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By KBoroughFC8/12/2021 17:33Wed Dec 8 17:33:53 2021

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Dear Member


You may recall that in March 2019 the Co-operative invested £10,000 of its members’ money to help save the club from going out of existence. At the time it was agreed that the Co-operative would get a share in the club and a seat on the board in exchange for our investment.


Since then the Co-operative launched a volunteer initiative which has resulted in a transformation in the appearance of the stadium at zero cost to the football club, but which may be costed out at thousands of pounds in man hours and materials. The Co-operative have also contributed in other ways including the 200 Club which has raised in excess of £9,000 for the benefit of the club in recent times. 


Since our investment the club has developed greatly with a burgeoning junior set up which the Co-operative were keen to support from day one. However, despite our best efforts the club has chosen to exclude the Co-operative and their commitment to us has waned and promises made have been kicked into the long grass.


The situation as it exists is putting a strain on the relationship between the club and the Co-operative, as all our hard work seems to amount to nothing for the people who made the initial promises and took our members’ cash.


We would like to hear from our members, who have remained so loyal to us over recent years. The committee have discussed several options for the future of the organisation including mothballing, folding or carrying on while we can. If you would like to express your opinion, would like to join the board or have any helpful suggestions please contact Co-operative secretary at [email protected]


This week the government agreed to accept Tracy Crouch’s fan lead review and we would like to think the supporters of this club will have their say in how our club is structured in the longer term and would welcome support from any of our members who feel they could contribute in this respect.

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By VoR8/12/2021 21:31Wed Dec 8 21:31:29 2021In response to No subjectTop of thread

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Would the answer be for Nuneaton Borough Football Club to become a Members Club, whereby the membership elects a Managing Director, Chairman & a Committee to run all things Boro?

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 21:38Wed Dec 8 21:38:11 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I doubt that would ever be feasible/possible unless the coop somehow managed to buy the club.

Most (if not all) clubs that are run that way have had to start from scratch / reform or had grown from a small local community club.

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By Boro boy8/12/2021 21:53Wed Dec 8 21:53:29 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Let do a fc united and form a break away club

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 21:56Wed Dec 8 21:56:35 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Trust me - that’s easier said than done and has so many pitfalls.

Lots of reasons why FCUM started and they had the right people/characters to get it done AND a lot of high profile supporting.
They also “put toe in water” when IMUSA took on murdoch…. And won

Remember - Coventry and Liverpool have both tried the same….. and Wimbledon

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By KBoroughFC8/12/2021 21:34Wed Dec 8 21:34:32 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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That sounds a good idea

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By nil desperandum8/12/2021 21:38Wed Dec 8 21:38:40 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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All that's needed then is to persuade the current incumbents of that!

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By VoR8/12/2021 22:31Wed Dec 8 22:31:29 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Perhaps the Supporters Co-op could put the suggestion to JG & see what his response would be...in my opinion, it could suit the current profile of the club.

Just to expand on that, we could still have investors & sponsors, any member could invest in the club (beyond paying their annual membership fee) (whether they go to games or not) & there would be a structure in place that involves everyone who supports the Boro that would hopefully eliminate this "us & them" mentality.

Also, it would put the Boro in a much stronger position to face the future, whatever that holds, with more confidence of success...

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By The_Hullablue8/12/2021 21:14Wed Dec 8 21:14:44 2021In response to No subjectTop of thread

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A sponsor has claimed on Boro Chat that he is in the same WhatsApp group as the co-op chairman and that the invites to meetings were sent via that group and coop failed to attend 2 of the last 3.

Maybe there is less to this than first appeared.

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By MP238/12/2021 21:18Wed Dec 8 21:18:09 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Or maybe they failed to attend for the reason stated in the original post

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By The_Hullablue8/12/2021 21:42Wed Dec 8 21:42:48 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I think the suggestion is being invited to meetings and not attending isn't exclusion.

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By Boro boy8/12/2021 19:28Wed Dec 8 19:28:27 2021In response to No subjectTop of thread

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Don’t give the club anymore money through anything including the 200 club. Any money kept should form a fund for a takeover.

Also stop going down the ground and helping out until they act on the promises we were given.

Club will soon want the fans if the shit it’s the fan again.

