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Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR20/1 08:55Sat Jan 20 08:55:14 2024

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I believe there are two possible *choices, as follows:-

*In either case the new Pheonix Club would be created as a Society.

1. A Community Society...community led.

2. A Supporters Society...supporters led.

If the two new Investors are proposing to take a majority shareholding in the new Pheonix Club, the constitution would lend itself to a Community Society.

If the two new Investors are proposing to take a minority shareholding in the new Pheonix Club, the constitution would lend itself to a Supporters Society.

I think the two new Investors need to make their intentions clear before they hold the Fans Forum, to present their plans, because the new Pheonix Club will be a new legal entity & will require a Constitution.

Also, the current status of the CIC needs to be explained, together with how the existing Academy & Juniors/Womens/Girls Sections fit into the new plans.

Finally, where it is proposed all of these teams will be playing, after the liquidation of Boro Leisure Ltd.

Please note:

The FA will need to approve the name of the new Pheonix Club.

It may not be possible to continue to use the name Nuneaton Borough?

That said, Bury AFC (their Pheonix Club) have recently successfully been granted permission to return to using the original name Bury FC.

Just my thoughts!

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By danborofc20/1 09:44Sat Jan 20 09:44:08 2024In response to Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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As I’ve informed the coop. The CIC in its full entirety will be signed over the them. Shares, Directorship etc.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By mark-nbfc20/1 09:39Sat Jan 20 09:39:25 2024In response to Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Did you not read what the coop said about their meeting with the people? They want to run it as a private limited company.

Options 1 and option 2 you have posted do not have to be separate, they can come together under the banner of a CIC. This would be my preferred option and is achievable, it just needs to be made up or the right groups, organisations and individuals.

I can see us Boro fans ending up in the same position in a few years time, but this time without a ground.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VS Griff (VS Boro)20/1 10:03Sat Jan 20 10:03:13 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I really hope https://thefsa.org.uk have been contacted.

Whilst the focus on fan ownership (at whatever level) they will probably help with diligence, advice, experience and understanding

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR20/1 09:51Sat Jan 20 09:51:00 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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For clarity Mark, the FA's guidance on Club Structure outlines the following 5 Options:-

1. Unincorporated Association.

2. Private Limited Company (limited by Guarantee).

3. Private Limited Company (limited by Shares).

4. Community Interest Company (CIC) (which can either be limited by Guarantee or limited by Shares).

5. Registered Society (which can either be a Co-operative or a Mutual Benefit Society).

Which is it to be?

Edit:

To reinforce my original statement, do the two new Investors want to be majority or minority shareholders in the new Pheonix Club, or do they want to own & run the business (as a Private Limited Company) (either limited by Guarantee or limited by Shares) to the exclusion of any other interested parties.

Again, which is it to be?

Edited by VoR at 09:53:42 on 20th January 2024
Edited by VoR at 09:59:03 on 20th January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By mark-nbfc20/1 09:56Sat Jan 20 09:56:23 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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For me, it should be 4, but these investors dont seem to be doing that.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR20/1 10:01Sat Jan 20 10:01:07 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Dan has just confirmed what is intended to happen with the CIC.

Edit:

We appear to already have a conflict!?

CIC (or some other possible option), or Private ownership.

Which is it to be?

Edited by VoR at 10:03:49 on 20th January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Barwell Boro (Spurs and Verde)20/1 10:06Sat Jan 20 10:06:10 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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You mean you are trying to start a conflict

Are you involved in sorting the new club out ? If not do you have any say what so ever ?

If you aren’t involved why don’t you let the people are do what they want to do rather than second guessing everything on a forum

Just my thoughts

Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By uneaton burro ("THE ERASER")20/1 09:03Sat Jan 20 09:03:02 2024In response to Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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No text

Edited by "THE ERASER" at 08:23:50 on 27th January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR20/1 09:07Sat Jan 20 09:07:32 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Yes, the warning signs would be there again if the two new Investors intend to be sole owners of the new Pheonix Club.

Again, they need to make their intentions clear before the Fans Forum & issue an Agenda for the meeting, to allow a proper discussion to take place.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)21/1 15:51Sun Jan 21 15:51:42 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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VoR - I think you misunderstand the situation and motives of those proposing the new phoenix. It seems to me that they don't want a forum to discuss where the club should go - they want one to tell us how they are going to do it.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 18:05Sun Jan 21 18:05:11 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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100% correct. They have rejected an fan share of the club or any local boardmember

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Truth, lies or rumour

By stripes4me21/1 19:03Sun Jan 21 19:03:55 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Have you had a meeting with them as you seem to be stating it as a fact?

