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Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 06:27Thu Oct 14 06:27:14 2021

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VS posted information about Tamworth's Teambuilder Fund on the forum yesterday, which is very helpful.

It is a very good idea.

MP23 believes that Tamworth's Teambuilder Fund was set up by their Commercial Manager.

To operate such an arrangement at the Boro, it would need to be a formal arrangement with a Committee.

There are 5 committee members at Tamworth, including a Chair.

If we intend to set up a Teambuilder Fund at the Boro, following Tamworth's lead, we will need 5 people (who enjoy the challenge of being on a Committee) to put their names forward to form our Committee.

So, can we see who would be interested in being on the Committee please & if we have enough interest, we can take it from there...

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By MJNB14/10 10:31Thu Oct 14 10:31:02 2021In response to Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I really do think these ideas are best kept to discussing with a) the co-op/ your mate John or b) the club.

They can be discussed as much as you want, but without the club wanting them, they're totally irrelevant, much like lots of other stuff mentioned.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By ntfcadam (nbfcadam)14/10 10:35Thu Oct 14 10:35:25 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Agreed! Jimmy and Jason have always said their door is always open to fans/ideas. Would be worth while popping your head in and raising these ideas.

I would be interested in a TeamBuilder but for me JG would have to step away from Management which imo makes it a non-starter.

Do let us know if you do approach Jimmy or Jason on these ideas though!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 10:34Thu Oct 14 10:34:23 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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MP23 put this idea forward recently & I've just tried to summarise what is required to set up a Teambuilder Fund, like the one in operation at Tamworth.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 10:37Thu Oct 14 10:37:35 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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That's all well and good, but if the club don't want it to happen, it's a non starter.

Approach JG/ JD directly, or via the co-op, and see if it's a goer.

Alternatively, you could 'wait for them to come to you'...

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 10:45Thu Oct 14 10:45:17 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It wasn't my suggestion but I think it is a very good idea.

Practically, it can only come about if we have enough people interested enough to form a committee, like they have at Tamworth.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 10:50Thu Oct 14 10:50:41 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It also needs to be welcomed by the club.

No point doing anything they don't want.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 10:39Thu Oct 14 10:39:34 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I 100% agree with co-op direction BUT any help from the co-op (particularly financial) must have something in return.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 11:44Thu Oct 14 11:44:52 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Depends what you mean by 'something in return' can be interpreted in a number of ways.

See 5.3 in the Powers section of the model rules..

https://nuneatontownsupporterscoop.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/constitution.pdf

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 10:42Thu Oct 14 10:42:34 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It is not possible for the Co-op, as a 'legal entity' to 'gift' anything to the club.

They have to get something in return.

They are the rules.

That was explained to me by John on Monday.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 10:52Thu Oct 14 10:52:22 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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So, what can/will the club offer in return?

I see only one target, but I doubt the owner/chair would want that.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By NBFC_London14/10 10:43Thu Oct 14 10:43:40 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Do 3 points not count as something in return? Or even 1 point?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 07:43Thu Oct 14 07:43:01 2021In response to Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Lots “we”

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By NBFC_London14/10 07:50Thu Oct 14 07:50:34 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I would want to know how it all works first - I’m not signing up to a Jimmy Ginnelly fund

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 08:27Thu Oct 14 08:27:52 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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If JG appointed himself as the Director of Football at the club, to concentrate on running all things Boro & he appointed a first team manager to run everything on the field, would you be happy with that?

JG would still be involved in the football side of things (& getting his buzz) while concentrating on managing the commercial side of things, which he appears to be very good at...

The club could then follow the Premier League model (don't laugh) whereby the first team manager would give JG a list of target signings, JG could assess what the club could afford & let the first team manager know who he could have...

A Teambuilder Fund could link into that process.

In my opinion, I think it's time for JG to move upstairs & take overall control of the club & liaise with the Supporters Co-op & furthermore involve the Co-op in the ownership of the club.

Does all of that sound reasonable?

Edited by VoR at 08:28:56 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By NBFC_London14/10 10:33Thu Oct 14 10:33:25 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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No - I wouldn’t trust him to run a bath

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By yoyoboro196214/10 10:15Thu Oct 14 10:15:56 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Reasonable to who?....I suggest you print out (the post i am am answering to) on grease proof paper,why grease proof paper you ask, all will become clear...Nip down to Oil Drum Lane this Saturday for the match, go into the bar for the "Distribution of Free Ale Ceremony"...Introduce yourself to The Manager,hand over said piece of paper...Watch the expression on his face turn from a wry smile to a full beam... "Mmm " he thinks " A takeover bid"...Watch the Manager roll up the said piece of paper(this is where the need for grease proof paper comes in), and inserts it into a part of your anatomy followed by his boot...A hush descends in the bar..."right" says the Manager,"who's for a free pint"...A cheer roars out, "ME,ME,ME"....

Ah well back to reality....
A...He won't move sidewards or upwards...
B...He sees managing the Boro as his destiny...
C....The only way he can achieve this is by total control...
D... He wants the glory, the bragging rights etc...
E ... It's his train set, he doesn't want anyone adding more track and rolling stock..
F... He is very determined, quite an admirable trait really...

These are my thoughts on the very long drawn out saga(yawn) that you have started....
Advice... Just go to Liberty Way, pay your money , have a moan and support the club that way, like we all do....

Feel free to ignore me....

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 10:46Thu Oct 14 10:46:55 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Where can I buy some grease-proof paper?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By boropod (BoroughPod)14/10 11:47Thu Oct 14 11:47:50 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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The co-op

worst forum poster ever

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By joetowny (Joe)14/10 10:18Thu Oct 14 10:18:14 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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am i allowed a big plus one

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By joetowny (Joe)14/10 08:42Thu Oct 14 08:42:38 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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this is the first post i have read of yours in what 400 !!!!! give or take
it does sound reasonable in some respects
point one "IF JG" end of
second point " JG does not want to do what you want him to do " end of.
just for you and others on here JG has to sell the club to get what YOU wish for. end of

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 08:50Thu Oct 14 08:50:19 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Not necessarily Joe.

If a new owner appeared out of the fog one morning, he/she would most probably appoint a new manager...that's what tends to happen in football.

Then we could moan about the new owner/manager.

At least with the present set-up, we know where we stand.

We just want playing performances to improve on the field, to cheer us all up a bit.

Edited by VoR at 08:50:50 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Vernon Slain14/10 09:08Thu Oct 14 09:08:09 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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'' we just want playing performances to improve on the field,to cheer us all up a bit ''...
That can be achieved with just one statement from the club.

From Saint Jimmies's Park.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:46Thu Oct 14 09:46:36 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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and they have the last paragraph tried and tested many times ;)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:04Thu Oct 14 09:04:49 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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“We know where we stand”, and hence many die-Hards are walking away whilst some others being threatened.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 08:38Thu Oct 14 08:38:14 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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JG would still be involved in the football side of things

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 08:45Thu Oct 14 08:45:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Yes.

