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Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB11/10 21:58Mon Oct 11 21:58:08 2021

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I’m kinda against them from a footballing perspective, especially as the likes of Sutton and Harrogate have had to rip theirs up once in the football league.

However, that’s just a pipe dream being that high. Realistically, we won’t ever be above the national league. Realistically, I can’t even see us back in the national north for some time.

So, at the level we are at, should we be looking at this revenue stream?

Just seen Barwell now have one. Tamworth do. Rushall do. And so on.

It’s regular non match day income, and is becoming the norm.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By bert's dad12/10 09:27Tue Oct 12 09:27:34 2021In response to Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Yes - 4G because we share with Nuns

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:13Mon Oct 11 22:13:50 2021In response to Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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3G pitch for football.

4G pitch for football & rugby...they have a shock pad.

We need to leave the main Stadium pitch as it is...it is good enough to play in League Two...once again we are back to FA rules.

A small-size (3/4 size) 3G pitch outside of the Stadium for Community use would be a very good revenue stream.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB11/10 22:21Mon Oct 11 22:21:56 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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FFS, get this league two idea out your head for now.

We are southern premier.

Without revenue streams, we’ll never be anywhere near the football league.

A 3g/4g pitch may enable us to progress as Harrogate or Sutton did initially.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:24Mon Oct 11 22:24:38 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

Views: 413

I agree.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By bert's dad12/10 09:31Tue Oct 12 09:31:14 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Perhaps the owner of the land should actually pay for something. As a landlord they have a very easy ride.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MP2312/10 11:46Tue Oct 12 11:46:45 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Why should they ?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By bert's dad12/10 12:01Tue Oct 12 12:01:46 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Because some landlords have to pay for things like drainage. Separating the land from the club was a great boost for whoever owns the land and a disaster fir the football club.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London11/10 22:19Mon Oct 11 22:19:10 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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We are nowhere near league 2 - so it’s absolutely irrelevant!
Even if we won back to back promotions (not including this year!) it’s minimum 4 years away - which again is not going to happen!
Not sure what the obsession with EFL standard is to be honest

Edited by NBFC_London at 22:22:28 on 11th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:25Mon Oct 11 22:25:48 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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It's dictated to us by the FA's rules.

It's nothing to with me!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By bert's dad12/10 09:31Tue Oct 12 09:31:57 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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We will never be in the Football League.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB11/10 22:34Mon Oct 11 22:34:47 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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The FA rules currently state we need a ground good enough for southern league premier.

Possibly good enough for national north to compete in southern league premier playoffs.

We comply on all fronts.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By The_Hullablue11/10 22:28Mon Oct 11 22:28:22 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Your fixation with Boro planning for EFL is 100% to do with you.

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How bright should floodlights be in the Conference?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:30Mon Oct 11 22:30:00 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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No...it's the FA rules.

It's nothing to do with me!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 10:48Tue Oct 12 10:48:41 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Come on, VoR, at least be honest with us. There is absolutely nothing in any FA rules to say that a club in our position has to plan for EFL membership. To suggest otherwise is dishonest. Try a bit of research - go down to Liberty Way on Saturday, find a Lowestoft board member and ask how their plans for FL membership are going. Then pop along to Barwell to ask what their plans for EFL membership include. Remember that they are both teams above us in the current football standings.

If they don't need to plan a 1,000 seater stand, then why do we? If we are lucky, we may make it back to National League North within five years. I would not bet on us being any higher than that within 10 years. Please drop the EFL nonsense - it has never happened to us in the past is never likely to happen to us in the future.

Also, you keep referring to "our great club". In footballing terms, we are not a great club. We are not a non-league giant (or sleeping giant). We are a club that had some notable successes over the years and at one time were a pretty big semi-pro club that has since gone bust a few times and is now a small club that barely scrapes by. That's all. Boro is important to us, but is pretty insignificant in the football pyramid and is most likely to stay that way.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London12/10 10:57Tue Oct 12 10:57:20 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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To suggest EFL standard in the same sentence is lunacy and nothing but a pipe dream - VOR, please stop harping on about something that is completely irrelevant at the moment - and don’t say it’s not you, it’s the EFL, because it is YOU suggesting the idea, not the football league!