They’re playing us for fools

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By Speaking Loudly8/12/2021 18:29Wed Dec 8 18:29:01 2021In response to No subjectTop of thread

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Surely his time is coming to an end, our club is falling apart right in front of our eyes

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By KBoroughFC8/12/2021 18:35Wed Dec 8 18:35:25 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Jason the clown head dean should go aswell he’s not a true borough fan his interview he did well it wasn’t the greatest he’s not a football chairman

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By MJNB8/12/2021 20:21Wed Dec 8 20:21:30 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The most divided club and fan base going, sadly.

This club will continue on a downward spiral for years to come.

And I can’t pinpoint the blame on any one person, but it’s fucked IMO.

Shame; but it’s only going one direction. Down and down, or bust.

There’s plenty of good going on, but lots of shit that causes such friction and divide, like every Boro fanbase I’ve ever known really

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By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)8/12/2021 20:28Wed Dec 8 20:28:49 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I don’t think true boro supporters are divided far from it …. Pretty sure quite the opposite. Shame the club cannot see that

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 20:39Wed Dec 8 20:39:36 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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You have a point there

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 18:38Wed Dec 8 18:38:07 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Both of your posts are completely uncalled for.

I'm assuming that if JG and JD just walked away, that you'd jump straight in and run the club?

Also, can you define what a 'true born' fan is?

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By KBoroughFC8/12/2021 20:17Wed Dec 8 20:17:50 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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How are they uncalled for expressing our view and frustration about those two I’ve been supporting the borough for 20 years and yeah we have had our ups and downs but how can this season be acceptable 20th in the league like it’s a results driven business in football and 16 points from 20 games that’s not good enough at all

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 20:38Wed Dec 8 20:38:38 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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To me, its more than results - The club seems more divided/less inclusive than ever.

I could name at least 6 "old guard" who now go to few (if any) games.

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By nil desperandum8/12/2021 20:49Wed Dec 8 20:49:59 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I regard myself as one of the "old guard." I've been to one game this season and the content of the initial post in this thread certainly won't hasten my return to the fold!

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the only thing that will make those who are responsible for the current shambles sit up and take notice is a boycott of game/s by a significant number of the remaining "hard core."

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By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)8/12/2021 20:57Wed Dec 8 20:57:29 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Sadly that is the conclusion that I have come to

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By KBoroughFC8/12/2021 18:58Wed Dec 8 18:58:43 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I don’t like the Guy I think his attitude towards others is disgusting so I’m entitled to my opinion
Hope the shop has stock to sell

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By Crocyboro799/12/2021 02:27Thu Dec 9 02:27:31 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Unfortunately he’s the chairman of the club if we like it or not

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 19:06Wed Dec 8 19:06:41 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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No one has said that you're not entitled to your opinion.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 18:58Wed Dec 8 18:58:07 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The position of chair is only “name” and has no legal standing or even requirement. Chair persons tend to exist to manage meeting. Do these meetings - i May be “out the loop” but do these meetings take place ans who is involved?

Not sure if he said why he got involved with the club again or why he became chair.

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By Midlands pride (Speaking Loudly)8/12/2021 18:54Wed Dec 8 18:54:13 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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So the results and pushing investors away is acceptable?

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 19:00Wed Dec 8 19:00:48 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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No.

The problem is people taking snipes (and calling them clown heads) at anyone who puts their head above the parapet.

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By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)8/12/2021 20:00Wed Dec 8 20:00:30 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Mark
Which you are doing exactly the same …. Sometimes you have to get off the fence , take a stand . The most loyal supporters are having their pants pulled down by the club .
I’m thinking of withdrawing my support for the club full stop until things change … 40 years of support done and dusted

NBFC hang your head in shame , I’m embarrassed to support you

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 20:33Wed Dec 8 20:33:49 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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And a lot of “old timers” are thinking/doing the same

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 20:08Wed Dec 8 20:08:04 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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That's fair enough, and appreciate people taking that position. I'm going to continue trying to sit on that fence until the fence falls down, hopefully it won't take too long with weight ;)

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 19:04Wed Dec 8 19:04:36 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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And here lies a big problem at the club.

Some supporters have been threatened by JG fans for stating their frustration on first team matters.

Things are as unpleasant as I can recall. Never know a football club to be so split.

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 19:05Wed Dec 8 19:05:43 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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And that is not on either.

I've also seen a reduction of those kind of comments more recently.