He would be able to discuss players signings with the first team manager & pass his opinion...but he wouldn't have any involvement with the coaching side.

The first team manager has to take that responsibility. He has to stand or fall by his performance in the job. There has to be a clean break there...

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 10:40Thu Oct 14 10:40:00 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm not sure he has any involvement in the coaching side at the moment? Hinks and others do.

So the role you're discussing, is not really any different to the current situation.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 10:41Thu Oct 14 10:41:56 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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a good manager delegates and those he delegates to follows his instructions.

I remember turning up at Halesowen early and chatted to Kevin Wilson in the stand whilst the players were going through stuff on the field.
He said "I have told Steve and co what I want, and I trust them to carry it out"

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By NBFC_London14/10 10:36Thu Oct 14 10:36:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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He’s a shit manager - I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the first team and that includes signing of players

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 09:30Thu Oct 14 09:30:11 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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JG owns the club. He can be involved in any aspects he chooses. You are missing that big point. He doesn't want to stop being manager.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 08:36Thu Oct 14 08:36:46 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Apart from the fact that Jimmy's dream job is first team manager - which he is already doing. As he is also owner he can stay in that job as long as he wants. Why would he agree to give that up for your plan?

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By VoR14/10 08:39Thu Oct 14 08:39:32 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I think he is doing too much & he needs to step back & take a fresh look at everything.

He also has a life out of football.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 09:00Thu Oct 14 09:00:45 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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VoR why do you never address the actual point raised? Instead, you just make a totally unrelated point to support your view. It's a really irritating trait. Still, one more try ....

Jimmy is currently owner - which was sort of forced on him - and first team manager which is his dream job. Why do you think he would give up the part of the job that he loves?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 09:14Thu Oct 14 09:14:24 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Sorry Greg.

Because I think he needs to move on from that dream now & take a much bigger role in running the club.

Does he have that ambition?...I don't know...

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 10:32Thu Oct 14 10:32:02 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You think he will move upstairs because you think he should?

Jimmy wants to be the manager. We all know this. You thinking he should move on from that won't change that.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 10:37Thu Oct 14 10:37:40 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It is only my opinion.

It would be a more challenging role & include more involvement for the Supporters Co-op & in turn the supporters.

I'm sure that would encourage even more supporters to join the Co-op, which already has a strong membership to build on...

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 10:38Thu Oct 14 10:38:53 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm not disputing it's your opinion, but again, you've gone off on a total tangent.

Jimmy wants to be manager. So your opinion, like mine or anyone else's on the management side, is irrelevant. Our manager wants to be the manager.

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By VoR14/10 10:53Thu Oct 14 10:53:01 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm just trying to re-emphasise my point about more involvement in the club for the Co-op.

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By VoR14/10 11:19Thu Oct 14 11:19:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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My suggestion also involved the Co-op but we seem to only be debating about the manager?

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:30Thu Oct 14 11:30:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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For your suggestions to have even the teeniest bit of traction, it has to fit with what the current owner wants. Have you tried asking the owner to see if that's possible? If I was making all these suggestions, that would have been where I would start.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:32Thu Oct 14 11:32:43 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm a bit nervous about having something stuffed up my orifice!

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:35Thu Oct 14 11:35:31 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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But with every suggestion the ball of greaseproof paper will grow!!!!

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By VoR14/10 11:39Thu Oct 14 11:39:49 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I might try the Tool Box in the town they seem to sell everything else! lol

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By MJNB14/10 11:20Thu Oct 14 11:20:55 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You are the one who suggested that if JG was not manager, the co-op would have more involvement. Not me, not anyone else.

I'm merely pointing out that JG wants to be manager, so your idea is irrelevant on that score.

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By MJNB14/10 10:54Thu Oct 14 10:54:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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and what exactly does that have to do with Jimmy being manager?

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:49Thu Oct 14 09:49:12 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Define "ambition".

You seem to avoid that.

What is a "clubs ambition"
what is a "manager/players ambition" - With this there are many factors.

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By VoR14/10 10:13Thu Oct 14 10:13:34 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Ian Neale's ambition was to build a Stadium fit for playing in the EFL (when the time comes)...he did that.

JG's ambition appears to be to build on what IN achieved & widen the appeal of the club to the wider community, by creating a football education academy, a junior section, a women's & girls section, a darts facility etc...he has achieved that ambition.

My ambition for the Boro is to one day see them playing in League Two.

Does that answer your question?

Edited by VoR at 10:14:31 on 14th October 2021

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By MP2314/10 11:11Thu Oct 14 11:11:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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If that’s your ambition I am afraid to say you will be sadly disappointed

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 10:18Thu Oct 14 10:18:32 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Ian Neale was contracted by StadiaSafe / Ted Stocker to build a stadium within budget and to specification.

You are now giving him credit for an ambition he had no involvement in (cue my conspiracy theory)


My ambition for the Boro is to one day see them playing in League Two

My ambition is to see the Boro play in the Premier League. To achieve that they have to get out of this league (upwards), out of Coif-North (upwards) and conf-National(upwards) then 3 other promotions.

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By VoR14/10 10:56Thu Oct 14 10:56:49 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It must have been all three party's ambition then (to one day play in the EFL), that's why we have ended up with our Stadium designed & built the way it is...

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:03Thu Oct 14 11:03:48 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I suspect the ground was built to the highest spec possible with the money specified.

Did you see the tent?
Did you not know turnstiles had to be purchased?

Why was no "dead space" put between the two segregated area?
Why was there no CCTV..... oh; its not needed (at the moment).
Why has the club had to update facilities after complaints by visiting teams/referees?

If Ian Neale such a hero with such ambitions why is he never seen at LW now?

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By VoR14/10 11:22Thu Oct 14 11:22:41 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Yes, designed & built to a budget, to EFL standards (allowing for upgrade upon entry to League two), with no money wasted.

I did see the tent.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:32Thu Oct 14 11:32:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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so, what is the difference now?

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By VoR14/10 11:33Thu Oct 14 11:33:54 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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What do you mean?

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:38Thu Oct 14 11:38:10 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I hesitate to put words into VS's mouth, but I understood him to be asking why, if the ground was designed with a sort of implied possibility of upgrade right from the start, we need to even be talking about it now. Particularly if it wasn't considered an issue at the time.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:54Thu Oct 14 11:54:26 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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(without checking) I believe the requirement is "no temporary structures"**

** Remember - the next world cup will be in "temporary stadiums" :) that will be demolished afterwards :)

Edited by VS Boro at 11:55:46 on 14th October 2021

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By VoR14/10 11:43Thu Oct 14 11:43:56 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Because the FA rules need us to be prepared.

Forward planning.

To build a new Main Stand, in my opinion, would require two years from start to finish, with all of the processes involved...I would hope to better that but we have to raise the funds from scratch to build it, to start with...

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:45Thu Oct 14 11:45:53 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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So why was that not a priority when we were in the (equivalent of) National - while there was some tiny chance of us actually achieving a promotion place?