Don’t forget we were told that if JG stepped away Liberty Way could open back up for us - absolute BS that turned out to be (hope whoever was pushing that particular lie has nothing to do with any phoenix club).

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Re: Truth, lies or rumour

By bert's dad21/1 21:50Sun Jan 21 21:50:13 2024In response to Truth, lies or rumourTop of thread

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Peter Kay ran the Pheonix Club 😀

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Re: Truth, lies or rumour

By VoR21/1 19:57Sun Jan 21 19:57:29 2024In response to Truth, lies or rumourTop of thread

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That would be my concern as well.

'The Sting' is one of my favourite films.

Edited by VoR at 20:25:08 on 21st January 2024

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Re: Truth, lies or rumour

By LukeS (LH)21/1 19:35Sun Jan 21 19:35:30 2024In response to Truth, lies or rumourTop of thread

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Yes, I have.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Jebbs (Jebbsy)21/1 18:32Sun Jan 21 18:32:39 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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These are the ones that want to remain anonymous from Birmingham?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By stripes4me21/1 19:09Sun Jan 21 19:09:01 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Read somewhere they are holding a fans forum in 2 weeks ( again if true) so temporarily anonymous :)

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 19:34Sun Jan 21 19:34:19 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Yes, they agreed this with the Co-op

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Jebbs (Jebbsy)21/1 20:22Sun Jan 21 20:22:41 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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The CIC is being handed to the coop, does this mean the B'ham Anon group will be taking over the CIC from the coop or working with the coop or just not bothering with the CIC at all?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 20:25Sun Jan 21 20:25:05 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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They have are not working with the Co-op, they are starting their own private limited company.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Jebbs (Jebbsy)21/1 20:26Sun Jan 21 20:26:06 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Oh I see. Cheers

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 20:32Sun Jan 21 20:32:47 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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It looks like we could have 3 Pheonix clubs vying for our support, that will give us plenty of games to watch:-

Boro Brummies.

Boro Stars.

Boro Co-op Fantasists.

It is going to be interesting if the FA dump all three clubs in the same League/Division.

Edited by VoR at 20:33:35 on 21st January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By ManorParkBlue21/1 20:37Sun Jan 21 20:37:38 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Can somebody please explain.

These guys from Birmingham. What gives them the right to start a new NBFC?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 20:42Sun Jan 21 20:42:49 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Nothing at all.

Anyone can start a club. Only the fans will decide if it a continuation of Nuneaton Borough.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 20:44Sun Jan 21 20:44:38 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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One problem here, the FA need to be consulted at some point.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 20:51Sun Jan 21 20:51:04 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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And are unlikely to allow anyone to continue with the "Borough" name.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain21/1 20:55Sun Jan 21 20:55:08 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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BCFA are the arbiters on this particular matter.

127–45-26-56–171-198…..160*/381

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain21/1 20:42Sun Jan 21 20:42:47 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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He who pays the piper calls the tune.

127–45-26-56–171-198…..160*/381

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 20:42Sun Jan 21 20:42:14 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I was only thinking that myself earlier!

Our Club still exists until it is Liquidated.

OK, the First Team has resigned from the Southern League but that is as far as it has gone so far...

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 20:46Sun Jan 21 20:46:49 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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It has ceased trading and is insolvent. Technically someone with several hundred thousand pounds could resurrect but there is no point as it has lost it's place in the pyramid.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain21/1 20:52Sun Jan 21 20:52:50 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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A new football club here would need to be registered at BCFA to get an Affiliation Number. This would entail a name for this new club and the Aff No is needed for the application to the League this club wishes to join.
There is the obvious danger,of course,of not getting the desired placing.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 20:52Sun Jan 21 20:52:25 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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If someone did buy Boro Leisure, technically it could be another Pheonix club...the FOURTH!

That would get the FA scratching their heads for a while!

How many different forums are we going to have in the next few weeks to try to understand all of this going forward?...it's akin to preparing for a General Election!

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Gustavus21/1 20:57Sun Jan 21 20:57:14 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Now you are finally understanding why I said the announcement of a Phoenix club was premature. A Phoenix before the flames have even been lit.

In reality I think the winning bid will have the support of former sponsors; a proposed groundshare in the short term; and a link with the separate proposers for Avenue Road.

So I think one clear winner will emerge.