I’m all for having plans and laying out the future - Greg is correct, the main plan at the moment can not be more than 5 years ahead - and it has to be getting out of this league (upwards) and becoming a stable conf north side - that has to be the short term goal. We are nowhere near looking further ahead than that at the moment! And judging by what is going on in and around the club - I think that even that 5 year plan is extremely ambitious just to get to conf north!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 11:13Tue Oct 12 11:13:15 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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A 5-year plan would be a very sensible place to start.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 11:36Tue Oct 12 11:36:39 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Yes, this. Absolutely this. A sensible 5 year plan detailing how we can maintain our status in our current league or maybe achieve one promotion. Anything else is unlikely in the extreme. So can we please drop all talk of anything like EFL?

Edited by Greg (NBFC) at 11:36:51 on 12th October 2021

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I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By VS Town (VS Boro)12/10 11:47Tue Oct 12 11:47:09 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Plan.

A) What income is expected from gates, sponsorship
B) bills have to be met
C) are improvements imminent and if so what cost

So….
A - B - C = money available to pay for product to satisfy A)

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Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 11:50Tue Oct 12 11:50:37 2021In response to I have a cunning (and simple) plan.Top of thread

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(Putting VoR hat on) Let's talk to Qatar Airways - they are sponsoring lots of sport nowadays. Maybe they will drop a few million on Boro - so let's go for a 10,000 seater stand instead.

Sorry, VoR, the temptation was just too much ;)

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Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By VoR12/10 12:13Tue Oct 12 12:13:57 2021In response to Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.Top of thread

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A bit of humour helps Greg, you are on a roll this morning! lol

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Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By VS Town (VS Boro)12/10 11:57Tue Oct 12 11:57:58 2021In response to Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.Top of thread

Views: 264

Better still.

They give every club in this league a few million so all of them can build FL stadiums, be successful and win things.

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Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By VoR12/10 18:27Tue Oct 12 18:27:32 2021In response to Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.Top of thread

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The Football Stadia Improvement Fund.

Administered by the FA & backed to the hilt by the Premier League.

We can apply to them for grants.

I would suggest that we apply to them for a grant to upgrade our floodlights if/when the time comes...

I believe Stamford received a grant to upgrade their floodlights.

Edited by VoR at 18:28:08 on 12th October 2021

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Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 16:17Wed Oct 13 16:17:22 2021In response to Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.Top of thread

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Stamford has a totally different model to Boro, VoR. Firstly, it's matched funding so we would have to find half of any investment. Secondly, Stamford sold their old ground and developed the new one in partnership with the local college - which is an external study centre for Loughborough Uni and hence has strong sporting connections. Please don't even consider telling me about Stamford - I live there!!!

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Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By VoR13/10 18:34Wed Oct 13 18:34:45 2021In response to Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.Top of thread

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That's a coincidence!

It's just that I believe their floodlights are of the low energy type?

Would that not attract a grant from the FA's Stadia Improvement Fund?

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Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By boropod (BoroughPod)12/10 18:31Tue Oct 12 18:31:29 2021In response to Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.Top of thread

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Not that cunning, we've had money off them before.
Its on a 50/50 basis (well it used to be)

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Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 12:04Tue Oct 12 12:04:57 2021In response to Re: I have a cunning (and simple) plan.Top of thread

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"be successful and win things"

Nah, sorry - you are back into fantasy land.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 10:51Tue Oct 12 10:51:13 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Greg.

They are the FA's rules once you enter the National.

Both Ian Neale & Lee Thorn would have known that.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB12/10 10:53Tue Oct 12 10:53:23 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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You have grace to get your ground up to scratch for the football league. Just as you have grace to get your ground up to the next level up after promotion by 31 March of the following season, or face immediate relegation.

How do you think Sutton got in the football league, despite having a plastic pitch?

How do you think Harrogate got in the football, despite having a plastic pitch and limited seats?

I would have thought VoR would have known that.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 10:55Tue Oct 12 10:55:32 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I agree.

That's stated in the FA rules...but you need to have your plans in place prior to entry...that's all.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 11:01Tue Oct 12 11:01:31 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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VoR, you seem to have researched it in depth. What quality of plan is required? Does a team entering National need to have fully approved building plans for the fabled 1,000 seater stand, or just show that the development is feasible if promotion should happen (I suspect the latter, and if so we already have that).