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By VoR14/10 11:52Thu Oct 14 11:52:14 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It probably was...I don't know.

The club statement in the National football grounds guide suggests that it was, under the heading 'Future Development'.

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:59Thu Oct 14 11:59:32 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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And can we not just leave it as "future development" and park all the planning for it now?

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By VoR14/10 12:03Thu Oct 14 12:03:29 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Yes, as long as we have considered it as part of the future planning for the club.

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:25Thu Oct 14 12:25:49 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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"possible" future planning

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:02Thu Oct 14 11:02:52 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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That's a massive leap in logic. Because they designed (and almost built) a stadium that had the potential to be upgraded to EFL, that does not mean that there was a clear ambition to achieve promotion to EFL. Manor Park, had it been fully developed, could have reached Premier League standard (or Division 1 as it used to be called). I doubt that any of the regimes running Boro there harboured any realistic ambition to get there.

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By VoR14/10 11:24Thu Oct 14 11:24:19 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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...but they wanted to know what was possible...I have been thro' all of that.

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By VoR14/10 11:34Thu Oct 14 11:34:20 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Stadiasafe.

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:26Thu Oct 14 11:26:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Who did?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 11:00Thu Oct 14 11:00:14 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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If we had those genuine ambitions, we'd have built a proper stand from the off, not two tin terraces, a tent stand and an open side.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:31Thu Oct 14 11:31:04 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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All four structures can be dismantled & moved to another ground.

- the existing main stand.

- the home end terrace.

- the away end terrace.

- the rugby club side terrace.

I haven't mentioned the rugby club side terrace before but that can be taken up & re-used...it consists of precast concrete units...if you look at the treads on the terrace, you will see small holes that have been grouted up...this is where the lifting eyes are situated, to allow the pcc units to be craned into position.

Food for thought?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:45Thu Oct 14 11:45:56 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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And where would these be moved to?

What is the going rate for land?
How come Worcester, Darlington & Kettering home-less if so easy?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:53Thu Oct 14 11:53:30 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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To a suitable site, subject to the granting of a planning permission by NBBC.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 12:02Thu Oct 14 12:02:43 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You said the facilities could easily be moved.

Where to?

The government are prioritising house building (and the opposition would do the same).

StadiaSafe had terrible trouble finding a site...... hence it was Liberty Way.

The only option I can see is for the Boro to buy some of the Nuns land (but that was original idea anyway that failed due to newts (I think) and proximity to the train-line/

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:18Thu Oct 14 12:18:29 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You can only re-locate greater crested newts in March...they are a massive issue if you miss the window of opportunity.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:30Thu Oct 14 12:30:21 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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An other massive irrelevance. Do you have any idea how difficult it was to find a site for the new ground?>

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:01Thu Oct 14 13:01:30 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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No Greg.

It will affect your construction program.

Greater crested newts are one of the most protected species on God's Earth.

You can go to prison!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:09Thu Oct 14 13:09:23 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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But that wasn't actually what killed off those plans. Are you aware of that, or is it another gap in your knowledge?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:11Thu Oct 14 13:11:41 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I only took a passing interest at the time.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:15Thu Oct 14 13:15:08 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Network Rail told us they would object to planning permission if it incorporated floodlights. The proposed ground was next to the railway line, with a danger of glare interfering with drivers' vision. That killed it off, not newts.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:38Thu Oct 14 13:38:58 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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FFS Greg - What do you know...... you are here to be educated.


PS - The newts were a factor; even if floodlights passed the issue would have to be resolved. The floodlights were the immediate and pressing issue........once that resolved other issues had to be resolved.

IIRC Jubilee was rejected because of access and resident objections.
Bermuda was rejected because of potential chemical war.....far better to extend hospitals & schools, extend industrial estate and build residential homes :)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:16Thu Oct 14 13:16:40 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Thanks Greg for that information.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 12:10Thu Oct 14 12:10:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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" the Boro to buy some of the Nuns land "

I think that this could be an option/way forward if the current owners are open to selling. Especially if the ground was then held within the hands of a trust (my suggestion would be the supporters co-operative), who would then agree the lease with the football club etc. It is difficult but from some initial research, it is possible for community organisations to get mortgages to buy land. Then it would be all about finding enough cash for the deposit, finding an guarantor (not impossible but tricky), and then figure out a way to pay the mortgage (again tricky, but not impossible)....

Pie in the sky stuff?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 12:24Thu Oct 14 12:24:42 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I think there are logistic issues = pretty sure this was Plan a)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By joetowny (Joe)14/10 13:11Thu Oct 14 13:11:06 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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i always thought plan A was for a certain person to get his monies back that he had invested in the nuns

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:48Thu Oct 14 13:48:44 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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In the words of someone much wiser than me ....

You may say that, but I couldn't possibly comment.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:34Thu Oct 14 13:34:03 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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good point; well made :)

Don't get me started on my conspiracy theory again :)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 12:27Thu Oct 14 12:27:26 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Logical issues? What would they be and are they resolvable?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 12:59Thu Oct 14 12:59:16 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I believe there were nature issues (newts spring to mind) and also the rail authorities were not happy with the potential glair from the floodlights.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 13:01Thu Oct 14 13:01:29 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Thank you. Yes I remember those issues too, something that would need to resolved if other land was purchased. This wouldnt be an issue if the plan was to buy the land with the current ground on

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:21Thu Oct 14 13:21:53 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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my fear is there is a nice stadium about 5 miles from Liberty way thats not being utilised..... Yes there are issues with such a move, but I would not rule it out as an option that would be considered.

Edited by VS Boro at 13:22:13 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 13:35Thu Oct 14 13:35:55 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Leicester Road?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:48Thu Oct 14 13:48:11 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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If thats Hinckley old ground then YES.

I 100% accept there are lots of problems that would have to be overcome and I would certainly not want it BUT it seems such a waste to have a place like that not used to its potential.

After all....... the ground must have been built with FL in mind ;) ;) :

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:49Thu Oct 14 13:49:18 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It has that potential.

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Have you seen the light.

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:52Thu Oct 14 13:52:36 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Yes, it has potential.
Yes, its probably FL standard (or bloody close).

The people who built it did so when Conf-National was within reach (they lost a play off final around that time)

Now, tell me which league/standard are playing at this FL stadium now, and how many promotions are needed?

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Re: Have you seen the light.

By VoR14/10 14:03Thu Oct 14 14:03:40 2021In response to Have you seen the light.Top of thread

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I think they call themselves Hinckley Leicester Road now...I'm guessing the MPL (Premier), two levels below the Boro?

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Re: Have you seen the light.

By MJNB14/10 14:12Thu Oct 14 14:12:15 2021In response to Re: Have you seen the light.Top of thread

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Leicester Road play at Leicester Road.

Hinckley have played at Heather, Ibstock, and are set to play on Barwell's recently installed 4G pitch moving forward.

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Re: Have you seen the light.

