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Statement from the Supporters Co-Op Steering Group
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At a meeting on 29 January 2024, the Supporters Co-operative agreed to form a Steering Group to explore options for rebuilding the football club. The Steering Group met on 5 February 2024 and unanimously agreed that any new club MUST have the fans at the heart of its decision-making process. This means elected fan representatives taking a leading role in the clubโs governance to ensure transparency and accountability.
๐๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง? The Steering Group supports the formation of a Community Interest Company (CIC) that benefits not only the football club but the town as a whole. Our view is that a CIC is preferable to a club led by a private business, which would not necessarily act for the community. A CIC is the ideal vehicle for us, as proud Nuneatonians, to make a positive impact on our local community. The Supporters Co-operative is supporting a group of sponsors and sporting bodies within the community to build a club and team for the future.
๐๐ก๐จ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐? The board of the CIC will consist of elected fan representatives, sponsors and other local institutions. It will not be run by the Supporters Co-operative, and will NOT be run to raise money for owners and shareholders.
๐๐ก๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ง? Forming a CIC will end the boom-and-bust cycle that has dogged the club throughout its recent history and enable us to leave a lasting legacy for future generations of Boro fans.
๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐? A CIC is the best way to ensure that revenue raised by the football club will be reinvested solely for the benefit of the football club and the local community โ something that we, the Steering Group, believe in passionately.
๐๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ง๐๐๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ก๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ง? Discussions are already well underway to form a new club. The deadline for our application to join the National League System in time for next season is 1 March 2024.
๐๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง? We aim to apply for step 5 but no new club can guarantee where it will be placed in the National League System.
๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐ ? We have identified short-term groundshare opportunities and these will be followed up in the next few days. We are also in talks to bring the club back to its own ground in Nuneaton as soon as possible.
๐๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐? We want to involve fans from the outset and intend to run a poll, with the help of the Football Supportersโ Association so you can choose the name of YOUR club. Details will follow as soon as the poll has been set up.
๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐๐ก ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ข๐ญ ๐๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ โ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จโ๐ฌ ๐ ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฉ๐๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ข๐ญ? We have talked with local businesses and prospective sponsors about funding. As long as the fan base is behind us, we believe the cost of getting our club back up and running in the National League System will not be beyond our reach.
๐๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ง๐๐ฑ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ฉ๐ฌ: All of these discussions are gathering pace with a view to finalising firm commitments in the coming days. The Steering Group is meeting again on 12 February 2024 and will share more information with fans after that.
๐๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐๐ง ๐๐๐ง๐ฌ ๐๐จ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ก๐๐ฅ๐ฉ? We urge all Boro fans to join the Supporters Co-operative. Thereโs strength in numbers and a united front is key to giving you, the long-suffering fans, the club you deserve.
Join by emailing your name and contact details to [email protected] and transferring ยฃ2 for annual membership or ยฃ20 life membership to our bank account (Sort Code: 08-92-99 Acc No.: 65079717) with your name in the reference.
For more information, please contact the Supporters Co-operative at: [email protected]
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I've got a couple of jumpers that can be used for goal posts , also the misses will let me have 2 bob out the housekeeping money . Lol lol
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H&H withdraw
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Lasted longer than DA Capital
https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/nuneatonboroughfc/news/proposals-withdrawn-2832109.html
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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H and H back?
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According to Boro Chat H and H back on again.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Interesting
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https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/nuneatonboroughfc/news/proposals-withdrawn-2832109.html
This was their withdrawal statement.
I wanted to check my memory, in that the said "We dont want to split the fanbase"
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Interesting
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Has their statement been removed?
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That was my point.
They announce "new team"
They announce "withdrawn" (as per link).
now......who knows
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Interesting
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Looks like they've realised the fan base is already split.
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Hardly a split , again they said that about the co-op again they misjudged the room
Iโm confident that will change soon enough also
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Some fans want a H&H approach to running a football club.
Some fans want a CIC approach to running a football club.
If that's not a split fanbase I don't know what is.
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Re: Interesting
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If I have read things properly.
H&H did not want to split the fan base so pulled out.
If they have now re-penetrated then surly this goes against what they said.