(It’s obvious who would be rabble rousing to stop this btw and say “you need the support of the fans etc”)

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 21:02Sun Jan 21 21:02:26 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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NBBC are going to have to take a leading role in all of this, they are the controlling authority.

There needs to be clear direction from the Town Hall on what is required, to everyone's mutual benefit.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By mark-nbfc21/1 21:09Sun Jan 21 21:09:36 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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The council have already given a clear direction in what type of club that they would be willing to support, see here

https://www.nuneatonandbedworth.gov.uk/news/article/2510/council_renews_nuneaton_borough_fc_as_asset_of_community_value

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 21:18Sun Jan 21 21:18:09 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Yes, they want a properly run football club.

The ACV is now history as far as the Boro are concerned.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain21/1 21:07Sun Jan 21 21:07:31 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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If NBBC had to choose between disposing of their land or directing a new club towards an existing appropriate venue,would they point towards The Oval do you think ?
The Oval could then be developed in the future,at the cost of the Clubs,for any promotion needs in return for secure tenure.
Just a thought.

127–45-26-56–171-198…..160*/381

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 21:20Sun Jan 21 21:20:07 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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NBBC have already identified they need another "Oval style facility" in Nuneaton and have money set aside to deliver it. The money would be limited to delivering the purely the pitch and associate facilities for community members to use, but not spectator facilities.

The land would remain with NBBC.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 11:29Mon Jan 22 11:29:34 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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"The land would remain with NBBC."

At least that would keep the ground and the football club separate. I seem to remember we were told that was the situation that guaranteed us security for the future ;)

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 11:34Mon Jan 22 11:34:15 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Coventry RFC are quite happy with their plans to further develop the BPA to 10,000 capacity, based on their 100-year lease with Coventry City Council.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 12:57Mon Jan 22 12:57:32 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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VoR, I think you missed the smiley at the end. It was a wry comment that the football club not owning the ground was proposed by Stocker as a safeguard, but turned out to be the single issue that has led to where we are now.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 13:00Mon Jan 22 13:00:28 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I thought Stocker proposed that the ground was put into a Sporting Trust?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 13:04Mon Jan 22 13:04:25 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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And doesn't that involve it not belonging to the football club?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 13:33Mon Jan 22 13:33:03 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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It was to be a Community Trust, with the Stadium in joint use by both the Boro & the Nuns.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 15:30Mon Jan 22 15:30:38 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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So the short answer to my question is "yes, that does involve the ground not belonging to the football club".

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 15:44Mon Jan 22 15:44:35 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I don't know.

There is not a 'one size fits all' for Trusts.

It is a complicated subject.

Edit:

I think the original concept was that the ground was held in Trust for the two clubs in equal shares & neither club could sell the ground but there would also be a groundshare put in place.

A gift to the sporting community?

Edited by VoR at 15:48:31 on 22nd January 2024
Edited by VoR at 15:49:43 on 22nd January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 21:32Sun Jan 21 21:32:01 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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For clarity:-

The FA's ground-grading requirements for Level 8/Step 4 are as follows:-

Total capacity 1300.

Covered accomodation 300, including 150 seats.

Floodlight lighting level (new installations) 200 lux.

There could be an area set-aside initially for a fan-zone to accomodate mobile food outlets on matchdays & also a beer tent (if required)...something similar to the fanzone at Franklins Gardens (Northampton Saints RFC)...it's a very good set-up.

Edited by VoR at 21:33:22 on 21st January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain21/1 21:23Sun Jan 21 21:23:13 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Hadn’t absorbed that Luke,Cheers.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 21:13Sun Jan 21 21:13:01 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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IMO, not viable Vernon for anyone concerned.

Although a short-term 5-year groundshare at the Oval for the eventual Pheonix club would be a bonus, while Avenue Road is going through Planning & a limited new Stadium construction is completed.

Edit:

The best of both worlds.

Edited by VoR at 21:14:14 on 21st January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 20:55Sun Jan 21 20:55:54 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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It wouldn't be a phoenix club, it would still be the same Nuneaton Borough that resigned from the Southern League - but they would have to find a league that would accept them.

And it's not going to happen due to the level of debt.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 21:20Sun Jan 21 21:20:46 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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So, a very remote possibility that Nuneaton Borough could be re-constructed, together with 3 Pheonix clubs, all vying for our support.

I think I will read the Bury supporter AlanD's post again!

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Gustavus21/1 21:33Sun Jan 21 21:33:18 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Only one club can have involvement with the operators of Avenue Road.

I keep saying this but there isnt a pot of money available for Avenue Road but there are possible sources of funding,

In reality once those who pay the piper decide on the route they will call the tune.

