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Another on the brink

By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)20/2 19:36Tue Feb 20 19:36:59 2024

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Rochdale on the brink apparently….. feel for the fans as usual

I wonder if H&H know

https://fanbanter.co.uk/rochdale-hoping-takeover-happens-before-end-of-march-or-club-faces-liquidation/

Edited by Camp hill reserves at 19:50:52 on 20th February 2024

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Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 14:20Thu Feb 22 14:20:29 2024In response to Another on the brink Top of thread

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https://fanbanter.co.uk/fans-fear-for-future-of-torquay-united-as-chairman-stands-down-and-club-goes-into-administration/

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)23/2 22:26Fri Feb 23 22:26:03 2024In response to Torquay Top of thread

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Dover athletic I’m hearing are next

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Re: Torquay

By almost average 222/2 18:44Thu Feb 22 18:44:44 2024In response to Torquay Top of thread

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Just been reading about the owner . He's the same owner who nearly bankrupted Bristol Rovers . He's also owed and shut down a number of Speedway clubs and greyhound tracks . He's the grim reaper of sports clubs .

Edited by almost average 2 at 18:47:33 on 22nd February 2024

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Re: Torquay

By joetowny (Joe)23/2 15:46Fri Feb 23 15:46:31 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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ref Torquay
fond memories of going there FA cup
remember having a nosh up on the promenade, think we lost 1-0
believe Gerry Baker was our CF.
think David Pleat was manager or player manager
we took 2 trainloads of fans.... 1600 fans comes to mind
seem to remember the long queue outside trent valley station
HAPPY DAYS ;-)

PS hope it works our ok for them

pps again going from memory i think we won at Alfreton Previous round 4-0
G Baker getting all 4 goals

Edited by Joe at 15:56:22 on 23rd February 2024

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)23/2 17:13Fri Feb 23 17:13:07 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Was at that game to Joe went on the train with my Dad, Torquay had a Nuneaton born player in their team, Dave Tomlin think it was

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Re: Torquay

By Wotnostrikers23/2 15:58Fri Feb 23 15:58:19 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Great days Joe, great days

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 18:52Thu Feb 22 18:52:43 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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I see he was born in Poole in 1952
Is he the bloke who shit on Poole Town? (Due to speedway interests)

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

Edited by VS Boro at 18:52:59 on 22nd February 2024

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Re: Torquay

By almost average 222/2 19:11Thu Feb 22 19:11:35 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Think he was involved at Poole Speedway . So possibly .

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 19:16Thu Feb 22 19:16:15 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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He screwed them.

Fair play to the owners - they took the knock and slowly rebuilt

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)22/2 14:36Thu Feb 22 14:36:11 2024In response to Torquay Top of thread

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i note this part of the statement :

The financing of football in this country is precarious and can only thrive in the lower divisions where there is either a close collaborative relationship with the local authority, it is a trophy asset or is backed by substantial local individuals and businesses.

To think some wanted to continue of with a privately owned football club , 3 times in my lifetime we have suffered this

Countless clubs have gone and will continue to go to the wall , time for a real step change my fellow supporters.

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)22/2 17:58Thu Feb 22 17:58:53 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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How many fan owned clubs have been successful in the history of football!!

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Barcelona

By Unnamed Sauce (Bedduth Blue)22/2 21:15Thu Feb 22 21:15:33 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Bayern Munich...

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Re: Torquay

By The_Hullablue22/2 19:14Thu Feb 22 19:14:29 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Barcelona?
Bayern Munich?

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 18:14Thu Feb 22 18:14:38 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Define success?

How many no fan owned clubs have not faced financial ruin?

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)22/2 18:17Thu Feb 22 18:17:34 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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How many Boro fans will be happy with being still at the same level as the new club starts at five years down the track?

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 18:25Thu Feb 22 18:25:43 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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You didn’t answer the questions

Define “success”
And (as counter to your point
“How many no fan owned clubs have not faced financial ruin?”

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)22/2 18:41Thu Feb 22 18:41:14 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Progressing on and off the pitch success

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Re: Torquay

By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)22/2 18:57Thu Feb 22 18:57:14 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Dave
we haven't had any success of note in the last decade , sold the only asset we had , multiple relegations ,lurched crisis to crisis and went out of existence again despite the generosity of fans and sponsors ... not sure how you measure success

now we have no ground in nuneaton , no club to watch this weekend of which i understand how much this means to many
its time the club was run with the fans and towns best interests at its core ......

