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Season null and void

By stone ragma26/3 15:28Thu Mar 26 15:28:01 2020

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FA announced season ended immediately and all results will be expunged

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By VS Town (VS Boro)26/3 15:33Thu Mar 26 15:33:56 2020In response to Season null and voidTop of thread

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52052351

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Consequences already

By VS Town (VS Boro)26/3 16:38Thu Mar 26 16:38:44 2020In response to ***** SOURCE *****Top of thread

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South Shields chairman has said he will be asking to appeal and take legal action.


they are 12 points clear (FCUM game in hand) with 9 to play


Whilst sympathise he has as much chance as Boro getting relegated.
If they win, then expect BPA to then do the same.

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Re: Consequences already

By almost average 226/3 17:17Thu Mar 26 17:17:45 2020In response to Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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They are the type of club you've got to feel for as they would have almost certainly won their league . I can understand why a Tamworth would feel aggrieved but with nearly a quarter of the season still to play it was only a possibility they would win the league .
They are still looking at trying to finish the FA cup /trophy & vase and are talking about playing the last couple of rounds at the start of next season whenever that may be .

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Re: Consequences already

By stone ragma26/3 18:03Thu Mar 26 18:03:22 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Going to be very difficult for clubs to start looking at next season

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Re: Consequences already

By MJNB26/3 17:53Thu Mar 26 17:53:01 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Stowmarket Town at step 5 I believe are miles clear too

Won pretty much every game

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Re: Consequences already

By almost average 226/3 19:44Thu Mar 26 19:44:53 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Jersey Bulls who play in the Combined Counties league div 1 ( step 6 ) are twenty points clear and have played a game or two less than the 4 or five teams behind them . They haven't dropped a single point all season and have a goal difference + 70 better than any other team in the division . Now they have reason to feel upset .

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Re: Consequences already

By VS Town (VS Boro)26/3 21:43Thu Mar 26 21:43:36 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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(I wonder) how we would have reacted 12 months ago :)

I think I would have to say that even then I would disagree with this decision.


I also wonder if there are clubs out there who perhaps want/need relegation and have planned for such consequences.
Would, not being relegated, actually have been a good thing for Boro' ?

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Re: Consequences already

By Wotnostrikers27/3 06:19Fri Mar 27 06:19:47 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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You are starting to overthink this a tad VS

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Re: Consequences already

By joetowny (Joe)27/3 07:27Fri Mar 27 07:27:15 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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yes i agree
seeking perfection is commendable
living in the real world ( let alone football ) im afraid falls a long way short

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Re: Consequences already

By Wotnostrikers27/3 08:04Fri Mar 27 08:04:00 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Hear Hear Joe

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Re: Consequences already

By joetowny (Joe)29/3 17:32Sun Mar 29 17:32:49 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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thought i would just mention this
so often on here we are bombarded with opinions on how badly we are run
our predicament is minuscule compared to these figures
the march wage bill 140k ( dont sound much when you say it quick )
average match day takings 25k
60k a month from banqueting facility
EFL parachute payments 16k a month
BUT the wage bill DWARFS all of that
other savings can be worth 50k a season this is akin to pissing into the wind
the owner who wants out ( whats new ) we know all about these matters dont we
pumps in 150k a MONTH and has already written off 10 MILLION !!!!!
idiot ? possibly but he is reviled by the fans for the clubs demise any similarities pro rata ?
you work it out cus i cant
oh and the club Chesterfield
the owner Dave ALLEN . .
no not that one but you could be forgiven for thinking it
BTW they struggle to ply their trade two leagues above the likes of Redditch Barwell etc and US.
we have no rich backer just some local business men a lot to be said for it sometimes
so next time you ( me ) feel like slating Jimmy and co off just stop and pause
happy days

Edited by Joe at 17:35:05 on 29th March 2020

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Re: Consequences already

By VS Town (VS Boro)30/3 08:46Mon Mar 30 08:46:38 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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it's all relative.

Living beyond your means* is the same whether Leeds, Portsmouth, salford, York, Chesterfield, Nuneaton, Redditch, Bedworth or whoever.

I am more sympathetic to the plight faced by the likes of StadiaSafe, Thorn and Smurfwait than anyone else.
WRT Boro 2019/2020. I just would have expected a bit more caution given the events of 2018/19.