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 14:11Thu Oct 14 14:11:29 2021In response to Re: Have you seen the light.Top of thread

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but they had "vision" to build a ground unto FL requirements..........did them a lot of good

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Re: Have you seen the light.

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 14:05Thu Oct 14 14:05:28 2021In response to Re: Have you seen the light.Top of thread

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They should be planning their EFL stand and lights, then!!!!

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Re: Have you seen the light.

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 14:13Thu Oct 14 14:13:04 2021In response to Re: Have you seen the light.Top of thread

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They don't need to.

They did all that years ago, and now are (at least) 2 more levels below boro.

Perhaps; just perhaps they focused on immediate goals they would still be in National-North (or even this league)

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Re: Have you seen the light.

By boropod (BoroughPod)14/10 14:57Thu Oct 14 14:57:19 2021In response to Re: Have you seen the light.Top of thread

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That ground now is an odd place now. I drive by it quite regularly.
LRFC dressing rooms and clubhouse are a new build on the covered standing side of the ground, LRFC are not allowed to use the seated stand offices, bar and dressing rooms, but can use the seats due to some dispute with the owners and also don't own the old clubhouse behind the covered end and cant use that now.
Sounds familar, a ground with 2 clubhouses and dressing rooms owned by diffent clubs.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:40Thu Oct 14 13:40:03 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Perfect.

I would prefer Nuneaton & Bedworth United.

Like Dagenham & Redbridge.

Hayes & Yeading.

etc etc.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:50Thu Oct 14 13:50:07 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You would immediately alienate a good portion of Boro's support. Are you sure you've ever met any real Boro fans, VoR?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:51Thu Oct 14 13:51:16 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Needs must?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:52Thu Oct 14 13:52:31 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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That would be like Rangers and Celtic merging. Liverpool and Everton. Spurs and Arsenal. Far from furthering our club, it would kill it.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 14:01Thu Oct 14 14:01:41 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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JUST Being devils advocate...

Hinckley United & Hinckley Athletic?

Solihull Town & Moor Green?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 14:05Thu Oct 14 14:05:25 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Yes VS...Solihull Moors, a real success story.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 13:41Thu Oct 14 13:41:52 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Boro moving to play at Leicester Road would be absolutely awful and should be avoided if at all possible.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:57Thu Oct 14 13:57:23 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I am NOT expressing my preference - far from it.

I am just saying it's a possibility.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:51Thu Oct 14 13:51:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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He's talking about merging with Beduff now. Reality slips further away by the minute!!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:43Thu Oct 14 13:43:35 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Downes built the ground to National standards.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:59Thu Oct 14 13:59:39 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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And the ground is being used by ???


What was the point of the ground being national standard?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 13:40Thu Oct 14 13:40:43 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Jesus christ

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:08Thu Oct 14 13:08:21 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Can someone not just call the current owner to find out a purchase price they would find attractive? Surely that move comes before planning for new stands, relaying pitches etc etc etc?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:24Thu Oct 14 13:24:45 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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If I could remember the companies name.....

The assets (which can only be the land) is listed on companies house. This would probably be a good starting point.

What I would like to know is how much Boro are paying to use the ground. Any sale would mean the loss of this income (aka return on the companies investment)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:27Thu Oct 14 13:27:07 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Arden Tigress was mentioned previously...

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Value of Liberty Way

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:32Thu Oct 14 13:32:44 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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December 2020.
Fixed assets - £344,774

Caveat - The true value of an asset is a) what someone is prepared to pay and b) what someone is prepared to sell.

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Re: Value of Liberty Way

By boropod (BoroughPod)14/10 15:07Thu Oct 14 15:07:53 2021In response to Value of Liberty WayTop of thread

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What if LW is not their only asset VS.

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Re: Value of Liberty Way

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 15:10Thu Oct 14 15:10:26 2021In response to Re: Value of Liberty WayTop of thread

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I think they were set up to take over the assets of Boro stadiums - a company who’s only asset was the ground

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Re: Value of Liberty Way

By boropod (BoroughPod)14/10 15:41Thu Oct 14 15:41:11 2021In response to Re: Value of Liberty WayTop of thread

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Ta

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:10Thu Oct 14 13:10:03 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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That is one option.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:04Thu Oct 14 13:04:36 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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That is the second cheapest option after remaining as tenants, after securing a 10-year rolling lease.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:32Thu Oct 14 12:32:11 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Wasn't it something to do with flood risks - and Network Rail objecting to floodlights?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 12:34Thu Oct 14 12:34:26 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Ah yes, sorry I get the point now. Yeah but if the plan was to try and buy the current land which the ground is on, this could work (in theory...)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:08Thu Oct 14 13:08:33 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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We must ask NBBC if we can upgrade the floodlights from 250 lux to 500 lux before we do anything more...at the time LW was built the requirement for entry into the EFL was 450 lux but it has increased.

This is CRITICAL.

Edited by VoR at 13:09:13 on 14th October 2021

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Leagues in context.

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:28Thu Oct 14 13:28:19 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Why should the council (other than light pollution) stop this?

And (yet again) what relevance for entry to the FL have to do with a club (as of today) 3 promotions away have to do with it.

There are about 180 clubs closer to that dream than boro (and consider there are 96 FL clubs) SO more clubs above Boro than above Scunthorpe are to Chelsea.

Boro to FL - (4 * 22) + (2 * 22) + 24 = 178.
Level 7 + Level 6 + Level 5

Edited by VS Boro at 13:29:43 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Leagues in context.

By VoR14/10 13:31Thu Oct 14 13:31:07 2021In response to Leagues in context.Top of thread

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If we cannot meet the EFL's requirements for 500 lux we are stuffed!

No planning permission...end of debate.

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Re: Leagues in context.

By MP2314/10 13:43Thu Oct 14 13:43:27 2021In response to Re: Leagues in context.Top of thread

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No we aren’t stuffed

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Re: Leagues in context.

By MJNB14/10 13:41Thu Oct 14 13:41:46 2021In response to Re: Leagues in context.Top of thread

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Hahaha, this is absolutely brilliant.

Stuffed because we can't get in the EFL, rather than stuffed because we are bottom of Step 3 of non league.

LOL.

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Re: Leagues in context.

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:39Thu Oct 14 13:39:37 2021In response to Re: Leagues in context.Top of thread

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Why are we stuffed? Here in the real world, our floodlights are sufficient for our current league. If we are promoted they will also be sufficient. In the unlikely event that we are promoted again - up to the highest level the club has ever played at, well ..... they will still be sufficient. If we can't get planning permission for bigger lights, Boro will be just fine but your fantasy world will be stuffed. That's an entirely different thing.

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Re: Leagues in context.

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:35Thu Oct 14 13:35:41 2021In response to Re: Leagues in context.Top of thread

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so, what about most of the 180 or so clubs above the boro as of 14-Oct-21.

Perhaps this is the plan......... most other clubs are stuffed so the likes of Hednesford and Nuneaton get a bye to the National.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:11Thu Oct 14 13:11:17 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I am trying not to make personal comments here, VoR, but this statement cannot be serious?????