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By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)8/12/2021 20:14Wed Dec 8 20:14:27 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Because we have simply gone anonymous

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 20:36Wed Dec 8 20:36:48 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Yes - there seems to be a lot of new pseudonyms appearing on here.
Some I think are new because they have had nose put out (eg InTheKnow) and others because they want to re-invent themselves anonymously

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By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)8/12/2021 20:41Wed Dec 8 20:41:22 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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To comment on matches without reprisals mainly , how f**ked up is that ?

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 20:43Wed Dec 8 20:43:33 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Very and it's now stopped on the other forum. Plenty of criticism on match threads the past few weeks.

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By KBoroughFC8/12/2021 19:02Wed Dec 8 19:02:44 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Well maybe if Jason dean communicated aswell as Andrew Vincent with others then maybe this thread wouldn’t have been made
Hope the shop has stock to sell

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By boropod (BoroughPod)8/12/2021 18:57Wed Dec 8 18:57:51 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Marks stock reply has always been that if you dont like it, put yourself forward.

worst forum poster ever

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 19:04Wed Dec 8 19:04:42 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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It's a stock reply because a valid one when people anonymously criticise others.

If JG and JD got fed up with the constant comments and walked away, do people think that others will step up and 'save the club'? I sadly do not think they would, I would love to be proven wrong btw.

Criticism is fine but it needs to be respectful and constructive, especially at such a small/local level.

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By MJNB8/12/2021 20:22Wed Dec 8 20:22:14 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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To be fair we are always told people wouldn’t come forward, but, they always do, or have so far, from somewhere.

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By The_Hullablue8/12/2021 20:43Wed Dec 8 20:43:40 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Maybe it is time to look at the quality rather than the quantity...

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 20:39Wed Dec 8 20:39:34 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Good point. I hope that would be the case if worse came to worst.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 19:07Wed Dec 8 19:07:06 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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When was the last time a shareholder appointed a chair and why?

I am sure the club would survive and someone else ar board level!! Would step up

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 19:10Wed Dec 8 19:10:05 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Now follows a sentence I thought I'd never type.

I admire your optimism VS :)

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By MP238/12/2021 19:57Wed Dec 8 19:57:33 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Agree with VS, are those investors really going to walk away and see the money they put in just go down the drain, human nature suggests not

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 20:00Wed Dec 8 20:00:25 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Entirely depends on the reasons behind them putting money into the club. The work to take on the club and run it might outweigh the amount of money put in.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 20:33Wed Dec 8 20:33:02 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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What work is needed?

It appears that LT did very little / nothing but his problem is that included getting money in - boro now have a commercial manager and event manager in addition to club Secretary (Lee thorns did a hell of a lot) and now a chairman (who I believe is paid role)

So what does an owner do other than ensure th business acts legally and returns are submitted

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 20:40Wed Dec 8 20:40:59 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The list of jobs at the Boro doesn't get any shorter. If you have money to people to do them, that's great, but if not, you'd soon get dragged into helping out in all kinds of things.

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By MP238/12/2021 20:03Wed Dec 8 20:03:55 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Do not believe they would all just walk away

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 20:09Wed Dec 8 20:09:01 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I sincerely hope not too

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By almost average 28/12/2021 19:31Wed Dec 8 19:31:46 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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When the current regime took over the club there was lots of talk on giving the club back to the fans , town & community . They have now pulled the drawbridge up on the fans . They are getting so much wrong there soon won't be many fans left to give the club too , but maybe that will suite them .

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 19:58Wed Dec 8 19:58:50 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I don't think that the drawbridge is pulled up all the way up, and is is possible for it to being fully down and open.

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By MP238/12/2021 20:05Wed Dec 8 20:05:10 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Mark you are always defending the club, sometimes you defend the indefensible

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 20:15Wed Dec 8 20:15:16 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I want everything that the co-op wants as stated in their letter, and want the club to prioritise that setting up a more formal structure/board as soon as possible.

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By MP238/12/2021 20:30Wed Dec 8 20:30:50 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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But that hasn’t happened and doesn’t seem likely to either

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 20:41Wed Dec 8 20:41:35 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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You're right, at the moment it doesn't.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 19:29Wed Dec 8 19:29:02 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Not optimism.

Point is - someone is appointed as ChairPerson to, err, chair meetings. In reality anyone at that meeting can chair the meeting (assuming they take place). Its not a formal role (outside the meeting), but sometimes encompasses other roles

I don't think the role of the current chair has been define/announced.