Edited by Gustavus at 21:34:37 on 21st January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 21:23Sun Jan 21 21:23:50 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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It's unlikely an investor model would progress with their project if they were not the sole club - the risk of losing their capital would be too great for them and any backers

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR21/1 21:40Sun Jan 21 21:40:10 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Understandable.

IMO, an Investor model would be most suited to building a new Stadium in Phases to an eventual 5000 capacity, including 2000 seats, after 3 years of continuous membership of the EFL.

That would allow membership of EFL League One & League Two.

Membership of the Championship requires a minimum 5000 all-seater Stadium.

The FA permit Stadium construction on 3 sides, which is very helpful in planning new Stadium design.

Edited by VoR at 21:40:20 on 21st January 2024
Edited by VoR at 21:40:50 on 21st January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VS Griff (VS Boro)22/1 11:20Mon Jan 22 11:20:15 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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What is required for Premier and ultimately Champions league?

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By bert's dad22/1 11:29Mon Jan 22 11:29:41 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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A wall around Griff’s ground.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 11:21Mon Jan 22 11:21:35 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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A groundshare with the Sky Blues at the CBS.

Happy?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 11:13Mon Jan 22 11:13:54 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Not that EFL talk again, VoR. There was only the remotest possibility of us ever reaching EFL in the recent history of Boro. With the events of this season, that chance has disappeared completely. It's fairy dust talk to even consider it!

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 11:19Mon Jan 22 11:19:26 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Greg, I will spell it out for you in capitals!

IT IS ABOUT FUTURE-PROOFING THE CLUB.

We have to plan for what may happen in the future, put a Stadium proposal together, that can be built in phases over many years but making sure that the phasing allows the progressive construction to be unhindered by abortive work...DO EVERY JUST THE ONCE...DON'T WASTE MONEY!

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 11:24Mon Jan 22 11:24:34 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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VoR, I will spell it out for you in capitals:

BORO HAS NEVER BEEN AN EFL LEVEL LEAGUE TEAM, AND NEVER WILL BE. IF WE REFORM THREE DIVISIONS DOWN, WE WILL BE SO FAR AWAY FROM EFL THAT IT WOULD BE SHEER MADNESS TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT - A BIT LIKE PREPARING AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS SEASON FOR OUR FUTURE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE CAMPAIGN. THAT IS THE GULF YOU ARE PROPOSING WE SHOULD AIM TO BRIDGE.

Future proofing our club involves finding or building a ground that fulfils the needs of whichever league we play in, with plans for one division above and then sticking within our means. That's it - no more is needed.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 11:30Mon Jan 22 11:30:53 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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In your opinion Greg but not necessarily the opinion of future Investors, or what may be possible with the Club in the right hands over the next 30 years?

As I have said...BUILD THE STADIUM IN PHASES TO SUIT OUR PROGRESS THROUGH THE LEAGUES.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 13:02Mon Jan 22 13:02:11 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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So we need a stadium space for the Midland Combination that would be large enough for us to expand the ground for a potential Champions League campaign? It's madness, VoR - and I am gobsmacked that you can't see it!

Yes, the aim would be to start low and work upward - but surely even a dreamer like you can see that there is an upper limit to what is practical in the foreseeable future? EFL has always been beyond Boro in the past. With the way that football has developed, clubs much bigger than Boro has ever been can't maintain EFL level. So isn't it madness to even think that we need to be thinking about that at a time when we are not sure we will be fit for Pauls Land next season?

Edited by Greg (NBFC) at 13:02:27 on 22nd January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 13:13Mon Jan 22 13:13:19 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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We have the land area at Gala Field, to expand the Stadium to match what we had at LW.

We just have to plan the Stadium layout to suit a 5000 capacity Stadium & make sure the pitch is located in the correct position.

The likelihood is that the long side, parallel to the Wem Brook will be unused (initially) & narrow, which would comply with a 3-sided Stadium design & allow for a potential 2000 (future) capacity Main Stand on the opposite side (similar to AFC Telford United's Main Stand).

The boundary fence would be set out & erected to suit a 5000 capacity Stadium.

It would be on a similar principle to that adopted by Nantwich Town but with a longer, narrower Main Stand, that would eventually run the length of the pitch.

THE KEY DRIVER IS CORRECTLY LOCATING THE PITCH AT THE START OF THE STADIUM DEVELOPMENT.

Edit:

Until we have built facilities, we will need a Fanzone within the Stadium boundary.