It is absolutely NOT NOT NOT critical. We are not going into the EFL. Not now, not next year, not within 5 years, 10 years or 25 years. Has that not sunk in yet?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:13Thu Oct 14 13:13:41 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It's critical to gain promotion to the EFL.

Without planning prrmission we cannot upgrade the floodlighting to the required standard.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:17Thu Oct 14 13:17:34 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I just deleted my initial response, which included words such as "moronic" and "idiot". Here's the deal, VoR. I will put £10k on the table now in a simple, winner takes all bet that we will not gain promotion to EFL within 10 years. If you are so confident it can happen, put your cash into the pot and let's do it!

It ain't gonna happen.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:23Thu Oct 14 13:23:35 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I think 15 years is more realistic.

I also believe that there could be a more worthwhile pot to put our money into...

I will say no more.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:46Thu Oct 14 13:46:06 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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so, how will boro (bottom of level 7) overtake the 180 clubs above. Clubs that (as of today) includes the likes of Notts County, Wrexham, Grimsby, Stockport & Yeovil (which even if promoted will be replaced by similar).

A club that (at best) is getting 500 spectators and one I cant remember getting 1000 for any league game in recent history?

A club that has one owner, no sugar-daddies.

The club has something like 100 years to get FL status and Never (i repeat NEVER) got close.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:48Thu Oct 14 13:48:16 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It will be a massive challenge VS.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:59Thu Oct 14 13:59:04 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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And who could lead this challenge.

with every respect to everyone involved with coop/trust / club since I have followed it there has been no-one with the personality and drive to get something like this done.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:31Thu Oct 14 13:31:26 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I take it your confidence in promotion to EFL is not that strong, then? I'm shocked.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:33Thu Oct 14 13:33:35 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm not confident at all Greg.

It's just my dream.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 14:03Thu Oct 14 14:03:25 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Can you just keep it in your dreams and accept that the possibility is so remote it can be neglected in our current circumstances? Please? Pretty please?

Or are you just trying to batter us all into submission? You may note that you have actually not succeeded in convincing anyone. That's because we have a grasp of how Boro works - it's not because we can't see your vision.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 13:18Thu Oct 14 13:18:49 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I am happy to do the same as Greg!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:19Thu Oct 14 13:19:45 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Here you go, VoR. You could get rich!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:41Thu Oct 14 13:41:02 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Skin flint.

I will put everything I own on it.

SO, with you and MJNB thats £20,100 :)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:25Thu Oct 14 13:25:53 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I don't want to be rich Greg, just happy.

A win on Saturday would be a bonus.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:35Thu Oct 14 13:35:38 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I take it you don't have confidence we will ever need powerful floodlights or a bigger stand? Again, I'm shocked.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:38Thu Oct 14 13:38:15 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It's not about me, it's about our legacy...what we leave behind for our children & our grand-children.

That is a massive responsibility.

Ask Greta about that!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:49Thu Oct 14 13:49:44 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Well, my children have deserted NBFC.

If you look at the current fan-base I don't see many capable of having children and few seem to come with their children.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 13:42Thu Oct 14 13:42:51 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm confident my daughter will be just fine without Boro having a 1000 seater stand and EFL standard floodlights.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:40Thu Oct 14 13:40:54 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I am starting to worry about your grip on reality. On another point, can Greta play centre forward? Could be a good signing.

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Saving round things

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:55Thu Oct 14 13:55:55 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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She is two weeks away from fitness and unlikely to get a work permit (unless due to her age).

I hear she a good keeper and her passion is saving round things...... bye bye Breedon.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:22Thu Oct 14 12:22:09 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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The only way I can see that the club could buy some land, given the current status quo, is for the Supporters Co-op to raise the funds.

I believe, that as a 'legal entity' they would then assume ownership of the land?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 12:25Thu Oct 14 12:25:40 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Yep, the supporters co-op is a Community Benefit Society, previously known as an Industrial and provident society.

For anything like this to happen though, the current co-op board IMO would need some support with this to come up with plans and work through the various steps. It would be a lot of work.

Perhaps interested people could form a working group to explore it?...

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Hope is not a plan.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:15Thu Oct 14 13:15:11 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I offered my technical support to John on Monday...free of charge.

Edited by VoR at 13:15:33 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:28Thu Oct 14 13:28:41 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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He's going to speak to the rest of the Supporters Co-op Board members & come back to me...

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 13:19Thu Oct 14 13:19:06 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Did he take you up on it?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:33Thu Oct 14 12:33:23 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Do I detect a little troll feeding?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 12:39Thu Oct 14 12:39:29 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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No, absolutely not.

I think if there are concerns about the length of the lease or future of the ground, we could as supporters be working together to see if there are any solutions or ways forward.

I think collectively, given the experience and knowledge which Boro fans have, we could do it? For example lots of posters on here have experience of being involved in supporters trusts, liaising with different people, all of their previous and current work experiences.

Just imagine, VS, VoR, others and yourself Greg all sat around the table working together to resolve this. Im sure people would pay good money to watch it! (Half joking here :) )

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:21Thu Oct 14 13:21:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Throwing pies at each other! lol

Joking apart tho' Mark, a great post.

The most important thing that John told me on Monday, for me, is that the Supporters Co-op are there to protect the club from going out of business...to ensure that the club survives...

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:43Thu Oct 14 13:43:04 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I am not knocking the coop on that statement BUT its not a reality.

I take you back to post Thorn departure and the meeting at ????? club.
The season was about 6 weeks away and no one had a clue if there would be a club. The coop certainly could not afford to take it over (other than starting (yet again) from start). IMO (with others) that would be the end of the club as I know it.

Edited by VS Boro at 13:43:18 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By mark-nbfc14/10 13:40Thu Oct 14 13:40:36 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It is and the supporters co-op have done that previously in the past, imo.

Problem is it needs more people to actually do the work though

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:48Thu Oct 14 12:48:21 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Maybe we could raise cash by selling the TV rights? :)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:17Thu Oct 14 13:17:02 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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We need to create a super league 1st.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:04Thu Oct 14 12:04:20 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Your guess is as good as mine?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 12:06Thu Oct 14 12:06:55 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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So, the ability to move existing facilities is irrelevant.
Nice to know, but irrelevant.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:24Thu Oct 14 12:24:42 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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We could move them to the Bedworth Oval.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 11:56Thu Oct 14 11:56:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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we know how easily they grant permission for football grounds in this town too, what with Jubilee, Bermuda etc, sounds a piece of cake, all part of the plan.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 11:36Thu Oct 14 11:36:17 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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The existing main stand was not there when LW was built. So those ambitions were not there. We had a tent for 3 years.

The existing stand didn't go up until we were on the verge of promotion from the league ABOVE the one we are currently in.

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the tent

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:48Thu Oct 14 11:48:45 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Really struggling to find a picture.

