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Another on the brink
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Rochdale on the brink apparently….. feel for the fans as usual
I wonder if H&H know
https://fanbanter.co.uk/rochdale-hoping-takeover-happens-before-end-of-march-or-club-faces-liquidation/
Edited by Camp hill reserves at 19:50:52 on 20th February 2024
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Torquay
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https://fanbanter.co.uk/fans-fear-for-future-of-torquay-united-as-chairman-stands-down-and-club-goes-into-administration/
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Torquay
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Dover athletic I’m hearing are next
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Just been reading about the owner . He's the same owner who nearly bankrupted Bristol Rovers . He's also owed and shut down a number of Speedway clubs and greyhound tracks . He's the grim reaper of sports clubs .
Edited by almost average 2 at 18:47:33 on 22nd February 2024
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Re: Torquay
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ref Torquay
fond memories of going there FA cup
remember having a nosh up on the promenade, think we lost 1-0
believe Gerry Baker was our CF.
think David Pleat was manager or player manager
we took 2 trainloads of fans.... 1600 fans comes to mind
seem to remember the long queue outside trent valley station
HAPPY DAYS ;-)
PS hope it works our ok for them
pps again going from memory i think we won at Alfreton Previous round 4-0
G Baker getting all 4 goals
Edited by Joe at 15:56:22 on 23rd February 2024
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Was at that game to Joe went on the train with my Dad, Torquay had a Nuneaton born player in their team, Dave Tomlin think it was
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I see he was born in Poole in 1952
Is he the bloke who shit on Poole Town? (Due to speedway interests)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
Edited by VS Boro at 18:52:59 on 22nd February 2024
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Think he was involved at Poole Speedway . So possibly .
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He screwed them.
Fair play to the owners - they took the knock and slowly rebuilt
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Torquay
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i note this part of the statement :
The financing of football in this country is precarious and can only thrive in the lower divisions where there is either a close collaborative relationship with the local authority, it is a trophy asset or is backed by substantial local individuals and businesses.
To think some wanted to continue of with a privately owned football club , 3 times in my lifetime we have suffered this
Countless clubs have gone and will continue to go to the wall , time for a real step change my fellow supporters.
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Re: Torquay
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How many fan owned clubs have been successful in the history of football!!
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Barcelona?
Bayern Munich?
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How bright should floodlights be in the Conference?
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Define success?
How many no fan owned clubs have not faced financial ruin?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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How many Boro fans will be happy with being still at the same level as the new club starts at five years down the track?
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You didn’t answer the questions
Define “success”
And (as counter to your point
“How many no fan owned clubs have not faced financial ruin?”
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Progressing on and off the pitch success
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Dave
we haven't had any success of note in the last decade , sold the only asset we had , multiple relegations ,lurched crisis to crisis and went out of existence again despite the generosity of fans and sponsors ... not sure how you measure success
now we have no ground in nuneaton , no club to watch this weekend of which i understand how much this means to many
its time the club was run with the fans and towns best interests at its core ......
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Re: Torquay
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I agree with you believe it or not, im just not sure a supporter/cic run club can deliver it
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Re: Torquay
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Well that’s a great starting point for you , therefore I ask you give the cic a chance , ask them yourself all these concerns
In time I’m sure it will deliver a sustainable club with ambitions you desire
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Let’s assume the new club starts at 1 level below the griff - would promotion to one level above and ground sharing with a club outside Nuneaton be “progrsssion”
And “what non-fan owned clubs have never faced financial disaster”?
A club that a new Boro could aspire to
A club where someone else is paying for supporters happiness?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Torquay
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So where do you want the club to be?
Where do you think the club should be?
Remember - no ground due to a past owner separating the ground from the club selling it which led to the latest owner not paying the rent.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Torquay
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Not necessarily about what i want, i was making the point that if club is still at same level after 5 years how many fans will still be happy!! Seeing as you ask i would like any new club to be able to progress on and off the feild and that is my worry with a supporter or CIC run club
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Re: Torquay
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How long do you want it to progress for, on the field?
Do you want it to reach conf North? Then what, progress more? The football league? The championship? The Premier League?
Is that what you are looking for, a club that will progress to winning the champions league in a 80,000 seater stadium?
I think you need to rethink your ambitions.
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Edited by The_Hullablue at 07:40:47 on 23rd February 2024
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Again thats not what i said
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Re: Torquay
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You said you would want them to progress on and off the pitch.
I asked what progress would you have in mind as at some point they would stop progressing.
Where would you be happy for that point to be.
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How bright should floodlights be in the Conference?
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Re: Torquay
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I would like to see us return to the National North.
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Re: Torquay
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Me too and that needs to be a realistic ambition, as for a timescale who knows?
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Twenty years i'd say and that might be being ambitious . The like of Scarborough & Maidstone started again without there own grounds and certainly took them a fair few years to get back to step 2 and I think it only really happened after they got grounds back in there own towns .