So, the ideas "you would step up and take over", in the case of a chair is not valid. The club has operated for years without a chair being appointed from outside the ownership.

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By The_Hullablue8/12/2021 20:19Wed Dec 8 20:19:26 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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If the role of chairman has not been defined, how are you defining it?
And I think there have been another chairman who wasn't an owner, or even a company director.

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By MP238/12/2021 18:22Wed Dec 8 18:22:34 2021In response to No subjectTop of thread

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Do the other investors who put their £10,000 into the club have a share in the club or a seat on the board, if they do why don’t the Co-op!! Would withdraw any further help or support for the club until what was promised materialises

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 18:24Wed Dec 8 18:24:44 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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No. All of this info is available on Companies House (Boro Leisure Ltd).

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 17:59Wed Dec 8 17:59:28 2021In response to No subjectTop of thread

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Did the co-op put in £10,000 with nothing in return (or at best a promise!!!!!)

I fully understand there is more than meets the eye, but I have always strongly believed the co-op/Trust should not pay anything from funds to the club without something in return other wise its nothing more than a supporters club.

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By mark-nbfc8/12/2021 18:23Wed Dec 8 18:23:42 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The Co-Op Board unanimously agreed that it was in the best interests of it's members to invest the money into the football club at the time. This was possible under 5.3 and 6.14 of the model rules linked below:

https://nuneatontownsupporterscoop.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/constitution.pdf

In return the co-op, attended and contributed to (and it sounds like up until very recently) informal 'board' meetings of the club. Given the situation the club was in, and the alternative, I'm glad the board made the decision to invest money when it did as it resulted in an injection of cash which kept the club running. (Along with all other people/businesses who put money in then too)

Its ashame that relationships seem to have broken-down a bit at the minute. I hope at some point that they can improve. First and best step for me would be the club working on establishing a more formal structure with a board of directors etc, but I guess there are other ways forward too.

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By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)8/12/2021 17:47Wed Dec 8 17:47:53 2021In response to No subjectTop of thread

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Hardly surprising , simply paying lip service to the co-op . I have experienced this myself never again . The co-op should not hand over any further funds until past promises are fulfilled.
As a 200 club member myself I find this so short sighted by the club, in fact quite infuriating
This I believe is the only way forward for the club , obviously the club thinks differently of which they are sadly mistaken.

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By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)8/12/2021 18:08Wed Dec 8 18:08:05 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Personally I’d carry on with the co-op however withdraw any financial support from the club if that is possible.

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By VoR9/12/2021 08:45Thu Dec 9 08:45:38 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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It's a very tricky situation that the Supporters Co-op find themselves in at the moment & I can understand their frustration.

JG & his investors/backers appear to be running the club on an informal basis. I don't know how sustainable that is in the medium/longer term?

It appears to be successful at the moment, so there is no pressing need to appoint a Board of Directors.

So, where does that leave the Co-op?

As I understand it, the Co-op cannot (legally) gift the club money without receiving anything in return & yet the purpose of the organisation is to support the club, in any way they can?...so how does that work in practice?

As it stands under the present set-up at the club, it appears that they can only take on the role of being another investor/backer, within the informal framework that exists & attend the meetings that take place, in that capacity.

However, all of that said, they also have another purpose for their existence, that of 'Guardians', to safeguard the future of the club, should the worse come to the worst...so they have a dilemma...where do their priorities lie, or are they equal priorities?

It is a mess & so that's why I think the Boro becoming a Members Club could resolve the situation & unite everyone behind the club, going forward...

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 09:47Thu Dec 9 09:47:52 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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It is a mess & so that's why I think the Boro becoming a Members Club could resolve the situation & unite everyone behind the club, going forward...



It won't work and I am unaware of any club in a similar situation that has converted.
I believe AFC Telford (and others) have had to change.

For most clubs "investors" (hate that terminology) are needed. Unless they "like the cause" they are going to want some say in how the club is run and will not welcome 600 others having equal say. At FCUM the "founder" and chief-executive was chased out and one reason was because he was making decisions (that had to be made) without consulting the 2000+ members.

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By VoR9/12/2021 09:56Thu Dec 9 09:56:01 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The membership would have to be like-minded for it to work.

We need a permanent structure that is sustainable & will live on into the future.