Due to timing of closure and fact Liberty Way seems closed for good I would liked to have seen a "year off". I understand the rush, but perhaps a year off would have also helped enthusiasm when it did return
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Interesting
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If you eead properly they said they are considering coming back because a number of fans have contacted them and asked them to
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I was stating the reason for pulling out. They did not want to split the fan-base.......but have returned* and in doing so have split the fanbase.
* Where is this announced? How does anyone contact them?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
Edited by VS Boro at 11:56:55 on 11th February 2024
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Again i will repeat they haven't returned yet but are considering it because fans have asked them to
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Re: Interesting
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H&H pulled out because they needed the backing of Elliott, Cook et al in order to finance anything, and theyโve put their weight behind the CIC model.
So much nonsense on Facebook the last few days, but I think Harris has pretty much confirmed that.
Not sure how theyโre now in a position to โresurrectโ anything based off a few mouthy sods begging them to come back on Boro Chat.
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Mouthy sods, really, people are entitled to their opinion and who is to say those backing the supporters group are right especially as some involved in the old club are apparently going to be involved!!!
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Re: Interesting
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H&H seemingly had a bigger role in the club towards the end than had been evident at the time.
They were involved in discussions with the manager about setting revised playing budgets.
As for "mouthy sods", maybe that is his opinion and surely he is entitled to it, yeah?
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I'm just about 100% they we're at games towards the end sitting with our club officials . That was certainly the case at St Ives .
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Holliday certainly contributed to JG blackouts (as could be seen on his Facebook page).
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Some from the old club are involved in the H and H club.
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And they use the old clubs social media for communications.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Why did the Steering Group decide a different approach to starting a new club was needed?
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Because the whole point of the co-op is to have proper, meaningful representation at a Nuneaton football club, and they proposal put forward by H&H did not allow for that.
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Re: Interesting
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I hope they identified having a club run/owned by one person has failed time and time again.
Perhaps the more influential ones realise if they are to financially support a club they want their money spent wisely and not for someoneโs vanity.
A criticism of the sponsors is they were culpable in the failure of Boro Leisure. What is not clear is how much they knew. (I may be wrong) but they all seem behind this new venture
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
Edited by VS Boro at 14:43:25 on 15th February 2024
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My feeling is that Liberty Way may well eventually turn out to be the Ace in The Hole.
Nuneaton Borough FC is deadโKilled by incompetence.
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They've realised the fanbase is already split.
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It's also possible a year off could work the opposite with fans finding other things to do or clubs to support .
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Oh yes. That could happen.
I am more the "my dog has died, I dont want another one"...........then after a period of mourning a new dog is acquired.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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This is OMO of course, but i think that the Council will have the final say , probably due to past history ,they will want a community /fan run club / stadium.
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H&H = BS Central
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IF true, how can you trust these chancers, I give you;
1. We will walk away, we will not split the fan base - going back on that already then.
2. We looked at numerous clubs but we keep coming back to this one - of course you have it's FREE & you don't really have your own funds do you.
3. We are not in it to make a profit - then changed this to our investors will want a return.
Not the best start with transparency & trust is it.
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Supporters really need to ask themselves what is really is H&H plan to bring football back to Nuneatonโฆ..
Simple they donโt have one and extremely doubtful that they will if they ever made a come back for the third time
Why would the council give a private for profit enterprise civic land ?
They wonโt , in turn their only choice would be private land and a lengthy planning application โฆ who pays ?
Secondly they revealed their Hinckley ground share talks of which SE is a main sponsor, why would Hinckley alienate one of their main benefactors?
Thus weakening any negotiations straight away with Hinckley, who pays for their bravado and the totally unsavvy approach, yes itโs you โฆwith a football club at all costs
All I can say if. H&H resurrect their plans I will be done with the club , withdraw my support and sponsorship
What we have is a real step change from the boom and bust management, a chance to shape our club ,secure our long term future and establish something for the entire town a lasting legacy
UTB
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I think the SE sponsorship is a complex issue. He also sponsors Bedworth (and I believe Barwell).
With respect to Hinckley Road. Boro Leisure discounted this (and Rugby) due to cost. Have they dropped their demands?
Shame H&H can't join forces with the new initiative. Not wanting to be part seems to indicate "it's my way, or no way".
(I hope) the new initiative have a board with equal rights and (difficult I know) that this is respected and not dictated by those with most money*
There is a lot of talk about the council. Times have changed, and my best hope would for the council to pay for a facility available to all BUT get someone private to run it for them. This could open the way for a mens football team to rent it.