* There MAY be an exception to this.
When the Premier league started Ellis was chairman of Villa.
The likes of Man United, Arsenal & Chelsea started spending money; Villa didn't; Ellis kept them financially prudent.
Did Villa miss the bus? They surely should be seen in the same group as what we know now as "the big un's"?
Having said that Leeds also "splashed the cash"...... look what happened to them.

All comes back to "there is no problem with debt, as long as its serviceable"

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Re: Consequences already

By stone ragma30/3 09:06Mon Mar 30 09:06:32 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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The problem is a lot of these owners have no plan, they think they can go into a club chuck money in and success will follow, they then get fed up when it doesn’t happen, walk away and leave clubs in a mess

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Re: Consequences already

By VS Town (VS Boro)30/3 09:42Mon Mar 30 09:42:10 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Thats certainly a part of it. Thing is, the sugar-daddy failures are what we hear about, but (I think) the majority of failures are not down to this.

there is also
* Pressure from supporters (no ambition)
* Over optimistic.
* No contingency. Every penny of expected income is spent.
* They are also fans.

Has anyone ever really come into the Boro' and thrown money about? Perhaps under Phillips but that was not really an individual.

I honestly believe.
1) if owners were upfront and honest with everyone from day-1 supporters will understand. Tough if they don't.
2) Loans (longer than (say) 6 months) should only be issued by banks.
3) "loans" longer than that must be as donations.

THE FA MUST BE MORE PRO ACTIVE

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Re: Consequences already

By stone ragma30/3 11:41Mon Mar 30 11:41:05 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Have long argued that if you are putting money into a football club it should be money you are prepared to lose and not expect to get back,l.

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Re: Consequences already

By joetowny (Joe)30/3 10:30Mon Mar 30 10:30:56 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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ref throwing money at the club
yes Noel Kelly the complete one man show
paid £ 9500 alone for a centre half from Scarborough ( memory ) just one example...in todays terms ??,000
*probably put the best ever on the field for this club
off the field left a lot to be desired imo.
shooter getting involved really ?ucked it up.
* the support from the town was not that good at times...eh ...oh :-)
whatever water under the bridge. you have to get on with what you have

we can all make a case for any situation
we can all pontificate
i was just pointing out the facts that if you dont know what your doing
which it has to be said is rife in football ownership
then it only ends one way

ps i was once told in confidence by an ex Mayor of the Borough something
i would love to see the reaction on here ..... but in my book
being told to stay mum meant just that.

Edited by Joe at 10:34:13 on 30th March 2020
Edited by Joe at 10:36:05 on 30th March 2020

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Re: Consequences already

By stone ragma30/3 11:30Mon Mar 30 11:30:33 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Think people forget re the attendances during Carr reign that there were a lot of unemployed at the time

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Re: Consequences already

By joetowny (Joe)30/3 12:21Mon Mar 30 12:21:10 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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so all the unemployed just happened to be football supporters.
ok im being somewhat flippant ..... but im sure you can see the alternative argument
yes it might have had an effect but in what numbers ???
lets say 20pc who lost their job were football fans and im being very generous. agreed
of those were they all Boro fans ??????
think there is a lot more too it than that.

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Re: Consequences already

By stone ragma30/3 13:53Mon Mar 30 13:53:11 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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It was one factor, as VS said there were several others also

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Re: Consequences already

By VS Town (VS Boro)30/3 11:41Mon Mar 30 11:41:30 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Yes; about 12%.

Also, football popularity took a dip due to poor quality, defensive tactics, England failure(s), poor stadium and primary due to football hooliganism.

Non league was also very, err, non-league.

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Re: Consequences already

By stone ragma29/3 18:48Sun Mar 29 18:48:28 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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That’s just insane and the parachute payments only last a couple of seasons

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Re: Consequences already

By joetowny (Joe)30/3 07:22Mon Mar 30 07:22:59 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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i dont think its just that particular club
there are many examples of clubs living hopelessly beyond their means
at least they chesterfield have a purpose ie to recapture past glories
their problem is the age old one of the more money you throw at something the better it automatically gets
WRONG if the people ( person ) gets it wrong ie bringing in the right manager etc then everything goes out the window

then you have clubs and we can all name one not that far away from us
a nothing club ( in the big picture ) but having MILLIONS thrown at it
for what, why ?? to create a bigger faster better train set... an obsession by some idiot (s)
whatever the reasoning its built on sand when the boredom kicks in funding stops it will collapse
or go into rapid decline it might not be tomorrow or next week but it will happen.
ps they have i believe just signed a striker from Salford god knows what he is being paid let alone the rest
madness.
two stark examples of what football has become.
the present situation could possibly bring some to their senses, we will see.
ta-ra.