JG will no doubt continue as the owner for as long as he can, or is prepared to do so but what will happen when he decides to step aside & enjoy the rest of his life?

It seems there is no immediate prospect of a new owner stepping in to take over the club, so we have to play the cards we have been dealt & try to work out a way to share the load, so that the Boro can grow & be successful.

Edited by VoR at 10:07:38 on 9th December 2021

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 10:14Thu Dec 9 10:14:19 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The membership would have to be like-minded for it to work.

Have you seen how the fan-base is divided now?

JG will no doubt continue as the owner for as long as he can
So, why would he want to lose the absolute control he has?
I am sure, if it happened over-night any shared-ownership would lead to him not being manager.

It's fine to thow all these ideas around, but a big element of practicalities are needed.

IMO, the big-opportunity for the club was in 2008, but it turned out to be "the king is dead; long live the king".
One of the 1st things that ownership did was to go into battle with the BISC and were hardly "fan friendly".

Until the club form a formal board (including a fans representative) and/or dilute the shares allowing more to purchase then nothing is going to change. The co-op were promised shares but (looking at their minutes) the club have zero intention to honour that.

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By VoR9/12/2021 10:20Thu Dec 9 10:20:28 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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It all depends on what JG wants his legacy to be?

How does he want to be remembered?

That's entirely up to him...

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By Boro boy9/12/2021 11:50Thu Dec 9 11:50:06 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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By the looks of it he doesnt seem to care. If he cared he should walk away from being manager.

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By MP239/12/2021 11:16Thu Dec 9 11:16:24 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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What legacy, there won’t be one apart from a relegated first team

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 10:35Thu Dec 9 10:35:48 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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He has many disciples who are quick to point out "He saved the club; Without JG there would be no club; leave JG alone"

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By Boro boy9/12/2021 12:00Thu Dec 9 12:00:46 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Again has he actually put any money in apart from taking money out of the club. He saved the club with other peoples money. Dont know how he persuades them to part with money but if i was one of them i would want a bigger say on what is going on. They seem to be happy to part with their money and let the one man show continue

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 13:42Thu Dec 9 13:42:54 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Yes - the same quotes are constantly issued but with no real back up.

Hawkins & Smurthwait "saved the club" and possibly Thorne also.
Hypothetical, but I wonder where the club would be it Smurthwait had taken over (and left Port Vale).

It was believed Barwell only survived due to the money he brought in (and his management "expertise" at this level), but they seem to be doing fine without him.

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By joetowny (Joe)9/12/2021 12:04Thu Dec 9 12:04:24 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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did they give him monies or did they loan the monies
big difference bud.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 13:44Thu Dec 9 13:44:10 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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^^^^^ This AGAIN ^^^^^. Just about any club that has faced financial problems is down to past loans that suddenly need repayment.

I think its fair to say Sponsorship has improved massively (and that would not be loans) and the social side has picked up (but are margins good).

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By VoR9/12/2021 10:41Thu Dec 9 10:41:15 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Yes but beyond that?

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By VS Town (VS Boro)8/12/2021 18:01Wed Dec 8 18:01:24 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Agree.

Over the last few days the clubs twitter/website has been full of "thanks to our sponsors" but those who put most into the club are constantly ignored.

Clubs generally ignore the supporters....until they are skint and suddenly become "fans focused".

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By billh9/12/2021 06:07Thu Dec 9 06:07:38 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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An old fan who went to games for 50 years stopped when the current lot took over. When I asked him why he told me what was going to happen. I didn`t believe him but virtually everything he said has happened.

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By uneatonburo9/12/2021 09:53Thu Dec 9 09:53:27 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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No text

Harry Broadhurst was my Headmaster.

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By Wotnostrikers9/12/2021 20:28Thu Dec 9 20:28:40 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I am so sure you speak for many “lapsed” fans

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By joetowny (Joe)9/12/2021 10:54Thu Dec 9 10:54:27 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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after reading the above its evident that fans have lost or at least are losing faith in the present set up.
change will one day have to occur that much im certain of.
we were basically hung out on the line to dry, go with Jimmy or die.
we all have our own take on that situation.
the club is as ive stated before imo being turned into an entertainment come social amenities set up
which runs anything from a tiddlywinks right the way through to a mens football team.
we are in all essence being turned into a local amateur entertainments facility.
and its obvious we are EVEN Struggling to COMPETE at that..... football wise ...... shocking.