I was very "not bothered" about a new club (in any guise), but I am slightly more enthusiastic now.
* I still claim the biggest "investors" are those who pay at the turnstile. 200 paying (say) ยฃ5 is ยฃ21,000pa.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Interesting that Harris put on boro chat yesterday their budget of 40k per annum for a ground share
Who reveals their budget without any deal in place ?
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He also said they had the backing to buy Liberty Way but then admitted they were never given an asking price so did not in fact have the money to buy it.
They had no groundshare agreement, they had no backers, they had nothing concrete, and they tried to use our badge to start a brand new club, in a different town, in a different county.
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I have no problem. If thats what Hinckley Road have offered.
JUST TAKE THIS IN
ยฃ40,000 for 12 month ground share.
Boro Leisure failed/could not pay ยฃ12,000 for a ground share.
What does that say about Boro Leisure?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Just wondering if a one year groundshare agreement would be acceptable to any League. Thought that there would be a need for a longer lease but I may be nit-picking.
Nuneaton Borough FC is deadโKilled by incompetence.
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according to andy walsh its a one year lease with a one year option minimum
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Wasnโt disputing anything CHR but the Rulebook of any League that a club wishes to join will dictate terms of admittance. That being my point.
Nuneaton Borough FC is deadโKilled by incompetence.
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don't shoot the messenger :-) , just passing on minimum groundshare agreements for step 5/6 midlands leagues
interestingly ground grading has just been put into one national body with over 100 grounds in non league failing ground grading standards...
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Shame H&H can't join forces with the new initiative. Not wanting to be part seems to indicate "it's my way, or no way".
I think the same could be said of this "group of sponsors" and the co-op.
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Surely if they are putting in cash (may be wrong but I heard that HH wanted them to provide around 70% of the finance) then they should expect the majority say on how it's spent?
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It's been mentioned on here that that isn't the way to do things (people putting more money in having more say)
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Lots of things have been said on here, Jebbs.
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No way (from my knowledge) does the coop want "its my way or no way".
If H&H have 90% of shares and flood the board with directors then the presence of the coop would be irrelevent. It was something I championed in the past, but now an opportunity has arisen for something different.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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That part was in reference to this "group of sponsors" and it being a shame they couldn't see a way to back this new venture.
But ego's and all that.
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Again, Jebbs, I have asked Stephen Harris a few times on Borochat if they can get behind the CIC plan. I believe someone involved directly in that plan has issued an official invitation to them. It seems their egos may be too big to allow them to do that.
Edited by Greg (NBFC) at 12:33:09 on 11th February 2024
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Maybe he dreams of getting into the football league which the CIC route won't allow.
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I don't think there's anything inherent in a CIC setup that prevents entry into the EFL. I could be wrong on that though.
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I put too much trust in what's written on here ๐
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exeter and wimbledon are cic's
as is chesterfield on the brink of EFL
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And even if not, FL is a pipe dream so irrelevant.
If it ever does become a reality I dare say there would be options to change.
When H&H spoke about FL (about 10 mins in) I was considering leaving as (to me) it was fantasy and showed lack of understanding.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Where as all the models used in the last 100 years has?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Don't know the man but maybe he doesn't dwell on the past.
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Who?
So we should not look at what has happened in the past?
Thankfully people learn (or should) from past events.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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I thought we were on about this Harris fella
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I do not think it is ego on either side, but philosophy.
H&H want to own a football club. Any football club.
They want to get a financial reward for doing so.
The co-op, sponsors and other institutions (I think that was how they were listed), want to revive The Boro and The Boro only.
They want a fan-focused community club that cannot be used by anyone in the pursuit of profit and pension plans.
There isn't a compromise that I can see.
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A chance has been identified to bring all of the former NBFC satellite sections under one umbrella. To get them a new ground with a xG pitch (in the future of course) and to attempt to sail this ship to a debt-free port. Just the Co-Op and the dissenters needed now.
Nuneaton Borough FC is deadโKilled by incompetence.
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And the people to supply the finance?
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If you checked your facts they have been contacted by several fans aking them not to walk away and to continue with their plans, and they havent said they are back yet they are just gauging the level of support
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โ facts โ !! Makes me smile that one. The one thing missing right from the start of this unmitigated disaster is the facts.
Oh,and that is a fact.