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Re: Consequences already

By Wotnostrikers30/3 09:44Mon Mar 30 09:44:47 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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They paid an undisclosed fee for Rooney and like you say Joe his wages won’t be small but perhaps they are living within their means though on their potential gates whichever league they end up in I can’t see it.

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Re: Consequences already

By almost average 227/3 04:22Fri Mar 27 04:22:58 2020In response to Re: Consequences alreadyTop of thread

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Unfortunately its difficult to see all clubs surviving the current situation , and as a result places will naturally appear within the system to promote teams . Hopefully i'm being too negative .

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Table

By VS Town (VS Boro)26/3 16:13Thu Mar 26 16:13:35 2020In response to ***** SOURCE *****Top of thread

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IMO, this is what should be done.

Projected
1) Tamworth - 91 points
2) Royston - 88 points

3) Peterborough - 82 points

11) Nuneaton - 64 points.


1 Tamworth 30 70.0% 6.7% 23.3% 2.10 0.90 +1.20 2.17
2 Royston Town 30 63.3% 20.0% 16.7% 2.07 0.93 +1.13 2.10

3 Peterborough Sports 33 57.6% 24.2% 18.2% 2.73 1.39 +1.33 1.97
4 Bromsgrove Sporting 32 53.1% 18.8% 28.1% 2.50 1.34 +1.16 1.78
5 Coalville Town 30 46.7% 30.0% 23.3% 1.70 1.07 +0.63 1.70
6 Kings Langley 30 50.0% 16.7% 33.3% 1.70 1.37 +0.33 1.67
7 Stourbridge 32 50.0% 15.6% 34.4% 1.66 1.62 +0.03 1.66
8 AFC Rushden & Diamonds 30 46.7% 23.3% 30.0% 1.67 1.50 +0.17 1.63
9 Banbury United 32 43.8% 31.2% 25.0% 1.50 0.97 +0.53 1.62
10 Rushall Olympic 33 45.5% 24.2% 30.3% 1.76 1.30 +0.45 1.61
11 Nuneaton Borough 33 42.4% 24.2% 33.3% 1.73 1.39 +0.33 1.52
12 Barwell 32 43.8% 18.8% 37.5% 1.81 1.69 +0.12 1.50
13 Hednesford Town 32 43.8% 15.6% 40.6% 1.56 1.38 +0.19 1.47
14 Needham Market 33 39.4% 27.3% 33.3% 1.30 1.21 +0.09 1.45
15 Biggleswade Town 30 43.3% 13.3% 43.3% 1.50 1.53 -0.03 1.43
16 Lowestoft Town 33 39.4% 6.1% 54.5% 1.45 1.88 -0.42 1.24
17 Hitchin Town 32 31.2% 28.1% 40.6% 1.34 1.53 -0.19 1.22
18 Stratford Town 33 24.2% 12.1% 63.6% 1.27 2.24 -0.97 0.85
19 Leiston 32 18.8% 25.0% 56.2% 1.22 2.72 -1.50 0.81
20 St Ives Town 33 18.2% 15.2% 66.7% 1.00 2.30 -1.30 0.70
21 Alvechurch 30 13.3% 16.7% 70.0% 0.83 1.93 -1.10 0.57
22 Redditch United 33 9.1% 9.1% 81.8% 0.73 2.70 -1.97 0.36

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Knock on effect

By VS Town (VS Boro)26/3 15:37Thu Mar 26 15:37:28 2020In response to ***** SOURCE *****Top of thread

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I don't agree with this but HEY HO.

However, a knock on effect.

The clubs facing relegation from Conf North/South have absolutely nothing to play for. They probably struggling financially so I know what I would do..... release all non contract players (But I suppose fewer in those leagues)

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Re: Knock on effect

By stone ragma26/3 15:51Thu Mar 26 15:51:51 2020In response to Knock on effectTop of thread

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On the subject of contracted players , do they now become in the same category as restaurant, pub, shop staff etc and now need to claim their wages from the Government as they can’t effectively go to work !