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By almost average 212/10 13:54Tue Oct 12 13:54:39 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I suspect all you have to do is say yes we will carry out the necessary improvements in the alloted time . Then carry them out . I wonder if Vor has been to grounds like Harrogate or Barrow let alone Kettering , Leamington or Brackley . You really need to stop worrying about LW being upto EFL standard . If we can ever afford to put together a team to finish above Notts County , Grimsby or the newly rich clubs that currently inhabit the National league a few ground improvements won't be a problem .

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 18:34Tue Oct 12 18:34:53 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I've been to Leamington & Brackley.

I was at the Brackley game where Mark Noon had his leg broken, an injury that effectively finished his career.

I believe that Leamington are moving again nearer to the centre of the town...VS posted an article about that last week.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 11:10Tue Oct 12 11:10:42 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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The latter...plans in place, to demonstrate our POTENTIAL for promotion to League Two.

They are the FA rules.

We only need another 500-seater stand to reach 1000 seating capacity.

The FA rules permit us to have two stands to reach that capacity.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 11:44Tue Oct 12 11:44:58 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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So you seem to be saying that we already meet the physical requirements for National League, and we can already show that we have the potential to meet the (unlikely) need for EFL that National League require. In other words, we currently need to make no changes whatsoever (apart from building a winning team) to get to the highest practical level (and match the highest level any incarnation of the club has ever played at). So what in hell has all this been about? Why have you been banging on about bigger stands, more seats etc etc etc? We don't need bigger plans and we probably never will unless the rules change.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 12:28Tue Oct 12 12:28:57 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Please read the document Greg & it will all be explained to you.

Upon entry into the National, we have to demonstrate the potential for entry into the EFL.

We need to have the plans in place to show the FA...demonstrating what we propose to achieve membership.

All we need to show them is that we have drawn up concept plans for a new 500-seater Main Stand & a floodlight upgrade.

That's it...job done.

We are already at 4650 capacity at LW...perfect.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 16:13Wed Oct 13 16:13:42 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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As I understand it, VoR, we don't need detailed plans of developments to be allowed into National League. We can effectively point at the half way line next to our current stand and say "If we are promoted we'll put another 500 seater there and stick another couple of lights on each pylon. Oh, and replace the tannoy wiring." And that's it - requirements met.

If the truly amazing should happen and we won the National, we would then have a year to prepare detailed plans, achieve permission and have it built. It truly is just a massive distraction and total waste of time & resources to do it now.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 17:11Wed Oct 13 17:11:55 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I am not saying we have to do it now, we will be asked the question by the FA when we enter the National.

It's not just a few bulbs on a few pylons, it's a floodlight upgrade from 250 lux to 500 lux.

Assuming we agreed a 10-year rolling lease upon entry in the National, renewing each season, the next MOST CRITICAL item on the agenda would be to agree with NBBC as to whether we can upgrade the floodlights to 500 lux...it will need planning permission (light pollution & all that!).

If we can't get planning permission, we are stuffed & so we will never be able to play in the EFL...that would be a very sad state of affairs.

So:-

1. Lease.

2. Planning permission granted for a floodlight upgrade to 500 lux.

Then move on..

You were talking about Spartan Thistle the other day.

Yes, I remember them, when all of the top teams in Nuneaton joined the Coventry Alliance, from memory, Thistle & Nuneaton Ex-Servicemens stayed in the Nuneaton Amateur League.

Stockingford AA progressed to being one of the top clubs in the area & reached the Midland Combination Division One.

The 'Cabbage' is where JG started his managerial career, I believe.

They were an ambitious club & I believe wanted to progress into the Midland Combination Premier Division.

To do that they needed to erect floodlights at the Piv...
NBBC turned their application down...end of story.

The off-field stuff (2% interest from the fans) links with the on-field stuff (98% interest from the fans) & has to stay 'just in time'.

That's why we need to plan ahead...

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 17:37Wed Oct 13 17:37:33 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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"we will never be able to play in the EFL...that would be a very sad state of affairs"

We never have played at that level and the chances are our playing teams will never be good enough to get us to that level. You seem to have difficulty with that concept. We are at best a National North club. Why do you keep thinking there is a chance of EFL? Is there any evidence, history or justification that makes you think there's a chance?