127โ45-26-56โ171-198โฆ..160*/381
Edited by Vernon Slain at 10:21:25 on 11th February 2024
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H and H are meeting someone about a ground in Nuneaton, Harris said that, so that's a fact as far as I'm concerned.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Someoneโฆ.a groundโฆhardly facts. Need some meat on the bone to be facts.
Nuneaton Borough FC is deadโKilled by incompetence.
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No its a fact he wrote it down. I know what you mean, but the point is that H and H are still interested in setting up a club.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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What the feckโฆโฆโWe have looked at many clubs โ tells us all we need to know this sort of new Boro is exactly what the supporters do NOT need.
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There has been a regrouping,so I wonder who is pulling their strings ? Someone with a vested interest perhaps ?
Nuneaton Borough FC is deadโKilled by incompetence.
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A fair few posters on boro chat particularly the younger ones are prepared to support H&H. They want a club to support next season at a proper ground and they want to see some ambition . That's what they want and H&H might be able to offer that . How they do it there not too fussed . There's been rumours about a former sponsor led alternative with possable support from the co-op but until that becomes something concrete and not just rumour what else have they got to go with .
Edited by almost average 2 at 10:42:01 on 11th February 2024
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Two things there. First, it seems that without the sponsors providing finance, it seems that H&H can offer step 7 at best on a ground with minimal facilities. The "young" fans on Borochat seem to have not worked that one out.
Second, the Co-op has actually issued a statement giving the outline of the offering they support. That's not a rumour, it's a plan of action. Remember that their initiative is less than a week old, so obviously the detail has not been finalised.
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Is it just a rumour?
I thought the co-op had issued a statement saying that.
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The words "We need investors" is often used without any explanation what the term "investor" means in the context of a football club; Particularly with a new one that has no ground (but kit sorted).
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Question.
Why is this on NBFC website - NBFC does not exist.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Guessing someone has the passwords to the website to post and the domain is paid up for a while - normally you buy them 12 months a time so why not use it
Pretty common sense to use it - you already have the audience - they using all the regular social mediaโs aswell not just the website
Get me the passwords Iโll update it for you ๐๐
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
Edited by Spurs and Verde at 19:00:41 on 7th February 2024
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Because in a coup the first thing the plotters do is take control of the tv station!
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It's the easiesst way to get the message to the 'fanbase'
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Not really a loss is it?
Couple of chancers who wanted to spend other peopleโs money.
Now Nuneaton will decide what future it wants for its football team!
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Negative comments on this forum will not attract anyone to invest in a football club in Nuneaton. Whoever comes along next will get the same treatment. Seems a lot of people on this forum donโt want to see a football club in Nuneaton especially one that thrives.
This will be my last post on here.
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You do not need to announce your departure.
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And a fans run club will never work when fans constantly make comments about other fans having opinionsโฆ
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Well said Dougie you are spot on
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โSeems a lot of people on this forum donโt want to see a football club in Nuneaton especially one that thrives.โ
Who does not want the only initiative on the table to fail?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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A poll on Facebook indicated massive support for H&H (75% or so) and they pulled out.
And I am really unsure what the word โinvestโ actually means when it comes to a football club.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
Edited by VS Boro at 19:43:01 on 7th February 2024
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Percentages mean nothing based on a vote that lasted one day and involved a small group of people.
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Seems a lot of people on this forum donโt want to see a football club in Nuneaton especially one that thrives.
Didnโt think one ever has or not one Iโm aware of ๐ค
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If a negative post on here stops someone taking over then good, they are far too emotional to be in charge xx
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This
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100%
Away with all fly by nights. God knows we've had enough of them.
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Decorated former player
Guy Hadland ? He was at the meeting last week and seemed pretty vocal
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Probably the topic of the best Boro chant from the midland division era. And one the Boro fans will be belting out at every away game next season :-)
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Re: H&H withdraw
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Didnโt want to split the fanbase so walked away
But by walking away it seems they might have split the fanbase - even if admittedly small amount on other forum
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I would say "large amount"
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Dunno about splitting the fanbase, just seems to be a bunch of kids that thought these guys would throw loads of money at the club and race back through the leagues.
Completely oblivious to the fact that spending obscene money on players for the last 4 or 5 years that has got us in to this mess.
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Well we all know who was spending it
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I hate this whole "kids" v "grown ups" shit.
It is unbecoming of anyone.