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Re: Knock on effect

By VS Town (VS Boro)26/3 16:09Thu Mar 26 16:09:10 2020In response to Re: Knock on effectTop of thread

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Who knows :)

I would guess YES for the likes of Addlesson as (probably) this is his only job.

(Guess) perhaps thats why it stops at National League level as below that no full-time clubs

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Re: Knock on effect

By stone ragma26/3 16:12Thu Mar 26 16:12:01 2020In response to Re: Knock on effectTop of thread

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Football club is a business that can’t operate because of Covid 19 same as pubs, shops etc so as such players would be treated same as anyone in any other business affected I would think

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Re: Knock on effect

By VS Town (VS Boro)26/3 16:16Thu Mar 26 16:16:25 2020In response to Re: Knock on effectTop of thread

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but (at this level)

part time - so most have another job which would/should always take priority
Non contract - Can only rely on 7 days*


* My company have given 7days notice to all contractors that they are no longer required. Thats a big hit for them as they work full time (and earn good money BUT its also the risk they take)

Does anyone know "day jobs" for our players?
I think many are in coaching - so that will also be hit.

Edited by VS Boro at 16:17:03 on 26th March 2020

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Re: Knock on effect

By stone ragma26/3 16:22Thu Mar 26 16:22:47 2020In response to Re: Knock on effectTop of thread

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JG implied the other week there were a few Boro players for whom the football money was their main income, how many who knows

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Re: Knock on effect

By Minazayedblue27/3 04:41Fri Mar 27 04:41:37 2020In response to Re: Knock on effectTop of thread

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With the proviso I'm in no way personally impacted, as I understand: If the player is engaged on PAYE terms - unlikely - NBFC (the holding company) has to claim from the Government to maintain 80% of his salary pro-rata to a maximum of £2500 per month.

Alternatively, if the player is engaged on 'self employed' terms - more likely - then, if football is his primary income, the player can claim 80% of payments received from NBFC, together with other clubs he may have played for in the past 3 years, as declared on his tax return; the payment is taxable, which takes into account the player's payments from alternative employment on, presumably, PAYE terms.

However, the flaws are fairly obvious.

Firstly, NBFC, in common with many other employers - Wetherspoons come to mind - will simply judge this all-too-difficult and liquidate the holding company / terminate contracts of those 'employed' for less than two years.

Secondly. It would take too long. Suffice: Brown envelopes have been de rigeur for as long as I've followed NBFC's fortunes, which is getting on for 60 years. Nothing unique to the Boro, of course.

Incidentally, the Chancellor made clear the days of football clubs et al engaging staff on self-employed contracts to avoid payment of NI - BBC!! - are at an end. Assuming he follows through with the policy, this could have far wider consequences for football, at all levels, than the current crisis.

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Re: Knock on effect

By VS Town (VS Boro)27/3 08:29Fri Mar 27 08:29:24 2020In response to Re: Knock on effectTop of thread

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good point about being self employed or being employed.


And yes, the chancellor certainly hinted that about self-employed. They have benefitted from tax breaks, but now the government is helping its surely fair they contribute equally.
The gamble for many (in my profession at least) is that whilst being self-employed can be rewarding and comes with freedom it also has the risk when no work is about; the sensible cover for the latter.

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Any source

By VS Town (VS Boro)26/3 15:32Thu Mar 26 15:32:24 2020In response to Season null and voidTop of thread

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Source - I am being lazy :)

I bet the Tamworth forum is interesting :)

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UEFA

By almost average 229/3 13:50Sun Mar 29 13:50:26 2020In response to Any sourceTop of thread

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Comments by the uefa president yesterday that if the season hasn't restarted by the end of June he feels it will be " lost " . The longer this goes on the more i feel the only option is to end this season at all levels and then restart whenever possible . I do feel for certain clubs though .

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Re: UEFA

By VS Town (VS Boro)29/3 14:39Sun Mar 29 14:39:14 2020In response to UEFATop of thread

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Been thinking about this.

There was always going to be some who felt aggrieved no matter what decision.
Scrap league - teams like Tamworth.
Ppg - teams like Peterborough


However - this decision has a number of winners - the failures from the 2019/20 season.
More reason I would rather ppg as the only winners are the losers

As for next season - who knows - start when things are clearer.

Edited by VS Boro at 14:39:53 on 29th March 2020

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