
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Yet people are not allowed to be miffed about Revs' appointment unless they can reel off a list of potential candidates?
I am miffed, but I hope he does well. Sorry, I don't have a ready list of alternatives for you to approve though.
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where have I said people cant be miffed, I was just asking what exactly they was expecting terms of attracting a "proven" manager, I don't get why people are so miffed, but i don't have a problem with them being miffed at all, in fact I find it quite amusing
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You are furious about people being miffed.
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No where near furious or miffed at all , I was just merely interested in what peoples expectations were regarding a new manager, I didn't realise asking such a question was going to rattle so many cages.
anyway, you said my original post was pointless and not worth replying too, yet you have contributed numerous funny comments :-)
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Its not rattling cages - you asked for opinions and are getting them.
Don't be upset that some of the opinions are different to yours
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being called pointless, inane and not worth replying too amongst other things made me feel I had rattled and few cages, yet very few opinions on the who'd they'd like as manager
I am far from upset I can assure you quite the opposite actually
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You rattled everyone's cages and didn't get rattled one bit. Like everyone else on the internet
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The tone of your replies comes across very clearly as "you can't moan about Revs unless you have better suggestions"
That may not be how you intended to be received, but that's how I read them.
And we are perfectly entitled, based on what we do know, to simply not rate an appointment without posing a better option.
It's not our job to find or identify a decent manager. It's Phil's. We do not have the contacts or the knowledge. He does.
What we do have is a memory of what the new incumbent achieved last time.
FWIW I remain underwhelmed.
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I agree with both sides, but I do think it is pretty fair to ask who the poster believes should have been brought in instead when people slate an appointment.
You don't need to know every applicants, but providing some names gives an idea on the level that person believes should have come in instead, and if ridiculously unrealistic then said person should be SLATED from all sides, with the dislike button turned on just for their posts.
I, for instance, wanted Duff, Lindsey or Clarke, but knew they were highly unrealistic (the fact Duff has gone to Huddersfield shows we had no chance of getting him, whilst Lindsey would be an idiot to have left Crawley for us), so when we appointed Revs I didn't kick off and say we should have brought in other unrealistic people instead.
And as said elsewhere, I am certain that had Revs been top of our list he would have been announced immediately. To me the time it took clearly suggests we tried to get somebody (or somebodies) else and failed, so went with somebody who knows the club and has been heavily involved in the past couple of years of success (as well as some failure previously) rather than taking more of a risk on somebody who has never managed in the FL and who doesn't know the club. I am fine with that.
Edit: And there is also no way on earth that Wallace didn't discuss the feeling of the squad with Pidge and some other senior players. He always does. So those on here saying that all our squad will now be handing in transfer requests, hmm.
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I pay zero attention to the rest of the teams in L1/2 other than a couple of days before and after we play them.inhave no real clue whether a manager is any good unless there is a connection, e.g. Mous.
I do however know what Revs did last time. And to a limited extent, what he has done under Evans.
And I like him, and desperately him to do well.
I just don't think he will.
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Same, I managed to name about 5 League One managers I think a couple of weeks ago I was told the other but I still don't remember any of them.
I can tell you
Portsmouth
Peterborough
Lincoln
Leyton Orient
Stevenage
Northampton (couldn't two weeks ago)
Oh and Rotherham and Huddersfield now
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The odds on Revs took a tumble on the Saturday-ish of Cheltenham which would suggest there was some rumour occuring then.
You know better than me but odds shorten when money goes on?
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No nuance here, thank you.
I agree by and large.
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McCann - No chance
Lindsey - No chance
Duff - No chance
Ainsworth - No thanks
Woodman - No thanks
Cowley - You could argue.
Flynn - No chance
Garrard - No thanks
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From memory, names I've seen people mention were:
McCann - at a bigger club already with Donny
Lindsey - too late too appoint if Crawley win play off
Duff
Ainsworth - thinks he's better than he is, probably wouldn't entertain little ol Stevo, the club with no ambition (quote)
Woodman - possibly, big step from conference to league 1, could see moaners still moaning
Cowley - already employed, compo pay out to get him,
Flynn
Garrard - Failed
Whether they were attainable or would be any better I don't know.
There were plenty more in the next manager odds market.
cant see Phil paying out much compo to get a manager
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Half of those there is no chance we get, the other half I would rather have Revs.
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Stop making sensible comments will you ;-)
Madness with some of the comments madness
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Yep!
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Aye.
We wouldn't be willing to pay a huge amount to buy a manager out of a contract and those in a nice job at the moment probably wouldn't want to risk us anyway even if in a higher league.
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To play devil's advocate, we've literally gone from someone with a proven track record. I think that's why people are questioning this appointment.
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We won the lottery with Evans.
There is no one out there with a similar CV who would consider us.
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yay sanity at last :-)
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yep i get that, but i don't get what people were expecting, do they have delusions of grandeur, expecting a big signing, when ultimately we are seen as a small club with a small budget
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I understand where you're coming from. It's also that Revs has done the job before and he didn't do it very well. The appointment has people a bit baffled, rather than necessarily demanding that we should have installed Mourinho or Ancelotti.
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People not naming names when they vent about this apparently awful appointment that is going to relegate the club, expectations have been high the season just gone, in my opinion Mr Wallace and the board would've crapped their pants had we made it to the championship, so this season consolidate and make do
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I disagree that people should have to put up a list of possible managerial appointments. If people are a bit miffed by the reappointment of Revell, I think that's a fair enough opinion given what's gone before.
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if people are willing to say the the appointment is wrong and the club should appoint this type and that type, give example of what they think should have been appointed, thus adding credence to their points
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Martha from Baby Reindeer.
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A female version of Evans
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A terrified Sir Alex spots him sat front and centre at his latest after dinner gig.
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The real Martha apparently disagrees and is suing the writer for libel or something similar.
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