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So kids donโt have a say ๐๐๐๐๐
No comment
Isnโt it adults who made decisions about spending money on lots of players last few years and not paying rent that got us in this trouble - maybe kids would be better owners - I mean I pay my bills on time ;)
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Yes - I agree very bad wording.
What the club needs is more young people being involved with off-the-field activities.
and its not just kids who wanted H&H
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Love how people say we need a fanbase and a club for the future then disrespect the main audience demographic you need to attract to get a fanbase now and in the future and will be โlookingโ after the club in the future
Funny
And like I said โadultsโ have made boro go bust 3 times in 30 years so going by my maths
Kids 0-3 adults - in awful boro decision makers and owners ๐
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It's also worth asking where that money was actually coming from!
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Well it certainly seems like they didnโt particularly have any, and would be reliant on the โold guardโ of Stuart, Cook, Kash etc. to fund it. Without those guys on board, they had nothing so have pulled out.
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IIRC some would come from National sponsors :)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
Edited by VS Boro at 17:32:54 on 7th February 2024
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And a huge amount from local sponsors.
And negligible amount from โinvestorsโ
There are some Boro supporters would believe absolutely anything even if Pinocchio was presenting.
Two on here - not posting at the moment - have been wrong about every issue since this sorry saga startedโ
How many times over the years have we been through this?
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Can i ask where you think Supporters group/Co-op are going to get their money from?? Oh yes same place local spinsors
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Can i ask where you think H&H were going to get their money from (given local sponsors did not want to be involved). Local sponsors pull out, quickly followed by H&H quitting
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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They wanted to get it from local sponsors, the same place Supporters group will need to get their money from, H&H have pulled out because they weren't going to get the backing from local sponsors, will Supporters group, remains to be seen
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Seeing as the supporters group are joing with a group of local sponsors, then it all seems to be pointing to the answer being "yes".
It is important to remember this is not a co-op run club they have announced today, it is them working with local businesses and institutions.
So far we know they have Boro's longest standing sponsor on board, who the others are we have no idea.
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So far we know they have Boro's longest standing sponsor on board, who the others are we have no idea.
Has this been confirmed somewhere then?
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I thought it had.
Maybe I am just guilty of assuming Stuart Elliott is involved as people have been slagging him off.
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I donโt think much has been announced at all yet.
There was an aspirational statement from coop
Then the chancers blew their toys out of the pram, load of bitchy comments on the official club outlets and bizarre name checking for random people who had helped them.
Thatโs it so far!
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And a "erm, how did I help?" from one of those namechecked.
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Get the impression Justin Palmer and Derek Dunacchie are involved too
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The band is really getting back together isn't it.......
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So as far as i can see it's the same group of sponsors who were running the club when we were not paying the bills before minus Jimmy . Would that be right ?
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Were the sponsors ever running the club? If so, that's a really weird way of running club (or any other organisation).
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There was an Operational Board.
I don't why some posters are dancing around the Maypole on this one, they need to face up to the reality of our situation, now that H&H have withdrawn their interest.
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Thanks for the advice VoR.
SO we're all stupid twats ready to be 'educated by our masters' most people on this forum ard not brainwashed by constantant repitition.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Poor wording from me but i'm sure you've got enough about you to understand the point .
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What you seem to be asking is whether the people who have financially supported the club for many years are still prepared to support the new club financially. I think the answer to that is yes.
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It's looks that way AA (if the names mentioned on here are true, there been nothing from any of them yet)
They all played their part in the murder of the old Club, now they appear to be setting up a new Club without even washing the blood from their hands.
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I'll treat them the same as i would have H&H . Go in with an open mind and see what happens .
So many of the names that are coming up seem to be people who were involved in the club during Jimmy's tenure .
Maybe Jimmy was the problem , hopefully they have learned from past mistakes . Certainly not the fresh start i was hoping for but if it's the only option on the table and if i want a club to support going to have to see where it goes .
Edited by almost average 2 at 09:51:23 on 8th February 2024
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โMaybe Jimmy was the problem โ only maybe!
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What has happened is my worst fear, I posted about it on here recently...
'US' & 'THEM'
We now only have 'US' depending on your view of who 'US' is?
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I'll treat them the same as i would have H&H . Go in with an open mind and see what happens .
So many of the names that are coming up seem to be people who were involved in the club during Jimmy's tenure .