You seem to think that quoting numbers will blind us to the fact that we are talking in fantasy land!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 18:51Wed Oct 13 18:51:39 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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We don't know what the future holds for the Boro Greg, after we are just a handful of ashes, scattered to the four winds.

We have to plan ahead, so that the youngsters are given the same opportunity that we have had to enjoy some fantastic times following our beloved club.

We owe that to them...

Present.

Future.

Our legacy.

I agree with you that our rightful place in the immediate future, should be a return to the National North & to get away from this 'non-contact/7 days saga!...

I can't settle to that at all!

The process of designing a new Main Stand, obtaining planning permission, sending it out to tender, carrying out value engineering & cost reduction exercises after the tenders have been received, drawing up the Building contract & physically building the structure on site, will take two years, if we want to obtain the best possible design & cost solution.

Then there's the issue of obtaining planning permission for the floodlight upgrade...if we can't achieve that, we can forget about completing Ian Neale's project, by building the new Main Stand.

Plenty to think about there Greg.

Forward planning eh?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 19:33Wed Oct 13 19:33:24 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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"The process of designing a new Main Stand, obtaining planning permission, sending it out to tender, carrying out value engineering & cost reduction exercises after the tenders have been received, drawing up the Building contract & physically building the structure on site, will take two years"

You may want to check how long it took to design and build the whole ground at Liberty Way. I seem to remember that was way less than two years for a whole ground, so are you certain your time estimate is accurate?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 20:32Wed Oct 13 20:32:29 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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We will need to employ an Architect to draw up a concept design first & employ a PQS (Quantity Surveying practice), to produce an accurate budget cost plan, so that we know where we are starting from...that all takes time.

Then we will need to have a debate on how it is going to be funded, before the rest of the process starts.

Also, the length of time to gain a planning permission will be significant.

There will no doubt also be other consultees.

I don't know what the existing infrastructure capability is at LW...for example, will it need a substation upgrade?

Many questions...many answers needed.

Edited by VoR at 20:34:03 on 13th October 2021
Edited by VoR at 20:46:33 on 13th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 20:35Wed Oct 13 20:35:53 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Once again you seem to have misread my question - it's becoming habitual. My question was: I am sure that the whole process of planning, getting permission and building all of the current ground took less than two years. Why do you think the relatively minor changes we may need (but probably won't) within the next 50 years will take longer than a whole ground?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 20:45Wed Oct 13 20:45:27 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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If you read my latest answer followed by my first answer to your questions:-

My latest answer details the issues to be addressed pre-contract.

My first answer details the procedures to be followed once we have secured the finance to allow us to press the GO button.

The time it takes to secure the finance would be a challenge.

That's what I discussed with John on Monday...& what we could do, as the Supporters Co-op to take that in hand.

I think we could come up with a viable plan between us but it's 'little steps'...we couldn't do all of that in 12 months...I would set a target of 2 years on a project like that...

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 21:17Wed Oct 13 21:17:00 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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But why do you think that process would take longer than designing, planning and building a whole ground? That was the question.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 22:08Wed Oct 13 22:08:23 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Because we are starting with no money Greg & it will take time to raise the funds.

Plus we will have to question every aspect of the design & materials specified repeatedly, to make sure we can get best value for money.

We need to prepare a concept design first of all & get it costed.

That will give us a good start.

Then raise the money...how long will that take?...maybe 6 months perhaps?...who knows!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 23:46Wed Oct 13 23:46:39 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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There are three answers to that question:-

1. In the wider sense (& looking at the scale of the development)..the club.

2. In the more specific sense, the club (JG & his investors/backers) have worked tirelessly to reduce the inherited debt (since JG took over ownership) to manageable levels.