i only see one way out of it...... a takeover/buyout.
will it happen ? i dont know
however what i do know we are going nowhere fast apart from down !!! if it doesn't.
sad days sad times for what was once a great non lge club.

can i just add
im curious as to what the club thinks on the comments/opinions expressed by fans.
the silence from them is deafening, or is it they just dont have the answers....mmmm interesting one that.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 13:47Thu Dec 9 13:47:55 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Fans on this forum and fans I know BUT he has high support on Boro-Chat (and I think opposite side to the rugby side).

the silence from them is deafening,
You do know Boro lost a game heavily at the weekend............bugger all on the main site, from management..... I await "volunteer yourself". Whilst this statement has some milage, it does make you wonder how other "smaller" clubs in this league manage it.....if via volunteers then surely the question is "why can't boro get volunteers"

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By mark-nbfc9/12/2021 18:51Thu Dec 9 18:51:57 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Interviews for YouTube and the like seem to be happening on a Thursday before/after training, so would expect some content tomorrow if people are available.

I would pay a subscription service to see you (or anyone on here really) interviewing JG or any of the management team :)

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By nil desperandum9/12/2021 19:07Thu Dec 9 19:07:01 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I'd probably need round the clock protection afterwards!

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By VoR9/12/2021 11:26Thu Dec 9 11:26:36 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The stadium land being sold from underneath the club was a hammer blow.

That changes everything.

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By joetowny (Joe)9/12/2021 11:58Thu Dec 9 11:58:46 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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so tell me
who actually owned the ground when JG and co took over.
not a trick question btw
just like to know the actual facts.
so did they ( JG and co ) know the situation when they took over the reins.
or did they try and buy it.
i thought they were happy with the purchaser

ps i know of no evidence to change any of my comments made on the subject.
ie that first team football which surely is what the club is all about is being fucked up good and proper
do you agree or not
a simple yes or no will suffice

Edited by Joe at 12:02:12 on 9th December 2021

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 13:49Thu Dec 9 13:49:14 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I believe the ground had been sold to AN Others by Thorne/Neale prior to take over.

IIRC Hawkins was moaning about some agreement WRT rent that was broken.

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By MP239/12/2021 12:36Thu Dec 9 12:36:54 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Smurthwaite owned it then, he thought once JG owned the club he would sell that too him as well, when JG didn’t that is when Smurthwaite decided to sell the ground

Edited by MP23 at 12:39:17 on 9th December 2021

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 13:53Thu Dec 9 13:53:39 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The history of Boro - So complicated.

Did IN split ground/club immediately or did he later move it to INCG for "safe keeping" (that went well).

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By Gustavus9/12/2021 22:05Thu Dec 9 22:05:19 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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He split it when stadia safe was liquidated

Supposedly to stop football club going bust again but INCG took over ownership of stadium until that was liquidated and then Neale/Thorn.

I remember people on here lapping it up when Fc no longer owned ground saying this was normal for a Group.

Basically there is a constant decline since selling Manor Park (despite brief spell in the Conference

The status and crowd pulling of Club has declined and there have been some terrible actions by the owners which supporters have excused.

I think Smurthwaite taught them a lesson in the end!

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By The_Hullablue10/12/2021 11:07Fri Dec 10 11:07:45 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The decision to split the ground from the club to stop people buying the club and asset stripping was a good one with good intentions.
However the company owning both going bust and then everything else that followed (that night at the Ricoh was the beginning of this downward spiral) .
People acting in bad faith can exploit well-intentioned actions.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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By Gustavus10/12/2021 11:45Fri Dec 10 11:45:20 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Supporters Direct gave warnings at the time about splitting ground from Club ownership.

It’s pretty much certain it wasn’t done with the best of intentions for the Club. There were other actions at the time which were pretty ruthless and have brought long term problems.

That period has led to all the later issues IMO.

In terms of good intentions I think only stadia safe genuinely had them but given they sold the Crown Jewels they had to get things right and they weren’t up to it.

What followed has pretty much been bizarre maverick after bizarre mavericks carrying out “cunning plans”.

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By VoR10/12/2021 12:29Fri Dec 10 12:29:26 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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It would be good to know what the Club's current plans are, before building the fans hopes up with expectations of promotion.

If we manage to stave off relegation this season, we are still only one promotion away from the National League North & a return to 'elite' level football.