Maybe Jimmy was the problem , hopefully they have learned from past mistakes . Certainly not the fresh start i was hoping for but if it's the only option on the table and i want a club to support going to have to see where it goes .
I know what you mean.
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Thanks you make my point for me!
So itโs far better to have a proper structure with transparency and accountability and the involvement of people who actually care about our town rather than a couple of chancers living off other people's money who have no resources of their own !
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So itโs far better to have a proper structure with transparency and accountability and the involvement of people who actually care about our town rather than a couple of chancers living off other people's money who have no resources of their own !
Who are these people? I've seen names on here but nothing official... obviously the Coop but ...?
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The Dozen Backers
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1, Stuart Elliot
2, George Eliot
3, William White
4, Mary Whitehouse
5, Elliott Whitehouse
6, Bill Berry from REM
7, Larry Grayson
8, Mary Ann Evans
9, a group from Camphill
10, Some blokes from Hill Top
11, Monk D'Wally D'Honk
12, Nicholas Lyndhurst
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Exactly, this is the best news since we were kicked out of LW because we can now start to build a true new โBoroโ for the future
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Please show me where i said there were no financial issues
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What is this in reply to?
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How do you know they are chancers, and its a bit rich to claim that some people involved of the failure of the last club are now going to be open and transparent, as i said they will need money from local sponsors just as H&H also said they would
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If I am reading all the statements correctly, the Co-op are supporting to a group of sponsors who are already working to put a package together. H&H claimed they had the finance before the sponsors had actually agreed to put cash in.
I could be wrong, but if I'm correct they are totally different scenarios.
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The way I read it.
The spoke of national sponsors last week, but to really have a chance local people were needed. Thats failed, so they pull out and I dare say they are looking for next club.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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How do you know they are not chances?
They have had two bites and run off both times.
Did the co-op or Stuart Elliot have any more "involvement" in the running of the club than you or I?
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H&H werenโt getting any money from the sponsors. Thatโs why theyโve pulled out! Pretty revealing eh?
And you were the one that kept saying that everybody on here knew nothing and there were no financial issues with Boro Leisure and no danger of a last game!
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1) who set the playing budget โฆ JG
2) who was only director โฆ JG
3) Whoโs responsibility was it to pay bills and run company โฆ JG
4) why did AT buy the club then immediately run away?
5) what did SE say in his unedited statement?
6) what did the sponsors know about finances (see point 5)
50% of the table last Wednesday had association with JG (one very close. Should they be questioned?
Sponsors generally help the club financially in return for advertisements. Why should they have access to unpaid bills (unless toldโฆ. Were they or were they told too late)
Do you remember Kelly/shooter, IN/LT, Smurf, Hawkins, DA Capitol or JGโฆ. What could go wrong.
How I remember on Facebook how Smurf, Hawkins, DA capital being championed and praised. The posts are still there.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Same package, different wrapper.
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Reminds me of DA Capital looking for FL then sell :)
That went well.
I wish I knew how to search Boro chat properly
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Yes.
Youthful ignorance. I can totally understand their views
Fact it, last 3 or 4 years has shown even SLP was not affordable (with model used)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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That was my 2nd guess after thinking H&H got details wrong
How many boro players have actually been โdecoratedโ๐คช
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Is this the club that JG was getting a lifetime honoured president role for if it formed ?
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This is a lovely bit of gossip.
Don't care if it is true or not.
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I'm already a member of the Co-op have been since the supporters club days and before that the trust.
I will happily put some more limited cash in if this turns into a reality.
But I need the know this is nothing to do with that CIC that the Co-op have 10% in, and that clown JG having 55% of shares is in or I'm out for good, no support, no cash.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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That CIC has remained with JG and is entirely separate
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Dan said this.. more than once.
As Iโve informed the coop. The CIC in its full entirety will be signed over the them. Shares, Directorship etc.
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The Supporters Co-operative is supporting a group of sponsors and sporting bodies within the community to build a club and team for the future.
When will these group of sponsors introduce themselves so we know who they are?
The board of the CIC will consist of elected fan representatives, sponsors and other local institutions.
What institutions?
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Just to be clear re: the proposed CIC?
Dan has said that the existing CIC will be handed over to the Supporters Co-op.
This appears to be a Private Limited Company, limited by shares...is that correct?