3. Again in the more specific sense, I assume that the Supporters Co-op have some money in the Bank.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By The_Hullablue13/10 22:29Wed Oct 13 22:29:26 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Who is we in this context?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By boropod (BoroughPod)13/10 19:17Wed Oct 13 19:17:18 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Joining the National league North will not get us away from the non contract 7 days notice saga.
Quite a few more players will be on contract, but many players in North are not on contract and contacts can be terminated if both parties agree anyway The last season we were there was a right merry go round of players probably with good reason.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VS Town (VS Boro)13/10 17:45Wed Oct 13 17:45:12 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Come on - There was very little evidence that Salford City* would get into the FL....... what have they got that Boro dont have ;)


* And probably every other "traditional" non-league clubs promoted in the last 10+ years.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 19:29Wed Oct 13 19:29:57 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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But they weren't dropping through leagues like a stone with gates of 300.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VS Town (VS Boro)13/10 19:34Wed Oct 13 19:34:42 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I think the sarcasm is lost on you :)


to get to the FL, I would say all "traditional" non-league clubs (and even ex FL clubs probably) have had ££££££££££££s spent on them

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By bert's dad13/10 18:28Wed Oct 13 18:28:58 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Money

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MP2313/10 17:26Wed Oct 13 17:26:03 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Fail to understand the point of all your posts, you are talking for the most part about things that are very unlikely to happen in the next 20 yrs at least, promotion to the EFL is a fantasy so why do we have all these posts about what we need to do to prepare for it, they are meaningless

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By boropod (BoroughPod)13/10 18:48Wed Oct 13 18:48:39 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB13/10 17:17Wed Oct 13 17:17:12 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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''I am not saying we have to do it now, we will be asked the question by the FA when we enter the National.''


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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VS Town (VS Boro)12/10 12:40Tue Oct 12 12:40:20 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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"Upon entry into the National, we have to demonstrate the potential for entry into the EFL.
The wording is vague (something like "has potential"). I certainly see nothing about having plans drawn up

Like Wealdstone perhaps who have more seats but lower capacity



https://www.wealdstone-fc.com/club
The Ground: The Vale, Grosvenor Vale, Ruislip, HA4 6JQ
Capacity: 3,432 (698 seats, 854 covered standing, 1,880 uncovered standing)



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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 12:56Tue Oct 12 12:56:51 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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The potential to upgrade the capacity to 5000 including 1000 seats.

I watched the Wealdstone v Solihull Moors game the other night on BT Sport.

Wealdstone's Stadium is a right hotch potch.

Edited by VoR at 18:38:14 on 12th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VS Town (VS Boro)12/10 13:01Tue Oct 12 13:01:12 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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but they are a conference national club which (at best) the boro could hope for.

How did they manage that!!!! given your view the Boro should be building ready for National.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 18:39Tue Oct 12 18:39:09 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Not building...just planning for the EFL.

Edited by VoR at 18:39:28 on 12th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB12/10 11:51Tue Oct 12 11:51:37 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Me and my brother used to do things like this. When we were in the Beazer Midland. We'd get a pad and paper out and design grounds for Boro with fancy stands etc.

It was 1994. He was 12. I was 8.....

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By mark-nbfc12/10 11:56Tue Oct 12 11:56:15 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I still spend far, far too much time working out what I would do with the Boro if I won the lottery.

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Hope is not a plan.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 18:47Tue Oct 12 18:47:23 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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You wouldn't have to do much Mark.

Just need to build a 500-seater Main Stand, upgrade the floodlights to 500 lux (from 250 lux) & install an audible tannoy system that can be heard all around the ground.

Ian Neale has done the rest for you.

You just need to complete his Stadium project & concentrate on building a team to compete in League Two.

That wouldn't cost you a fortune.

Or you could look to play in League One (like Morecambe & Cheltenham Town)...NO NO NO...let's not go there eh! lol

Edited by VoR at 18:48:08 on 12th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 11:53Tue Oct 12 11:53:52 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I used to draw plans for spaceships, including kitchens and big bedrooms. Now that I look back on it I never bothered with toilets, though. Strange, eh?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 11:20Tue Oct 12 11:20:16 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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There is no issue...just an awareness of the requirements.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB12/10 11:14Tue Oct 12 11:14:58 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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so, what's the issue?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB12/10 11:00Tue Oct 12 11:00:04 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Internally, maybe, but nothing more than that.

