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https://www.nuneatontownfc.co.uk/news/fans-forum-update
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Doing it the right way round by building a seated stand and proper facilities first rather than in 2008 when we built everything but that first.
Think 3g is essential as NBBC is short of 3g footie pitches so hopefully get that paid for. It will be a vital source of none matchday income too.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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At the time LW was developed there was a lot of discussion maybe even from memory a poll and the fans were very much in favour of big terraces behind the goals as per MP . This was clearly an error in the long run as a main stand and infrastructure should always be the first thing developed after the pitch .
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Griff
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What's peoples thoughts on this ?
There's been alot of talk on this ground share ......
Is it a good thing....
Is it a 50/50 split....
Will the council have a say....
Will we see a combined club eventually....
Just a few questions
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Is it a good thing.... Dont want to play at the pingles track no thanks, don't even think we are considering it, even if it was possible which it is not.
Is it a 50/50 split.... ??
Will the council have a say.... think they will provide a site for us to rent off them and develop, if not we will be out of town on farmland.
Will we see a combined club eventually......no
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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I know your not (pod ) but fans need to forget about the Pingles . The Harriers are the main tenants at the main stadium with the Griff having a long term tenancy . Griff may also have the lease on Gala Fields which they use for their junior set up . Neither the Harriers or the Griff want us groundsharing .
Think your spot on Pod it's either a council site if there is one available , or do a Leamington .
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Forget all about the Pingles Stadium.
It is only suitable for use as a football stadium up to Level 9/Step 5.
To be suitable for a higher grade of football would require the stadium to be fully enclosed by a solid perimeter fence that could not be seen through from the outside.
Gala Field is the obvious solution.
Edit:
In my opinion, Town will be playing at the Oval for at least another 5 years, so the fans need to get used to that idea.
...& yes, constructing the Main Stand is the correct place to start with a new stadium design...it needs to be a PHASED 2000-seater structure, designed to EFL requirements, housing the majority of the football club's infrastructure.
Second edit:
The seating deck needs to have at least 14 rows of seats.
That will give the Main Stand sufficient height to best use the space underneath & behind (in Section) & prove to be economical in its construction.
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I know that listening to other people is not your strong suit, VoR, but at least two people have told you that Gala Fields is a non starter. It is already allocated to someone else, who is in the middle of the planning permission process. Please engage brain before activating fingers for typing.
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What quality floodlights
We need to know.
Who cares about stands, seats, capacity, location if the floodlights are not ready for the FL?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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You had to ask!
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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The minimum requirement for the new Stadium is 180 lux.
They will have to be upgraded to 250 lux in the National.
I would suggest 500 lux potentially in the EFL.
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More copy and paste from vor
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I really think that there is a lot of logic in the future-proofing of any new stadium to be built…anywhere. A lot of us have had dreams evaporated in the past regarding the Borough but do you know what ? Not one of us knows what lies ahead in the future,not one of us. The future destiny of this embryonic club is not ours to determine now,but by the efforts of those in the future and I feel that every consideration should be given now as to this aim. A lot of us will not perhaps be around to see it but let us get it right at this start.
As one door closes,another one opens.
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Thankyou.
At last someone has acknowledged the merit of what I have been repeating on here for some time now!
Let us play out a scenario where we progress through the leagues in a properly thought out & structured way, at each step of that progression, the Stadium will need to be upgraded to meet the increased Ground Grading requirements.
You can only do that effectively & cost efficiently by establishing the end goal in the Stadium design now & then work from the bottom upwards.
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There are a lot of comments about what should be built, where it might be built, it will ultimately come down to one thing, what money is available
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That is why you need to produce an 'S' Curve.
This is your control document & plots cost against time.
It enables you to include a design & construction programme for all of the new Stadium build requirements & cost those requirements over a period of time.
You price the programme, which gives you your 'S' Curve.
Edited by VoR at 09:44:49 on 16th March 2025
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To generate an s-curve the jerk needs to be defined :)
Just saying / being "boffin"
* Jerk being the change of rate of acceleration.
No development is a pure trapezoidal. S-Curve are needed to prevent a shock at the start and to prevent overshoot at the end.
Also, using an s-curve model the final target requires input to maintain that level.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Yes,
The design & construction programme needs to be monitored & amended on a regular basis.
As the project develops & becomes more intensified, the number of activities on the programme increase, as more detail is added.
These activities are all priced out & the 'S' curve adjusts itself automatically.
You need to start off with an overall Masterplan...start to finish...Level 6/Step 10 to Level 4 (EFL League Two).
Edit:
You will end with hundreds of activities on the programme, which can then be broken down into sub-programmes, as required.
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League 2 ?????
This is why I refuse to watch this new club
Why aren’t they planning for a 100,000 all seater stadium with views of hill top / camp hill and Edward street from the top for when we play Tottenham in the prem in 10 years
Absolutely zero ambition still count me out, no ambition at all just fold this new club already
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
Edited by Spurs and Verde at 14:53:58 on 16th March 2025
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Sadly when it comes to Boro/Town there are realities.