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)22/2 19:02Thu Feb 22 19:02:00 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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I agree with you believe it or not, im just not sure a supporter/cic run club can deliver it

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Re: Torquay

By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)22/2 20:04Thu Feb 22 20:04:10 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Well that’s a great starting point for you , therefore I ask you give the cic a chance , ask them yourself all these concerns
In time I’m sure it will deliver a sustainable club with ambitions you desire

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 18:49Thu Feb 22 18:49:03 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Let’s assume the new club starts at 1 level below the griff - would promotion to one level above and ground sharing with a club outside Nuneaton be “progrsssion”

And “what non-fan owned clubs have never faced financial disaster”?
A club that a new Boro could aspire to
A club where someone else is paying for supporters happiness?

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 18:24Thu Feb 22 18:24:11 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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So where do you want the club to be?
Where do you think the club should be?

Remember - no ground due to a past owner separating the ground from the club selling it which led to the latest owner not paying the rent.

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)22/2 18:44Thu Feb 22 18:44:43 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Not necessarily about what i want, i was making the point that if club is still at same level after 5 years how many fans will still be happy!! Seeing as you ask i would like any new club to be able to progress on and off the feild and that is my worry with a supporter or CIC run club

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Re: Torquay

By The_Hullablue23/2 07:35Fri Feb 23 07:35:41 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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How long do you want it to progress for, on the field?
Do you want it to reach conf North? Then what, progress more? The football league? The championship? The Premier League?
Is that what you are looking for, a club that will progress to winning the champions league in a 80,000 seater stadium?

I think you need to rethink your ambitions.

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)23/2 08:22Fri Feb 23 08:22:20 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Again thats not what i said

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Re: Torquay

By The_Hullablue23/2 12:48Fri Feb 23 12:48:34 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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You said you would want them to progress on and off the pitch.

I asked what progress would you have in mind as at some point they would stop progressing.

Where would you be happy for that point to be.

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Re: Torquay

By bert's dad23/2 15:17Fri Feb 23 15:17:50 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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I would like to see us return to the National North.

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Re: Torquay

By Wotnostrikers23/2 15:33Fri Feb 23 15:33:28 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Me too and that needs to be a realistic ambition, as for a timescale who knows?

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Re: Torquay

By almost average 223/2 19:06Fri Feb 23 19:06:24 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Twenty years i'd say and that might be being ambitious . The like of Scarborough & Maidstone started again without there own grounds and certainly took them a fair few years to get back to step 2 and I think it only really happened after they got grounds back in there own towns .

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Re: Torquay

By Gustavus23/2 20:18Fri Feb 23 20:18:21 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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If the town rallies it could be quicker.

The most heartening thing of the present nightmare has been the way enthusiastic and intelligent Nuneatonians have come together to present a way forward!

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Re: Torquay

By almost average 224/2 06:32Sat Feb 24 06:32:53 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Doing it more quickly would take a hell of a lot of money . Just building a conference level ground within the town would cost a fortune .
Finding a way to make steady progress ( which fans will expect ) and still living within our means ( which they currently expect ) is going to be challenging for all involved .

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Re: Torquay

By Wotnostrikers23/2 21:00Fri Feb 23 21:00:23 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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And for the right reasons

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)23/2 13:10Fri Feb 23 13:10:04 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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You know exactly what i mean

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Re: Torquay

By The_Hullablue23/2 16:15Fri Feb 23 16:15:27 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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I have no idea what you mean, hence asking what you mean.

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Re: Torquay

By Wotnostrikers22/2 22:25Thu Feb 22 22:25:07 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Why do you think they will still be at the same level 5 years on

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)22/2 22:26Thu Feb 22 22:26:59 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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I said IF

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Re: Torquay

By Wotnostrikers22/2 22:28Thu Feb 22 22:28:31 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Weird post

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 18:50Thu Feb 22 18:50:59 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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And what is the alternative?

Why would an alternative work? Someone else paying for others enjoyments whilst indulging in their own vanity project.

What is needed is a reality check to what can be achieved and how that is paid for.

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)22/2 18:56Thu Feb 22 18:56:27 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Can a supporter/cic run club pay for it?

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Re: Torquay

By The_Hullablue22/2 19:16Thu Feb 22 19:16:03 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Yes.

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 19:15Thu Feb 22 19:15:04 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Pay for what?

What’s wrong with living within means and paying bills on time?

Seems you want someone else to fund your hobby.
Someone (as history of football shows) will either get bored or run out of money.

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)22/2 19:19Thu Feb 22 19:19:47 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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" Seems you want someone else to fund your hobby"
Who will be funding supporter/cic club? You alone? If not someone else is also funding your club

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 19:46Thu Feb 22 19:46:34 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Difference being “living within means”.
Constitution and articles (should) mean profit/loss will be defined as surplus/deficit with rules and regulations on how that has to be addressed.

How has it worked with Ian Neale/lee thorn/nick Hawkins/Jimmy ginnelly “funding” their vanity project whilst ignoring and treating the biggest financial backers (the supporters) with contempt?