Under the present circumstances, the core support for the Boro is still holding strong, I never expected any different, so JG/JD have a good base to work from...so, what is next?

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By The_Hullablue10/12/2021 17:52Fri Dec 10 17:52:52 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Under the present circumstances, the core support for the Boro is still holding strong


Really?
You really think that?

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By joetowny (Joe)10/12/2021 18:55Fri Dec 10 18:55:18 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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i dont know what medicine hes on
but at nearly 80 can i have a dose.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)10/12/2021 13:29Fri Dec 10 13:29:27 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The core is holding strong …. Really !!

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By VoR10/12/2021 13:53Fri Dec 10 13:53:18 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I think so...the average attendance is 457 (the 6th best in the division), with very little in terms of away support...that's good given our problems on the pitch.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)10/12/2021 14:00Fri Dec 10 14:00:21 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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if this is to believed boro now 103rd https://www.thelinnets.co.uk/turnstile.php?s=2020

given there are about 66 clubs at a higher standard, what does that say?

yes - the hardcore go to games now; this hardcore is less than it was 1, 2 or 3 seasons ago,
i can only speak for myself, but boro way down on my list of things to do on Saturdays or Tuesdays.
tomorrow with be the 5th out of 11 home games i have not attended this season; i dont think i am alone.

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By Greg (NBFC)11/12/2021 11:30Sat Dec 11 11:30:00 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I have only been to two matches this season. They both felt like hard work.

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By Wotnostrikers10/12/2021 17:56Fri Dec 10 17:56:02 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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You certainly are not

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By Unnamed Sauce10/12/2021 15:24Fri Dec 10 15:24:03 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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+1

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By VoR10/12/2021 14:08Fri Dec 10 14:08:04 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Bedworth United (222nd) on 204...that's healthy.

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By Vernon Slain10/12/2021 12:31Fri Dec 10 12:31:46 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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They don't know themselves so they can't share with anyone else.
When in a hole,stop digging comes to mind.

A poor imitation.

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By The_Hullablue9/12/2021 13:06Thu Dec 9 13:06:37 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Did Smurthwaite want to sell to JG, or just sell to anyone?

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By MP239/12/2021 13:44Thu Dec 9 13:44:56 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I didn’t say he wanted to sell to JG, I said when JG acquired the club Smurthwaite owned the ground, he thought once JG got the club he would sell it to him, when JG didn’t Smurthwaite decided to sell the ground as he said it wasn’t worth having without the club as well

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By joetowny (Joe)9/12/2021 12:43Thu Dec 9 12:43:43 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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ok cheers bud.

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By VoR9/12/2021 12:17Thu Dec 9 12:17:16 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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It's all guesswork Joe, there has been a lot of differing opinions/speculation here on this forum as to what has actually happened?

My assumption is that the current landowner bought the land off someone?...& that they only bought the land that the stadium stands on (& not the buildings/structures that sit on the land)...because truthfully the land is what is most valuable to the landowner.

I assume the club (JG) still owns the stadium structures/buildings?...someone please correct me if I am wrong?

Yes, no-one expected to see the disappointments we are witnessing on the pitch, I don't think anyone saw that coming!?

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By Gustavus9/12/2021 22:10Thu Dec 9 22:10:30 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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You’re wrong the Boro only own the portacabins. Everything else belongs to land owner.

present owner bought it from Smurthwaite who bought it from Neale/Thorn who bought it from liquidator who took over from INCG who bought for nothing from liquidator and took away from Boro

Before that stadiasafe (Boro) and before that Nuns.

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By VoR9/12/2021 22:16Thu Dec 9 22:16:42 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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What a disastrous sequence of events for the Boro!

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By Gustavus9/12/2021 22:20Thu Dec 9 22:20:18 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Terrible sequence of events for everyone concerned.

In the 1980s the town had three of the best sporting venues for their respective sports. All now either gone or declined unfortunately.

Loads of short term decisions supposedly taken for Boro/Town benefit in early 2000s - all of which left a toxic legacy. Would be a wonderful case study in short termism by arrogant owners.

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By VoR9/12/2021 22:29Thu Dec 9 22:29:21 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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So, the future of the Boro now relies totally on the football club's security of tenure at Liberty Way...a minimum 10-year rolling lease, renewable every season...that's if the Boro have any future aspirations to play in the National League/National League North again...

Otherwise, what is the alternative?