IF we ever get in that position, look at it properly. There's literally no need currently.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London12/10 10:59Tue Oct 12 10:59:19 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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So what? EFL is not going to happen anywhere in the near future or mid term future and long term future - why would we even be looking at that? It’s so far away from us - we are more likely to go the other way down the leagues than upwards! It’s pointless even including it in any future plans!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 10:53Tue Oct 12 10:53:21 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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We are not in the National League - or even close to it. You are planning for a fantasy. Reality is that we are in Southern Premier Division Central and need to plan for that level and maybe one above (more probably one below). Anything else is stupidity!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 11:00Tue Oct 12 11:00:51 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I agree...but when we get back into the National League North, all that you have just said will be forgotten & the supporters will want us to be promoted to the National.

That's what being a football supporter is all about...dreaming!...you know that...we've been in the National before & they were great times!

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By Greg (NBFC)12/10 11:04Tue Oct 12 11:04:41 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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If "we get back into the National League North, all that you have just said will be forgotten & the supporters will want us to be promoted to the National" (note the bold - it's still a long way ahead).

Yup, absolutely. No argument there. So when (or if) we reach the dizzy heights of National North, let's look at how we can plan to meet the needs of the next level up. Doing it before that is pointless - and far from our most pressing priority.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 18:53Tue Oct 12 18:53:05 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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One of our more pressing priorities is the need to keep repairing those temporary buildings.

Edited by VoR at 18:53:27 on 12th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 11:07Tue Oct 12 11:07:04 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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But it has to be part of our forward planning...

- 5 years ahead.

- 10 years ahead.

- 15 years ahead.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)12/10 11:34Tue Oct 12 11:34:01 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I don't know all of your background. VoR, but I suspect that you have little or no experience in football business management. It's different to normal business management because there are too many intangibles, and the lower you go down the pyramid the less certainty you have. 15 year planning is lunacy, 10 year is madness and 5 year is unpredictable. Both 10 year and 15 year are pointless.

Just to crystallise that last assertion and maybe bring the stupidity of long term planning, 15 years ago we finished mid table in Conference North. The following season we were liquidated and went bust. How much did our forward planning predict that one? 10 years ago we were promoted from Conference North to Conference Premier. How would a 10 year plan have put us where we are now? From our positions 10 years ago and 15 years ago, no forward plan would have accounted for the reality of our football leading to now.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 12:32Tue Oct 12 12:32:07 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I agree with your sentiments.

I am presenting the technical aspects to being in the football pyramid...nothing more.

The ground development has to stay just in front of the team's development, to allow the team to achieve their full potential.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 16:08Wed Oct 13 16:08:09 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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This is what I keep telling you, VoR. Each season we can plan our infrastructure to meet our current level and start considering the level above. The time to begin planning the much discussed 1,000 seater stand is when we achive promotion to National League. Until then there is no point.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 16:23Wed Oct 13 16:23:09 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Greg.

We don't need a 1000-seater stand, we already have a stand that has a 514-seat capacity.

We just need to have some Architect's concept drawings in place, to build a new 500-seater stand, for when the time comes, to present to the FA, upon request.

Nothing more...just a few concept plans, elevations & section drawings to show the FA what we will provide to meet with their rules.

We can take LW up to 1000-seat capacity when/if ever the time comes?

The FA rules allow us to build two separate stands.

Ian Neale will have known that when he designed & built the ground.

He has provided the Supporters with a ground that meets National requirements (that they can be proud of) & that can be upgraded to EFL standards, with the minimum of fuss...he did a very good job, in my opinion.

First class viewing standards in accordance with the 'Green Guide', uninterrupted viewing with cantilevered roofs, galvanised steelwork, crush barriers to the required standard etc etc...need I say more?

Edited by VoR at 16:23:51 on 13th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 16:49Wed Oct 13 16:49:11 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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You have produced a rather lengthy reply that has 100% missed the point. We can do all that if we ever achieve promotion to National. There is no conceivable reason to do it now. That was the point.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 16:53Wed Oct 13 16:53:25 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I'm not saying we need to do it now!

It will need to a part of our forward planning.

As long as we have thought about it.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By The_Hullablue13/10 18:18Wed Oct 13 18:18:11 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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We have thought about it.

Thanks.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Greg (NBFC)13/10 16:55Wed Oct 13 16:55:20 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I don't think it has slipped by the notice of anyone on here - so can we now stop talking about it and address the immediate issues that Boro has?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR13/10 18:59Wed Oct 13 18:59:21 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Yes, by all means.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VS Town (VS Boro)12/10 11:06Tue Oct 12 11:06:55 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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And if Boro did get to national the ambition (as was last time) would be not to get relegated.