With what looks like the only option those who pay to watch have the opportunity to have influence and a voice

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

Edited by VS Boro at 19:49:06 on 22nd February 2024

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Re: Torquay

By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)22/2 19:01Thu Feb 22 19:01:50 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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i think we have proven a private owner can't ad nauseum

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Re: Torquay

By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)22/2 18:04Thu Feb 22 18:04:56 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Define success?
Having a club to support every Saturday and a home ground, that’s what I call success right now ?

The model you prefer Has been proven to fail by multiple saviour businessmen… it’s great until that investment disappears

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Re: Torquay

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)22/2 18:22Thu Feb 22 18:22:31 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Snap “define success”. 🤪🤪

Having a few seasons winning and playing above level followed by many seasons battling to return to “level” with eventual financial crisis then new owners who will promise (but unlikely to deliver) even bigger success.

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Torquay

By Spurs and Verde (Spurs and Verde)22/2 15:43Thu Feb 22 15:43:23 2024In response to Re: Torquay Top of thread

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Accrington Stanley seem to be in trouble aswell but how they survive where they do with their crowds needs to be researched

Maybe if loads of teams go bust boro can re enter at conference north

Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer

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Re: Another on the brink

By s. tone ragma7 (stone ragma)21/2 17:54Wed Feb 21 17:54:56 2024In response to Another on the brink Top of thread

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Note that Rochdale is a fan owned club !!

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Re: Another on the brink

By Camp hill reserves (Camp hill reserves)21/2 18:21Wed Feb 21 18:21:49 2024In response to Re: Another on the brink Top of thread

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sadly in your haste to poo poo a fan owned entity, the Dale Trust which currently has over 1,000 members who collectively control 13% of the Club

Rochdale ONLY became a fan-owned club in August 2022, but have had to undertake serious cost-cutting measures ever since just to keep the lights on. ultimately their plight isn't down to fan ownership , their continued running since august 22 is down to fan ownership!

however weighed down by past incumbents debts , player contracts and loss of EFL status in a desperate bid to retain a football club in the town

https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2023/april/notification-of-available-shares--major-shareholdings-at-rochdale-afc/

Edited by Camp hill reserves at 18:22:26 on 21st February 2024

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Re: Another on the brink

By The_Hullablue21/2 18:15Wed Feb 21 18:15:18 2024In response to Re: Another on the brink Top of thread

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Note, you are wrong.


43.3% of shares are owned by the current serving Board of Directors which comprises eight statutory Directors and three Non-Executive directors;
The Dale Supporters Trust, continues to own 13.9% and is the largest individual shareholder of the club;
The remaining 42.8% of shares are owned by over 500 different individual shareholding supporters of the club.


Edit: I do not think this makes it fan owned. Others seem to. The fact the chairman is putting lots of his own mo ey in as loans makes me say it doesn't fit any model I would recommend for Boro, ditto the aggressive takeover wouldn't be possible the way it is proposed a new fan backed Clun would run.

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Re: Another on the brink

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)21/2 18:10Wed Feb 21 18:10:23 2024In response to Re: Another on the brink Top of thread

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Yes - since (I believe) August 2022 when they saved the club from going under; hence they were not liquidated (or demoted 'x' leagues).
In retrospect that might look like a bad decision.


The supporters (collectively) are the biggest shareholders, with 13% of the shares.
The company they have shares in is the same company that was incorporated in 1910.

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Should Blyth fans be concerned ?

By almost average 221/2 17:40Wed Feb 21 17:40:12 2024In response to Another on the brink Top of thread

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An announcement has been made that Blyth have been bought by a "property investor and developer" and "serial entrepreneur" by the name of Irfan Liaquat, who has appointed former Luton & Leicester striker Steve Howard as a sporting director. Mr Liaquat is touting Winners Worldwide Ltd as his business platform, a company registered as recently as March 2023 with a current recommended credit limit of £500. He also has some previous directorships of now dissolved companies. He has a very impressive-looking website which claims links with Invest Qatar, Qatar Vision 2030 (whatever that is) and OYO Hotels.

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Should Blyth fans be concerned? = YES

By VS Dysfunctional (VS Boro)21/2 17:50Wed Feb 21 17:50:51 2024In response to Should Blyth fans be concerned ? Top of thread

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as should every club when someone from nowhere appears promising the world.

https://www.blythspartans.com/a-new-era-at-blyth-spartans-irfan-liaquat-announces-takeover-of-the-club/

>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<

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Re: Should Blyth fans be concerned? = YES

By Wotnostrikers21/2 19:18Wed Feb 21 19:18:13 2024In response to Should Blyth fans be concerned? = YES Top of thread

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The famous 5 year plan

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