(point of order) - The tent was in use for 1 season in the Conf-North,

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"ground built with FL in mind"

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:52Thu Oct 14 11:52:11 2021In response to the tentTop of thread

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Re: "ground built with FL in mind"

By boropod (BoroughPod)14/10 12:18Thu Oct 14 12:18:22 2021In response to "ground built with FL in mind"Top of thread

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The 500 seater tent was put up for our first season at LW in the Nat North.

That picture is of the second tent, the 250 seater put up the season when we played in the SLM after liquidation as we did not need a 500 seat stand in the SLM.
When IN realised we were going to have to pay the council a staggering amount (cant remember what it was) back to NBBC as we had not completed the ground to the spec to allow us to get out of the MP covenant, he started planning for the 500 seater we have now. expect we would have been kicked out of the NN too at some point but the council fee was the imperative.

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Re: "ground built with FL in mind"

By VoR14/10 12:27Thu Oct 14 12:27:10 2021In response to Re: "ground built with FL in mind"Top of thread

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A great post.

Thankyou.

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Re: "ground built with FL in mind"

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:28Thu Oct 14 12:28:27 2021In response to Re: "ground built with FL in mind"Top of thread

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So you accept that IN didn't design and build the ground with EFL ambitions?

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Re: "ground built with FL in mind"

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 12:25Thu Oct 14 12:25:22 2021In response to Re: "ground built with FL in mind"Top of thread

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So, that was an improvement bu the person VoR champions as someone who built the ground with FL in mind :)

Edited by VS Boro at 12:25:45 on 14th October 2021

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Re: the tent

By MJNB14/10 11:50Thu Oct 14 11:50:48 2021In response to the tentTop of thread

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Correct, the 'permanent' stand was installed March (ish) of our first Conf North season when we lost in the playoffs to Telford in 2011.

I THINK the first game it was open was a Bank Holiday Monday game at home to Boston.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:45Thu Oct 14 11:45:03 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You get 12 months grace to comply, after gaining promotion.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 11:46Thu Oct 14 11:46:03 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I know, I posted that in last few days.

Not the first time you've regurgitated what someone else has said to seem informative / in the know.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:30Thu Oct 14 12:30:40 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Now! Now! lol

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 10:24Thu Oct 14 10:24:43 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Ian Neale would have had a major input into the design & build process VS...he needs to be complimented on that...

I think my ambition for the Boro is more realistic than yours.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 10:36Thu Oct 14 10:36:01 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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"I think my ambition for the Boro is more realistic than yours."
Really? Marginally I suppose.

So, when someone is given a budget and criteria they need to be complemented on that.
as you know, the criteria for grounds is easy to find.

Did the original build actually meet requirements. I know STadiaSafe played 1 season in Conf-North but remember the original tent stand and the fact there is still no disabled facilities. The ground also had too few turnstiles. Two/three of these were corrected post-Stadiasafe.

I suspect the league gave boro some slack on this as they no-longer keen on demoting clubs (not sure if any club been demoted on ground issues for years).

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:04Thu Oct 14 11:04:02 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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The club have a grace period to comply...in general terms 12 months after gaining promotion.

We have the required number of 8 turnstiles...3 Home End 3 Away End & 2 behind the Sports Bar.

Yes, disabled person's facilities are still a problem but the Supporters Co-op have that in hand...they just need to find a local builder to do the work.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By boropod (BoroughPod)14/10 16:50Thu Oct 14 16:50:36 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Depends what you mean by turnstyles, some of the 'turnstyles' dont have turnstyles in them.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 17:01Thu Oct 14 17:01:29 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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It's the terminolgy used in the FA rules.

We have required number of 8 turnstiles/entrances to the ground.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:35Thu Oct 14 11:35:57 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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So (as debated on here at the time)

Why did the league allow Boro to play home games with a reduced capacity and insufficient turnstiles during SkipGate?

I was shocked (but pleased).

Disabled facilities is a club issue; teflon shouldering it to the co-op is wrong (IMO).

They just need to find a local builder to do the work.
How about the chap who built the ground with FL ambitions? Why did he skip this one; why does he not do it now?
This has been going on since the ground was built..... including when the owner was a brick-layer.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:49Thu Oct 14 11:49:19 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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The situation during 'skipgate' I believe was discussed with the safety committee (NBBC, the police, the fire service, the ambulance service).

They are the committee responsible for issuing the ground safety certificate.

Edited by VoR at 12:34:02 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:57Thu Oct 14 11:57:59 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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but that was NOT conference rules.

The pingles is passed by NBBC, police, fire & ambulance ------ does not meet Conf regulations does it?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:02Thu Oct 14 12:02:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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The Safety Committee is nothing to do with league rules etc., it is responsible for granting the safety certificate at venues...

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QED

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 12:05Thu Oct 14 12:05:36 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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So, if the police etc say Liberty Way is safe then why do you think LW needs to be updating to meet FL requirements?

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Re: QED

By VoR14/10 12:38Thu Oct 14 12:38:00 2021In response to QEDTop of thread

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The Safety Committee examines the safety aspects of any venue.

For example, Old Trafford.

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Re: QED

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:02Thu Oct 14 13:02:34 2021In response to Re: QEDTop of thread

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This is SO frustrating.

If Manchester United decided to rip up all the seats, change capacity to 3000, use candles as floodlights the ground would pass a safety requirement BUT the premier league would not accept it.

If safety requirements are the only criteria for playing in a league, why do the league have ground criteria that you want the boro to prepare for?

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Re: QED

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:42Thu Oct 14 12:42:13 2021In response to Re: QEDTop of thread

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Irrelevance. That was not VS's point. You are either not reading things properly or you are deliberately trying to divert/confuse the discussion.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 12:04Thu Oct 14 12:04:26 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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AAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH

so, the boro could play at the Arts Center or Pauls Land if the authorities deem it safe?
After all, the police do not need to ensure the pitch is safe, so why have one?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:38Thu Oct 14 12:38:45 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Behave!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:57Thu Oct 14 11:57:40 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Again, you skirted around the question by dropping in a few unrelated facts. I am getting the impression that you are not actually reading other people's posts properly - just skimming a few words, looking a bit of stuff up on google and dashing out a reply. The question, as I read it, is that we didn't meet ground requirements relating to turnstyles and access. If the league are so stringent, how come they took no action against us.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:39Thu Oct 14 12:39:45 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I wasn't aware of that Greg.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:45Thu Oct 14 12:45:02 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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For someone who knows so much about the rules and Boro, there seem to alarming gaps in your knowledge. For some time during skipgate we had only one operating turnstyle. The league did not take action against us.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:07Thu Oct 14 13:07:01 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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and I for one was amazed at that.
BUT i do believe the league have become more "forgiving".

Same with the uncertainty during the last few months of Thorn era. No way could the boro' guarantee they would survive the following season, but the league did not expel the club...... that again surprised me given past instances of bonds having to be paid by a club (salisbury, Hereford and Wrexham to name 3) before they were allowed to compete. (Memory may be wrong), but Hereford could not pay this bond...hence they were chucked out (and then wound up).