Edited by VoR at 13:14:18 on 22nd January 2024
Edited by VoR at 13:17:25 on 22nd January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VS Griff (VS Boro)22/1 13:34Mon Jan 22 13:34:15 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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“We”?

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)22/1 13:18Mon Jan 22 13:18:51 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Yes, a staged approach to expanding the stadium, but with a overall final design to ensure you don't make things costly/difficult/impossible to achieve as you progress the plan. And as you say, the key part is the pitch location

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 13:26Mon Jan 22 13:26:45 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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You build everything ONCE, so you need to agree the final design for the 5000 capacity Stadium from the outset & then you build it in phases to suit the FA's ground-grading requirements as you progress up through the Leagues.

You start with a modern 4-pylon LED floodlighting system, with directional lighting at 250 lux, to suit the National.

The FA have recently upgraded their floodlighting requirement for new installations in the lower leagues to 200 lux.

Edit:

You take EXTREME CARE in the design phasing to AVOID ABORTIVE WORK.

The 5000 capacity Stadium design NEEDS TO GAIN A FULL PLANNING PERMISSION FROM THE OUTSET.

Edited by VoR at 13:28:57 on 22nd January 2024
Edited by VoR at 13:30:43 on 22nd January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain22/1 13:32Mon Jan 22 13:32:16 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I get that. Quite understandable too. But how far up the pyramid does an artificial pitch allow. Then that brings the Ladies and Underage Teams into the equation where,because of the amount of usage,an artificial pitch would be a necessity. Potential pitfalls that have to be discussed.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VS Griff (VS Boro)22/1 13:35Mon Jan 22 13:35:57 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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League 2 (old 4th division) is the lowest level that does not allow 3G

Harrogate had to tear theirs up

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain22/1 13:39Mon Jan 22 13:39:50 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I mentioned the pitch because I have been lost in the whirlpool of posts and am of the opinion that the successful bidders for the new entity will inherit the Ladies Team and Underage Teams too. Am I wrong in this supposition ?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)22/1 13:49Mon Jan 22 13:49:44 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Not necessarily.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain22/1 13:53Mon Jan 22 13:53:40 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Not necessarily.. ? My assumption of the inheritance ?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)22/1 13:56Mon Jan 22 13:56:47 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Yes, they are legal separate, hence why they are unaffected by the demise of Boro Leisure.

It's highly likely they would opt to remain so.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Vernon Slain22/1 14:01Mon Jan 22 14:01:52 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I refer to this because there is a debate ongoing in Boro Chat with all sorts of options for the new Avenue Road Stadium and the necessary slots for the Ladies Team and Underage Teams to play on xG pitch.
The Bury FC fan’s post yesterday pointed out the dangers of multiple plans for a resurrected team.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 15:34Mon Jan 22 15:34:42 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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"the new Avenue Road Stadium"

Have I missed something? Do we already have a stadium sorted to be built on the Avenue Road site?

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Avenue Road option - A problem

By VS Griff (VS Boro)22/1 18:57Mon Jan 22 18:57:12 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Will it be able to cater for 5000+ spectators leaving after a midland League Division 2 play off final?

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Avenue Road option - A problem

By Eileen Dover22/1 19:43Mon Jan 22 19:43:49 2024In response to Avenue Road option - A problemTop of thread

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Can't see a problem. Leaving the car park at Oakwood School in Morris Drive, turn left to go the island 75 yards away, then left to Attleborough or right up to Hill Top and Coventry Road . Alternatively, straight out on to Caldwell Road and on to the Arches and then down Coton Road to the town

Edited by Eileen Dover at 19:44:28 on 22nd January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)22/1 16:56Mon Jan 22 16:56:38 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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It a possible site for a stadium, being explored by several parties.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Greg (NBFC)22/1 18:02Mon Jan 22 18:02:22 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Ah, I see. Reading the threads on here, it seems to be under discussion as a done deal. Some are even discussing pitch orientation and development over the next 20 years up to EFL standards!!!!

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By MJNB22/1 18:13Mon Jan 22 18:13:13 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Barely anyone has a clue what’s gonna happen but people like to feel important making out like they do or have been told ins and outs.

LukeS seems credible tbf. Others seem to be guessing guessing and further guessing with little substance.

Let’s VS

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VS Griff (VS Boro)22/1 18:25Mon Jan 22 18:25:20 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Lets wait and see indeed.

Totally understandable rumours and interest will abound.
There are probably many involved in this, but until something from creditable statements are made its conjuncture.
FFS the club only died 5 days ago (but was inevitable).

many thought DA Capital were going to be the saviours.