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If the town rallies it could be quicker.
The most heartening thing of the present nightmare has been the way enthusiastic and intelligent Nuneatonians have come together to present a way forward!
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Doing it more quickly would take a hell of a lot of money . Just building a conference level ground within the town would cost a fortune .
Finding a way to make steady progress ( which fans will expect ) and still living within our means ( which they currently expect ) is going to be challenging for all involved .
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You know exactly what i mean
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I have no idea what you mean, hence asking what you mean.
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How bright should floodlights be in the Conference?
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Why do you think they will still be at the same level 5 years on
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And what is the alternative?
Why would an alternative work? Someone else paying for others enjoyments whilst indulging in their own vanity project.
What is needed is a reality check to what can be achieved and how that is paid for.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Can a supporter/cic run club pay for it?
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Yes.
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Pay for what?
What’s wrong with living within means and paying bills on time?
Seems you want someone else to fund your hobby.
Someone (as history of football shows) will either get bored or run out of money.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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" Seems you want someone else to fund your hobby"
Who will be funding supporter/cic club? You alone? If not someone else is also funding your club
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Difference being “living within means”.
Constitution and articles (should) mean profit/loss will be defined as surplus/deficit with rules and regulations on how that has to be addressed.
How has it worked with Ian Neale/lee thorn/nick Hawkins/Jimmy ginnelly “funding” their vanity project whilst ignoring and treating the biggest financial backers (the supporters) with contempt?
With what looks like the only option those who pay to watch have the opportunity to have influence and a voice
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
Edited by VS Boro at 19:49:06 on 22nd February 2024
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i think we have proven a private owner can't ad nauseum
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Define success?
Having a club to support every Saturday and a home ground, that’s what I call success right now ?
The model you prefer Has been proven to fail by multiple saviour businessmen… it’s great until that investment disappears
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Snap “define success”. 🤪🤪
Having a few seasons winning and playing above level followed by many seasons battling to return to “level” with eventual financial crisis then new owners who will promise (but unlikely to deliver) even bigger success.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Torquay
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Accrington Stanley seem to be in trouble aswell but how they survive where they do with their crowds needs to be researched
Maybe if loads of teams go bust boro can re enter at conference north
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
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Re: Another on the brink
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Note that Rochdale is a fan owned club !!
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sadly in your haste to poo poo a fan owned entity, the Dale Trust which currently has over 1,000 members who collectively control 13% of the Club
Rochdale ONLY became a fan-owned club in August 2022, but have had to undertake serious cost-cutting measures ever since just to keep the lights on. ultimately their plight isn't down to fan ownership , their continued running since august 22 is down to fan ownership!
however weighed down by past incumbents debts , player contracts and loss of EFL status in a desperate bid to retain a football club in the town
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2023/april/notification-of-available-shares--major-shareholdings-at-rochdale-afc/
Edited by Camp hill reserves at 18:22:26 on 21st February 2024
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Re: Another on the brink
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Note, you are wrong.
43.3% of shares are owned by the current serving Board of Directors which comprises eight statutory Directors and three Non-Executive directors;
The Dale Supporters Trust, continues to own 13.9% and is the largest individual shareholder of the club;
The remaining 42.8% of shares are owned by over 500 different individual shareholding supporters of the club.
Edit: I do not think this makes it fan owned. Others seem to. The fact the chairman is putting lots of his own mo ey in as loans makes me say it doesn't fit any model I would recommend for Boro, ditto the aggressive takeover wouldn't be possible the way it is proposed a new fan backed Clun would run.
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Edited by The_Hullablue at 18:25:50 on 21st February 2024
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Re: Another on the brink
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Yes - since (I believe) August 2022 when they saved the club from going under; hence they were not liquidated (or demoted 'x' leagues).
In retrospect that might look like a bad decision.
The supporters (collectively) are the biggest shareholders, with 13% of the shares.
The company they have shares in is the same company that was incorporated in 1910.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Should Blyth fans be concerned ?
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An announcement has been made that Blyth have been bought by a "property investor and developer" and "serial entrepreneur" by the name of Irfan Liaquat, who has appointed former Luton & Leicester striker Steve Howard as a sporting director. Mr Liaquat is touting Winners Worldwide Ltd as his business platform, a company registered as recently as March 2023 with a current recommended credit limit of £500. He also has some previous directorships of now dissolved companies. He has a very impressive-looking website which claims links with Invest Qatar, Qatar Vision 2030 (whatever that is) and OYO Hotels.
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Should Blyth fans be concerned? = YES
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as should every club when someone from nowhere appears promising the world.
https://www.blythspartans.com/a-new-era-at-blyth-spartans-irfan-liaquat-announces-takeover-of-the-club/
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Should Blyth fans be concerned? = YES
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The famous 5 year plan
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