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 10:34Thu Oct 14 10:34:06 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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"I think my ambition for the Boro is more realistic than yours"

My ambition is for Boro to be mostly stable in National North mid-table obscurity. I think my ambition is more realistic than either of you.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 10:42Thu Oct 14 10:42:42 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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My ambition for the Boro is basically identical to Greg's.

Obviously, in a dream world, I'd like league football, but it's not realistic at all.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 10:44Thu Oct 14 10:44:31 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm not sure any of our recent discussions are based on realism.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 10:52Thu Oct 14 10:52:41 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I feel really harsh responding to a lot of VoR's posts, questioning them, I feel like I'm picking on him (I hope he doesn't think I am), but I've honestly never read such a load of far fetched stuff removed from the real world.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:10Thu Oct 14 11:10:12 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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That doesn't bother me, this a healthy forum.

I am playing devil's advocate...I have to try to inform the supporters about the 'off-field' technical stuff (the 2%), because it links with the 'on-field' team stuff (the 98% buzz)...staying ahead, 'just in time'.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:42Thu Oct 14 11:42:32 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Why have you never been involved with the co-op or even the Trust when it was established circa 2003?

I have lost count of those who have tried, banged head against brick-walls and left.
If only they had your help and not the help of intelligent, well being people including Supporters Direct?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:45Thu Oct 14 12:45:14 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I've never really considered it to be honest VS.

I enjoyed my meeting with John on Monday.

The Supporters Co-op rely on the FSA for advice.

The Football Supporters Association are a professional organisation that supporters Trusts/Co-ops can turn to for help & advice.

Edited by VoR at 12:45:34 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 13:14Thu Oct 14 13:14:57 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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The Supporters Co-op rely on the FSA for advice.

The Football Supporters Association are a professional organisation that supporters Trusts/Co-ops can turn to for help & advice.


I know that; as does many posters who have challenged you YET you say you want to educate/inform people.
The FSA and Supporters Direct used to be separate organisations.

From my time involved I have met with the law firm that wrote the draft rules, have been threatened with legal action against me personally, have been harassed (including family) which led to me making a police complaint

AND (more practical) also spoken to others who have been involved in their clubs (including someone who actually formed a NL club and was the driving force behind their brand new stadium and now works for the FSA).

Most Boro' fans are totally up to speed on history, finance and practicalities. I would say 70% (at least) who post on here have a great understanding (but may differ on some things)

Edited by VS Boro at 13:15:25 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:57Thu Oct 14 12:57:11 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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VoR - please think before you post. Are you aware that VS was a committee member and officer of the Nuneaton Borough Supporters' Trust for many years? It is very condescending for you to "educate" him on the advisory bodies for the Co-op.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Boro boy14/10 12:48Thu Oct 14 12:48:55 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Surely with your knowledge and ideas surely you would be a help to the co op. If i was you i would consider joining and see if you can be on the committee. Think they will appreciate the help

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:44Thu Oct 14 11:44:12 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I remember a series of meetings I had with representatives of Supporters Direct in London. Things looked hopeful at one time. Still, we have a knight on a white steed now who may do better than our combined efforts.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 11:19Thu Oct 14 11:19:47 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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right now, there is nothing 'technical' off the field that is hindering us 'on the field' in any way. Not in the sense you are referring to anyway. I'm sure Jimmy, Jason etc do encounter issues off the field that hinder us on it, but not regarding our ground not being EFL standard.

Our ground meets our current requirements, any future realistic ambitions, and is more than adequate for the league below where we are currently heading. The 2% you're referring to has no impact on the 98%

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 12:49Thu Oct 14 12:49:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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The 2% being the supporters interest in the subject.

The importance of the subject being 100%.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 13:19Thu Oct 14 13:19:36 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You think 2% of our fanbase are currently thinking about promotion to the football league?

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:58Thu Oct 14 12:58:19 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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"The 2% being the supporters interest in the subject."

Let me correct that for you:

"The 2% being VoR's interest in the subject."

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:35Thu Oct 14 11:35:12 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I totally agree in the present.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 11:37Thu Oct 14 11:37:09 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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So you want to look into hypothetical situations that are far fetched, for what reason?

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By VoR14/10 12:50Thu Oct 14 12:50:04 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Forward planning.

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By MJNB14/10 12:53Thu Oct 14 12:53:34 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Hypothetical far fetched stuff, yes.

You genuinely believe a club bottom of Step 3, should be forward planning for the football league?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 12:59Thu Oct 14 12:59:16 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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This depends which circle of fantasy world he lives in!

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:40Thu Oct 14 11:40:37 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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That seems to sum it up perfectly!

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:16Thu Oct 14 11:16:01 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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"I have to try to inform the supporters about the 'off-field' technical stuff"

VoR why on Earth do you think this? It carries with it an implication that you think no-one else has an appreciation of the technicalities - and that sounds massively arrogant! Many of us have worked with (and sometimes against) many regimes at Boro to address the very issues on which you seek to educate us. The real problem here is that you still think your ideas trump our experience.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 11:40Thu Oct 14 11:40:24 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Many of us have worked with (and sometimes against) many regimes at Boro to address the very issues on which you seek to educate us. The real problem here is that you still think your ideas trump our experience..

but we are mere football fans. all un-educated and non of us have ever had responsible jobs.
I have to admit I own 2 pairs of Doc Martins, which says everything.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 11:38Thu Oct 14 11:38:32 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Not at all Greg.

I appreciate that people like yourself have knowledge, because you clearly have been involved with the technical stuff before...others, who have not might find it interesting/ others may not...informing people is not arrogance!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 11:40Thu Oct 14 11:40:50 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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''informing people is not arrogance!''


Depends how it's done.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:42Thu Oct 14 11:42:02 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Nail ... head ... strike here.

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 10:59Thu Oct 14 10:59:59 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You will be banging your head on the table soon, too! Like you, I tried to gently point out where the line between reality and fantasy lies - all to no avail. The language inevitably becomes more strident as subtlety clearly doesn't work.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 09:26Thu Oct 14 09:26:29 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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He has always wanted to be Boro manager, and has never made a secret of that. It's a bit like you want Boro to be aiming at EFL and - despite all the evidence - will not accept that's not sensible. Similarly, I am sure that Jimmy believes he can make the first team successful and he currently has no reason to step aside.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MP2314/10 09:11Thu Oct 14 09:11:10 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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If he carries on as manager and our form does not improve then he is doing what is in the best interests of JG not NBFC, as owner he should do what is in the best interests of NBFC

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MJNB14/10 11:25Thu Oct 14 11:25:47 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I don't think anyone at all is disputing that.

BUT, if he wants to remain as manager, he will, IMO. And he does want to.