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By Gustavus9/12/2021 22:45Thu Dec 9 22:45:56 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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A lease that ends in 2027 which isn’t rolling

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By VoR9/12/2021 23:11Thu Dec 9 23:11:02 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Yes, 'off-field' stuff that is so important to the 'on-field' stuff.

Just have a look on the Altrincham website & see what a mess they have got themselves into by not attending to 'off-field' stuff!

Not a distraction by the way! lol

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By Wotnostrikers9/12/2021 20:35Thu Dec 9 20:35:36 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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On the contrary most people saw the failure of the football side coming.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 13:51Thu Dec 9 13:51:56 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Yes, no-one expected to see the disappointments we are witnessing on the pitch, I don't think anyone saw that coming!?.

Not so sure. Many were against the appointment of JG with many (like me) thinking "right man; right time; right club".
I didn't expect much, but the current situation is a slight surprise.

I had other fears, and this have manifested themselves in some ways.

Edited by VS Boro at 13:52:14 on 9th December 2021

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By The_Hullablue9/12/2021 13:06Thu Dec 9 13:06:00 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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My assumption is that the current landowner bought the land off someone?

Wow, that is some assumption!!!!

Ian Neale separated the ground from the club, although both were owned under one umbrella.
I do not know if the fixtures and fittings were included.
When IN Building (or whatever the firm was called) went into liquidation, the liquidator sold the ground. Ian Neale and Lee Thorn bought it.
The ground was sold to Norman Smurthwaite.
He then sold it to the current owners.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 13:55Thu Dec 9 13:55:28 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Now you say that....

I though IN moved the ground ownership from INCG to Boro-Stadiums a short while before INCG went tits up. I remember thinking that was iffy as the ground wAS an asset of INCG.

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By VoR9/12/2021 13:25Thu Dec 9 13:25:11 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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So, by using the word 'ground', are you meaning everything?...the land & the stadium buildings/structures in their entirety?

If so, does that mean JG only inherited the football club in name/goodwill only, together with a lot of inherited debt?

To do that, he would have had to be a very brave man!

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 13:56Thu Dec 9 13:56:41 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I THINK most of the buildings are NOT owned by Boro-Statiums*


** Caveat - That is now owned by (i think) Phoenix Ltd (or something like that).

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By The_Hullablue9/12/2021 13:55Thu Dec 9 13:55:47 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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I do not know if the fixtures and fittings were included.

Seems I already answered your question.

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By VoR9/12/2021 14:05Thu Dec 9 14:05:07 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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An important question that needs answering really, given that the football club paid out good money to build the Stadium.

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By Gustavus9/12/2021 22:15Thu Dec 9 22:15:08 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Football club hasn’t owned the stadium for a long time

All the present club own are portacabins in a state of disrepair.

There were terrible decisions after the old Nuneaton Borough folded and that legacy still being grasped with.

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By The_Hullablue9/12/2021 14:21Thu Dec 9 14:21:52 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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The football club that paid the money went bust.

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By VS Town (VS Boro)9/12/2021 14:38Thu Dec 9 14:38:04 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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to the company/person who acquired it ;)

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By joetowny (Joe)9/12/2021 12:26Thu Dec 9 12:26:13 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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a one word answer is obviously not your style.
your last line REALLY !!!!
i had an open mind as i like to give everyone a fair crack of the whip.
many on here have been proven right and forecast our demise under his tenure-ship.

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By billh10/12/2021 02:18Fri Dec 10 02:18:53 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Yes, no-one expected to see the disappointments we are witnessing on the pitch, I don't think anyone saw that coming!?

Really.. see my post above, seems quite a lot of people knew it was coming.

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By Vernon Slain10/12/2021 10:42Fri Dec 10 10:42:56 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Another element for this equation is that we had two Covid-curtailed rehearsals before this season's offering.
The defects were plain to see yet not apparently to the one that matters the most.
I have read this thread with interest. Reading and remembering all that has gone on since the Manor Park move.
It's like constantly scratching over an old sore.

A poor imitation.

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By MJNB10/12/2021 09:43Fri Dec 10 09:43:31 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Hindsight...

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By The_Hullablue10/12/2021 10:45Fri Dec 10 10:45:54 2021In response to Re: No subjectTop of thread

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Really not hindsight.
Lots and lots and lots of people predicted this.
I didn't think the predictions were accurate. I thought they were OTT.

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