With this proposal for a (new?) CIC, will that be a Private Limited Company (limited by shares?), or will it be a Private Limited Company (limited by guarantee?)
There is mention of a Board, is this a Board of Directors, which would suggest that the (new?) CIC could be limited by guarantee?
If it is intended to be a new CIC, what will happen to the existing CIC?
Edit:
A CIC is the FA's Option 4 in their guidance on new Club Structure.
Edited by VoR at 13:38:21 on 7th February 2024
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Here's a useful link to read all about what a CiC is for those (like myself) who hadn't a clue!
/www.sumup.com/en-gb/invoices/dictionary/community-interest-company/
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There is a third option available to a CIC, to be formed as a Public Limited Company but this option is not suitable for Grassroots football.
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If only the coop had access and advice on this and explained all options last week.
Itโs a complex thing (to me at least), so I trust the coop and all involved to make informed decisions to what is best.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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whatever is chosen , we have been advised it can be changed at a later date. so its not hard and fast right now
priority three weeks and counting seems registering of a team and football next season
i'm sure that will make some happy i hope...
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Been out the loop last couple of days - been busy have the two people from Birmingham already disappeared ?
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Re: Statement from the Supporters Co-Op Steering Group
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It seems so yes.
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Boro Exile
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Will wait for an official (via nbfc website as that seems only form or information)
Or is it Chinese whispers started by โa mateโ
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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So are the co op starting a club now ;)
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no, i got told off for saying that lol. They are 'backing' the new club via CIC
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So they backing โIan cook and the 10 sponsorsโ then
Sounds like a potential Disney movie
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Edited by Spurs and Verde at 16:08:05 on 7th February 2024
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It's a bit wider than that, as the statement suggests, and involves organisations not previous involved with the Boro.
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Good luck to you mate honestly
But it not for me though unfortunately - Nuneaton boro is gone and a football team pretending to be Nuneaton boro playing outside of Warwickshire at Griffs level is a leap for me to far
Iโll see what happens in a few years if you can get back into Nuneaton
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We will.
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I'm looking forward to seeing who these organisations are.
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Be interesting to see whos involved
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Would say 8 out of the 10 are people involved (sponsored) old club and then maybe he managed to get one or two other people / companies involved
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Yes it will be interesting too put names to whose involved Boro Boy,
Who the group of sponsors are along with the sporting bodies within the community that are be forming a Club.
The local institutions that'll be on the board and who these organisations that have not previously been involved.
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Elliot and cook looks like two of them, following the statement just released
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If the Co-op are averse to shareholders, their only real alternative is to be limited by guarantee, so that will fall upon the Directors.
Edited by VoR at 14:18:08 on 7th February 2024
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The statement from the Co-Op mentions that it won't be used to make a profit so would expect the CIC to be Limited by Guarantee.
Other things to note is the FA do not allow a CIC to play in the Football League.
The assets of a CIC are only allowed to be moved across to another CIC or Charity Organisation.
There's lots of info online about this and it will be interesting to see how the CIC is formed to benefit the supporters community.
Edited by Fromage at 17:49:04 on 7th February 2024
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"Other things to note is the FA do not allow a CIC to play in the Football League."
Damn - one poster will run out of fantasies to post about!!!! ;)
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Yes, now condemned to a footballing eternity in the non-league abyss!
Can't wait!
...& the new club being run by the same group of people who run up massive debts with the old club!
That's all gone quiet hasn't it?
Edited by VoR at 17:56:06 on 7th February 2024
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Which of the former owners are involved in this new venture?
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Questions
Who were the directors of the old club?
How much influence/knowledge did sponsors have. Usually sponsors just get something in return for the money they put in.
Who authorised payments?
Who set the playing budget?
Why did DA Capital come in, then quickly closed the door behind them?
Why did SE stand down and what did he say originally in his statement?
We wont know the answers to most of these, but if we did then an informed decision could be made.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
Edited by VS Boro at 18:05:48 on 7th February 2024
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Wow. You clearly know more than me about who is involved. Were you at the meeting on Monday when this was apparently discussed?
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CIC's are non-profit making limited companies.
They can either be limited by shares, whereby the shareholders are held to account, by the proportion of their shareholding.
...or they can be limited by guarantee, whereby the directors are held to account.
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Directors can be paid regardless if the CIC is Limited by Guarantee or Limited by Shares. Any decision to not pay them needs to be included in writing when forming the CIC.