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By Greg (NBFC)14/10 09:28Thu Oct 14 09:28:35 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Do you always do what's best for an organisation rather than what you want? It may be what he SHOULD do, but why would he give up his dream because a group of vocal fans think he should?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MP2314/10 11:16Thu Oct 14 11:16:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Because he had the best interests of the club in mind rather than himself, would be one answer, I accept that is unlikely to happen

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 11:17Thu Oct 14 11:17:36 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Ah - realism creeps in lol.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:47Thu Oct 14 09:47:51 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I am sure Steve Bruce wants to continue as manager of NUFC.

There are many "dream jobs" - I refer you to every statement of Robbie Keane when he joined a new club ;)

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By MP2314/10 11:17Thu Oct 14 11:17:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I’m sure if Steve Bruce also owned NUFC he would:)

Edited by MP23 at 11:17:16 on 14th October 2021

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 09:50Thu Oct 14 09:50:44 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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"I am sure Steve Bruce wants to continue as manager of NUFC."

And if he owned NUFC, he could do that with no pressure to leave!

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:56Thu Oct 14 09:56:11 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I knew that was coming :)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 10:42Thu Oct 14 10:42:51 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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:)

I would hate to disappoint anyone lol.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By joetowny (Joe)14/10 09:19Thu Oct 14 09:19:45 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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again
yet another poster starts with " IF "
dont you get it mate if if if if if if...........................................................................
team builder !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you really want to change it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! find a buyer for the club
do you hand on heart believe a few grand will change matters ?????? well do you.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MP2314/10 09:22Thu Oct 14 09:22:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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On the pitch it could change your ability to bring in better players which is the point

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:52Thu Oct 14 09:52:02 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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"bring in better players"

I am not 100% convinced the players are NOT good enough and/or better ones were not available in the summer (2021, 2020, 2019).

Assuming I am correct, and looking at the league table (bottom) then there has to be a reason ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By MP2314/10 11:18Thu Oct 14 11:18:15 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Accept your point

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 09:14Thu Oct 14 09:14:48 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I agree.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 08:47Thu Oct 14 08:47:05 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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What do you think he is doing?

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By VoR14/10 08:53Thu Oct 14 08:53:13 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Taking responsibility for everything.

Edited by VoR at 11:13:18 on 14th October 2021

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:03Thu Oct 14 09:03:43 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You really did not answer the question that followed “doing too much”

He certainly does not take any responsibility for the club bring 21/21 in a league his assistant expected to win.

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By VoR14/10 09:17Thu Oct 14 09:17:38 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I don't know what he does specifically but it is my opinion that he appears to be doing too much...

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:40Thu Oct 14 09:40:47 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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How can you say he "does too much" and also not know what he does.

There has been many posts (mainly on Facebook) that says he does long hours and works hard but no one has actually said what he does. If the club was a one-man-band then I could understand but their are many paid people there.

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By VoR14/10 09:50Thu Oct 14 09:50:07 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm not talking about his workload VS, I'm talking about 'too much' in the amount of responsibility he is taking upon himself.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 09:55Thu Oct 14 09:55:13 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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so, you disagree with the claims he "works hard" / "puts in long hours"

What you seem to be saying he is a bad owner/manager as he does not trust those he employs to do the job they are employed for?

A owner of any business can be hands-off and delegate whilst they get in with other things.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 10:06Thu Oct 14 10:06:59 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I'm not suggesting that at all!

What I am suggesting is that he has taken on too much responsibility...that's got nothing to do with workload.

I agree with your last paragraph.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)14/10 10:14Thu Oct 14 10:14:15 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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but that is not what you said
":I think he is doing too much & he needs to step back & take a fresh look at everything"

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 10:15Thu Oct 14 10:15:28 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Perhaps I should have made that clearer in my post.

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By joetowny (Joe)14/10 09:32Thu Oct 14 09:32:09 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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can i ask you a question
how much do you think JG has spent on updating the tired facilities.
its something i would love to know
maybe just maybe thousands of pounds might have had to be spent updating
monies that could have been used on the team.
NOW before you jump back in remember this
Lee Thorn was heavily castigated on here for letting the club go to wrack and ruin...
REMEMBER. those who want to will others will just avoid the awkward question.
im not licking JG arse im just stating what i believe to be the truths
oh and while were here did LT walk away losing circa a reputed 450,000
backing a fulltime club ethic.
like i say realism and the truth or near truth is a different world to sitting in a deckchair
days on end dreaming up pie in the sky plans

ps btw thats my last word on this subject if you dont get it then you dont

Edited by Joe at 09:36:41 on 14th October 2021

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By VoR14/10 09:46Thu Oct 14 09:46:11 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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There was a public statement in the local press confirming that both Ian Neale & Lee Thorn had wrote off their business loans, for the good of the club.

Lee Thorn approached Norman Smurthwaite for help & Smurthwaite bought the ground off him.

That's as I understand it.

...& yes, repairs & maintenance to the temporary buildings is an ongoing problem & will have to be budgeted for & will reduce the amount of money available to spend on the team.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 09:49Thu Oct 14 09:49:54 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Once again, VoR, you sort of skirted around the question. It wasn't about Neale, Thorne or Smurthwaite - but you wade in with unwanted info. The question was direct: how much do you think JG's regime has spent on ground maintenance? Just a figure is what I think Joe was after, not a brief history of written of debts and ground purchases.

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By VoR14/10 09:51Thu Oct 14 09:51:54 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I don't know but that wasn't Joe's only point.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Ken14/10 13:40Thu Oct 14 13:40:57 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Condescending, patronising, arrogant.....too much time on his hands since, obviously, retiring and then discovers this forum so he can swamp it with nothing constructive but his 'ambitions' and political type answers to genuine questions he is asked following another post.....

Never involves himself in actual posts regards matches, players or are perilous league position, why not?....

Fills the forum every day with anything but....perhaps he's doing all this on JG's request so as to keep the 'heat' off him?

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Jebbs14/10 14:00Thu Oct 14 14:00:59 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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You were doing so well Ken ... until your last line.
Apart from that.. excellent post

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 13:46Thu Oct 14 13:46:37 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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That's the 'on-field' stuff Ken.

I read all of that.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Ken14/10 14:12Thu Oct 14 14:12:18 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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But make no comment?

Is the 'on field' stuff no relevance to you?

It is the most important issue at the moment for NBFC, NOT 5 or 10 years time.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 14:13Thu Oct 14 14:13:58 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Very much so Ken.

It's more important than anything else.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Ken14/10 14:23Thu Oct 14 14:23:44 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Exactly the reply I expected, John.

I'm going to cut my lawn now before it rains.....I should imagine you have a 'in house' gardener to do yours lol

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 14:36Thu Oct 14 14:36:18 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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No Ken, you have totally the wrong impression of me.

I love the Boro, they are my club & I will do anything I can to help them but you are right, I have too much time on my hands & this a healthy forum, very lively.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By Greg (NBFC)14/10 14:59Thu Oct 14 14:59:22 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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I think you may be misinterpreting the way people are responding, VoR.

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Re: Teambuilder Fund

By VoR14/10 15:33Thu Oct 14 15:33:46 2021In response to Re: Teambuilder FundTop of thread

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Possibly.

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