Is Carrow Road or Vicarage Road ready to host champions league football?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB12/10 11:07Tue Oct 12 11:07:47 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Is Carrow Road or Vicarage Road ready to host champions league football?



Yes, comfortably.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VS Town (VS Boro)12/10 11:13Tue Oct 12 11:13:27 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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You know what I meant :)

Actually I am not sure - I know Liverpool had to make changes to their new stand and I believe Other clubs are inspected.


Also - following the argument - surely Barrow must now be planning for champions league - they only 3 promotions off the premier

Edited by VS Boro at 11:14:14 on 12th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 11:23Tue Oct 12 11:23:15 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I doubt it but they will possibly be planning for League One...but that's another story...let's not go there! lol

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB12/10 11:03Tue Oct 12 11:03:01 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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''I agree...but when we get back into the National League North, all that you have just said will be forgotten & the supporters will want us to be promoted to the National.''


See, I disagree, I think our fans are disheartened at the moment, BUT are also realistic. Most of my friends/ Boro 'network' see us as a mid table Conf North club if we are lucky now, and would relish playing the likes of York, Kidderminster, Darlington, Chester, Boston, Hereford, Telford, Southport again.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London12/10 11:02Tue Oct 12 11:02:14 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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We are nowhere near the national league north VOR - wake up and be realistic ffs

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 18:59Tue Oct 12 18:59:19 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Not according to JG/SH pre-season!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB12/10 10:50Tue Oct 12 10:50:15 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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'' If we are lucky, we may make it back to National League North within five years. I would not bet on us being any higher than that within 10 years.''

+1

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By The_Hullablue11/10 22:33Mon Oct 11 22:33:08 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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You keep mentioning them is entirely down to you.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London11/10 22:31Mon Oct 11 22:31:18 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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It is what you are proposing the club do - we aren’t in the EFL, so it’s completely irrelevant

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:36Mon Oct 11 22:36:18 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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No...it's the FA rules.

It's nothing to do with me!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB11/10 22:36Mon Oct 11 22:36:48 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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The FA do not state southern premier clubs should have a football league standard ground.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London11/10 22:26Mon Oct 11 22:26:56 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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You’re the one suggesting it and to make the stadia and pitch EFL standard! It’s everything to do with you!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MP2311/10 22:15Mon Oct 11 22:15:40 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Then you need floodlights which is another extra cost, grass pitches need maintenance and re seeding at end of season, 4g pitch in Stadium makes absolute sense, low maintenance costs and brings in money from community use,

Edited by MP23 at 22:17:52 on 11th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:23Mon Oct 11 22:23:52 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I agree.

It's as MJNB said, we are unlikely to be any higher than the National.

So, it will be a judgement call by the owner.

If we did ever be in a position to gain promotion to League Two, we would have to rip it up & replace it with a grass pitch to the standard we have now...

FA rules do not permit the use of 3G pitches in the EFL.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By The_Hullablue11/10 22:30Mon Oct 11 22:30:36 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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"FA rules do not permit the use of 3G pitches in the EFL."

Are they FA rules or EFL rules? They are not the same.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB11/10 23:07Mon Oct 11 23:07:29 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I’m fairly certain you’re correct, Hulla.

There was a saga involving the national league playoffs/Barrows promotion during a non complete season where this was highlighted.

The FA have their rules. But each individual ‘league’ have there’s too, and can make their decisions. Eg if the football league didn’t wish to admit a national league side, they wouldn’t have to even if the FA wanted them to

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:35Mon Oct 11 22:35:03 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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All of the rules at all levels of football are set by the FA.

'The Football Association - National League System'

- the football pyramid.

The Premier League is Step 1.

The National is Step 5...the highest level in the non-league football pyramid.

The Boro are currently in the SLP at Step 7.

Edited by VoR at 19:02:59 on 12th October 2021

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By The_Hullablue11/10 22:37Mon Oct 11 22:37:18 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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You sure?

For some reason I thought the Premier League set rules fir membership of the Premier League, the Football League set rules for membership of its leagues and so on.