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For me, it is not about whether the Directors are paid or not, it is the fact that they will take the corporate responsibility for any financial problems incurred if the CIC fails.
If the same people are involved who were responsible for the demise of Boro Leisure, IMO that would be a concern to me, I am not one for finger-pointing at LW, for me what has happened there is a collective responsibility.
I would be far happier if the CIC was limited by shares, because the shareholders would appoint the Directors & would have the power to remove people who were not performing & appoint new Directors.
In that regard, there is already a CIC in place that Dan has said will be handed over to the Co-op in its entirety & more importantly that CIC must have already passed the necessary tests & scrutiny in its formation.
Just my thoughts!
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They can either be limited by shares, whereby the shareholders are held to account, by the proportion of their shareholding.
...or they can be limited by guarantee, whereby the directors are held to account.
For me, it is not about whether the Directors are paid or not, it is the fact that they will take the corporate responsibility for any financial problems incurred if the CIC fails.
I would be far happier if the CIC was limited by shares because the shareholders would appoint the Directors & would have the power to remove people who were not performing & appoint new Directors.
Thanks for explaining the differences again VoR. I agree that supporters or a supporters led group having more control over who runs the club makes more sense. I don't know if supporters would want the financial burden if things don't go as well as they would have expected. Is there a way to get around this?
I would urge anyone to look and speak to Bury AFC before making decisions about forming a new club.
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Registered Societies, regulated by the FCA are very popular & comply with the FA's guidance on new Club Structure.
This is as an alternative to a CIC.
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VoR - you do know that CIC you are talking about has JG involved? And you want that to be involved in the new club? Really?
Also, if the new club starts with one type of CIC it can be changed later if needed.
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There is a CIC Regulator, whose requirements have to be satisfied & who can block applications.
In any event, when talking about Institutions, I would want to see the Bank Manager installed on the new Board from the outset.
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Dan said this of that CIC though Gregg.
That tells me it was completely the Co-op's should they have wanted it... No Dan.. No JG.
It looks (to me) like this group of sponsors are doing their own CIC though and doing away with the one that Dan offered to co-op.
As Iโve informed the coop. The CIC in its full entirety will be signed over the them. Shares, Directorship etc.
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To be fair, Jebbs, I have no knowledge of how the CIC for the proposed club will be set up. I suspect that no-one else on here does either.
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Ginnelly must be completely, utterly and unequivocally finished with any connection with the new club that has to be made clear.
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So thats now 8 times you have posted that.
Well done !
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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"Other things to note is the FA do not allow a CIC to play in the Football League."
WHAT - No FL for Boro...........in which case I am against it :)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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It's something Bury considered which was the reason for setting themselves up the way they did.
I would rather see it was done right and their reasons explained to supporters. I've tried to understand what a CIC does but can't understand all the jargon out there on the internet.
It is not a concern for myself that the CIC wouldn't be able to play in the Football League but perhaps it might be for investors or supporters.
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I am still unsure what the term "investors" mean when spoken about football clubs.
Given where any new club will start then getting back to SL-P this level is going to take time; a lot of time. Nor forgetting the difficulty in finding somewhere in Nuneaton.
NBFC have never been close to getting into the FL.
As for CIC.
In simplist forms it's a organisation run by its members where there are strict rules about profit/loss. In fact profit is referred to as surplus
Thats in its most simplistic form
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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"NBFC have never been close to getting into the FL."
They were invited, and declined, and Mansfield took the place.
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How bright should floodlights be in the Conference?
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I am not convinced thats True
I am not sure what criteria for applying was. Perhaps Boro turned down the chance, but no guarantee they would be elected and below certainly does not speak of Manfield being invited
1931
North
Rochdale FL 40 re-elected to Division Three (North)
Chester CL 27 Second vote 28 elected to D3N
Nelson FL 27 " " 20 not re-elected
Manchester Central LC 4
Merthyr Town SL 0
South
Norwich City FL 38 re-elected to Division Three (South)
Mansfield Town ML 25 elected to Division Three (South)
Newport County FL 19 not-re-elected
Aldershot Town SL 14
Merthyr Town SL 2
Merthyr Town showed their eagerness to return to the Football League by applying to join
both the Northern and the Southern sections of the Third Division!
https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=3506
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
Edited by VS Boro at 22:08:03 on 7th February 2024
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