If any party is using this to push a narrative thats dangerous and wrong.

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VS Griff (VS Boro)22/1 17:15Mon Jan 22 17:15:11 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Source of this “being explored by many parties”.

Whilst perhaps true, until these parties make a statement then it’s just rumour. Fact they haven’t could mean it’s bullshit OR they don’t want their plans revealed yet.

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)22/1 17:21Mon Jan 22 17:21:54 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I've talked personally to two parties.

I've also had discussions myself with council representatives on how this could work with a community football club as an operator, similar to the Bedworth United model.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)22/1 14:08Mon Jan 22 14:08:37 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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The xG pitch would be available for anyone to use, and support multiple teams in the Boro "family" or outside.

The ladies and juniors would have an option to use it, should they wish.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR22/1 13:33Mon Jan 22 13:33:58 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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The National, no higher.

Edit:

To be promoted to EFL League Two, the artificial pitch would need to be ripped up & replaced by a grass pitch...(Harrogate Town & Sutton United).

Once in the National, you have to demonstrate how the Stadium can be upgraded to 5000 capacity, including 1000 seats initially, for entry into EFL League Two.

After 3 continuous years in the EFL, the Stadium has to be further upgraded to 5000 capacity, including 2000 seats.

The Championship requires a minimum 5000 all-seater Stadium.

Edited by VoR at 13:39:57 on 22nd January 2024

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By LukeS (LH)21/1 18:53Sun Jan 21 18:53:34 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Yes

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By boro4420/1 09:32Sat Jan 20 09:32:02 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I think they will, I’m sure they know the past history of the Boro !!!

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By uneaton burro ("THE ERASER")20/1 09:16Sat Jan 20 09:16:27 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By mark-nbfc20/1 09:42Sat Jan 20 09:42:31 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Based on their prior interest, and what they have said to the co-op, it feels like they have already an idea of how they want to run it, have rushed ahead and set things in motion unfortunately

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Hope is not a plan.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Armchair vulture20/1 09:44Sat Jan 20 09:44:23 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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I'd have zero interest in a new Boro without fan representation on the board Mark- as a minimum.

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By VoR20/1 09:25Sat Jan 20 09:25:34 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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The approach the two new Investors take in preparing for the Fans Forum will give us a good idea as to what they are about?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By uneaton burro ("THE ERASER")20/1 09:36Sat Jan 20 09:36:49 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Barwell Boro (Spurs and Verde)20/1 09:41Sat Jan 20 09:41:03 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Is there any point to a pheonix club ?

Probably be badly run and just go bust within 20 years

Sort of the history of Nuneaton now …. Not success on the pitch - practically never had any of that but just being the club that is always badly run and keeps going bust - sorry but bit of waste of time and money supporting them

Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By uneaton burro ("THE ERASER")20/1 09:48Sat Jan 20 09:48:26 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By Armchair vulture20/1 09:45Sat Jan 20 09:45:36 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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The third collapse of Nuneaton Boro in the last few decades begs the question: Is a non league football club in Nuneaton actually viable?

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Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - Choices

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)20/1 11:51Sat Jan 20 11:51:04 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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Yes

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FFS

By Unnamed Sauce ((Dysfunctional sector))20/1 09:44Sat Jan 20 09:44:00 2024In response to Re: Pheonix Club Constitution - ChoicesTop of thread

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It's PHOENOX

At least if you are going to go on and on and on and on about estiblishing one, have the gud sonce to

SPOOL IT PRPERRLY!

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Re: FFS

By VS Griff (VS Boro)20/1 11:53Sat Jan 20 11:53:48 2024In response to FFSTop of thread

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Sorry - also guilty as charged. Some people are good at maths; some are gud at Englush.

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: FFS

By Unnamed Sauce ((Dysfunctional sector))20/1 19:13Sat Jan 20 19:13:31 2024In response to Re: FFSTop of thread

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It's not about being gud. it's about checking what you post before you start spouting garbage.

Some posters don't bother with that malarkey. They just cut and paste gibberish asap and whack it up online so that they can log their millionth comment of the day/week/month. All this to demonstrate how brilliant they are intellectually and how stupid the rest of us are.

Biggest (of several) bullets pumped hourly into the foot is that they cannot even spell what they are banging on about.
Does not inspire conficende.

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Re: FFS

By boro4420/1 19:31Sat Jan 20 19:31:52 2024In response to Re: FFSTop of thread

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Any one in mind.

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