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By VoR11/10 22:39Mon Oct 11 22:39:21 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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The FA - NLS

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By The_Hullablue11/10 23:04Mon Oct 11 23:04:40 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Erm, what?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB11/10 22:35Mon Oct 11 22:35:59 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Cheers for hijacking another sensible thread!

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By boropod (BoroughPod)12/10 13:05Tue Oct 12 13:05:16 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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As if its not bad enough being at level 7, we now have a constantly yapping dog.

worst forum poster ever

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Wotnostrikers12/10 14:25Tue Oct 12 14:25:49 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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It’s taken me ages to get onto the forum today I have been trying to get a bloody Groundhog out of my house.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)12/10 15:26Tue Oct 12 15:26:05 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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https://forums.footballwebpages.co.uk/nuneaton/article/321822

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB12/10 13:06Tue Oct 12 13:06:39 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

Views: 241

You've not bought into this 15 year plan have you?

Football League 2030

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MP2311/10 22:27Mon Oct 11 22:27:03 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I am well aware of that

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London11/10 22:25Mon Oct 11 22:25:35 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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We know that you can’t use artificial pitches in the football league
But for the current situation it’s absolutely irrelevant to talk about EFL standards

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB11/10 22:24Mon Oct 11 22:24:50 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Sutton and Harrogate have/are both doing that. And it’s been a worthwhile investment for both.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:18Mon Oct 11 22:18:18 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Yes & maybe a perimeter fence (similar to that at Bedworth), for security?

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MP2311/10 22:12Mon Oct 11 22:12:09 2021In response to Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Was watching the EFL on Quest earlier from Saturday, the programme was based at Sutton for their game with PV, Sutton Chairman was interviewed before the game and said how much the 3/4G pitch had helped to bring the community into the club, they obviously had to go back to grass but he said the club benefited from the artificial one.

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By MJNB11/10 22:22Mon Oct 11 22:22:54 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Exactly the same for Harrogate

400 crowds up to 1600 through the community having more awareness of the club.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MP2311/10 22:26Mon Oct 11 22:26:17 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Purely from a watching football point of view I don’t like them but if you consider all the benefits from a commercial and community point of view then I think we will see more and more clubs in non league installing them.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VS Town (VS Boro)11/10 21:59Mon Oct 11 21:59:59 2021In response to Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Yep; not a fan, but has great use for football clubs.

Great demand for them

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Vernon Slain11/10 22:08Mon Oct 11 22:08:56 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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I do understand your arguments,but I would sooner see a Boro side that can play well and gain promotions on grass which then by default generates the necessary income stream.
But then again I am old school.

From Saint Jimmies's Park.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By MJNB11/10 22:23Mon Oct 11 22:23:28 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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That too would be my preference.

Just can’t see that happening anytime soon, so looking at an alternative.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London11/10 22:07Mon Oct 11 22:07:25 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Pretty sure the rugby club wouldn’t want one though
Do they use the main pitch? I am not a rugby person myself, but if I was I don’t think I’d want to be diving around on an artificial pitch

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:29Mon Oct 11 22:29:00 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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4G have a shock pad.

Cov have installed a new one at the Butts...it's superb.

Worcester Warriors have just installed one.

Saracens have one.

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By MP2311/10 22:13Mon Oct 11 22:13:20 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Rugby teams play on artificial pitches now , Scaracens, Gloucester both have them

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By NBFC_London11/10 22:20Mon Oct 11 22:20:54 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Fair enough - might be a good thing then - I know however though some 3G pitches I’ve played on do have wear and tear on them so would require an element of maintenance I would think

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR12/10 19:11Tue Oct 12 19:11:34 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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They have to be inspected regularly.

The performance standards are laid down in the FA'S rules.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By VoR11/10 22:38Mon Oct 11 22:38:14 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Hockey players prefer water-based pitches...just thought I would throw that one into the pot.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By bert's dad12/10 09:34Tue Oct 12 09:34:45 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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Personally I think we are missing out on swimmers. Adding water the pitch would be a big boost for future Tom Daly’s.

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Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch?

By Wotnostrikers12/10 09:37Tue Oct 12 09:37:26 2021In response to Re: Should we get a 3G/4G pitch? Top of thread

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There are enough divers in the Premier League we don’t need them in the SL

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