1. Massively well supported in the late 60's - then a decline in crowds.
2. Big crowds for big games.
3. Manor Park- huge but a 1920s ground which near the end was a rusting, decaying dump which required big money the club never had.
3. Manor Park not able to generate money all year round.
4. Boro historically always crying for money and close to the edge.
5. Kelly tried to make money with totes and bringing in Best and Ali to make money- many lambast him but he did try.
6. Kelly brought in Carr and produced one of the best sides in Boro history- the crowds however were generally poor and around the 800- 1000 mark bar some big games. Economic situation and lack of promotion carrot at the time was a factor and crowds across football were down in this era massively.
7. Boro thrown out of conference as Taylor report closed many designated ground stands post Bradford- Boro didn't have the money to improve the ground.
8. Kerry et al took over and rebuilt the main stand - created more debt with the club going under in the early 90s.
9. Consortium saves club and slowly try to improve the team and ground.
10. Brenden Phillips creates one of the most entertaining sides in the clubs history watched by 1200-1500 ish crowds.
11. Boro back in conference with average crowds around 2000 then Farnborough and decline yet again- crowds dived in Conf north to around 800 - 1000.
12. CLayton et al say Manor Park not viable to make money to fund Boro and look for new ground.
13 . Council offer sites- all options fail prior to and at planning stage.
14. Boro shunted to liberty way in a new ground many didn't like- some end their support due to location and other reasons.
15. Neale takes over and liquidates the club starting again at low level but under Wilkin slowly climbs back to conference.
16. Conference crowds never match Manor park conference crowds ( Boro fans not including away supporters).
The fundamental point I am making is that Nuneaton people don't seem to bothered about watching run of the mill games, even at the top level of non league- the town has changed. Nuneaton folk that like football can be at CCFC in 10 minutes or Villa in half and hour- why would they give this up to watch Boro especially at step 2 or 3 of non league?
Its often been said that Nuneaton is a football town - may be so but in the 21st century its not a non- league town.
So many similar and smaller towns than Nuneaton get much better crowds than Boro and to me all the years of failure, economic problems and club collapses has done so much damage.
When I look at images of Town games now I see youngsters but it still seems and looks like the vast majority of supporters are 55 plus - it looked the same at the fans forum looking at the pictures.
So the way forward? Carry on with the fan owned setup and all the good it is doing.
Try and understand what level the club could be viable at and don't throw money at something that can never be achieved.
Vor is a tad right when it comes to future proofing but grandiose plans for 2000 seater stands is not realistic- incremental development when needed and finances are right is what is needed.
HOWEVER- the elephant in the room - you can have all the funds you want but gaining planning permission for a new ground will be very difficult in a town which is today very much just a residential area.
Vale view has been touted- surrounded on three sides by housing with one major entrance. No resident will want a new Boro ground near their home to potentially hold 5000 fans what with the prospect of noise, floodlight nuisance, anti social behaviour and traffic congestion. Residents near the proposed Jubilee Centre and Elliot park fought against those sites.
All this said Nuneaton does have the population to support a top non league side but it needs a ground in the right place which can turn money when the team aren't playing - 3d pitches, corporate facilities and function rooms.
There also has to be responsible ambition which includes the sort of governance the club now has but lack of funds may hamper this and the spectre of so called successful businessmen getting involved again is a tad concerning.
Gaining the trust of Nuneaton people after years of failure and broken promises is perhaps the hardest part but it may perhaps be true that the big non league club in Nuneaton is a ship long since sailed.
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''15. Neale takes over and liquidates the club starting again at low level but under Wilkin slowly climbs back to conference.''
I'd hardly call 3 promotions in 4 years 'slowly'
but great post otherwise :)
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An excellent summary of events AV & very helpful.
I just want to clear up one point now...I am not advocating that the Club harbours 'grandiose' plans for a 2000-seater Stadium, I am just trying to explain the process & yes, you are correct in referring to a 5000 capacity stadium.
For clarity:
FUTURE PROOFING
The FA's football pyramid requirements dictate the process.
Ultimately, the limit of Nuneaton Town FC CIC's ambitions could be membership of the EFL Championship, which requires a 5000 capacity Stadium, including 2000 seats & an increased floodlighting requirement of potentially 500 lux.
This will need a suitable site which could gain a satisfactory Planning Permission.
Anything less than this will leave the future-proofing of the new Club hamstrung for future generations/custodians.
The wrong decisions made now could impact adversely in the future.
That is my point.
Realism is needed I agree but a greater understanding of the essential requirements for progression upwards through the pyramid are vital at this early stage.
I give you Burton Albion & Yeovil Town as examples of what could ultimately be achieved, both Clubs have played in the Championship.
...& yes AV, Nuneaton is a big town, a footballing town with a population of circa 90000
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Its not impossible that Boro/town could get to league 2- just very unlikely. Somehow the club has to get a VS feel good factor going again at a higher level.
Personally I believe Boro never chased any dream- they merely tried to get back to the top level of non league where they had been for many years. The search for a new ground was also not a dream chase- Manor Park was outdated and not suitable to bring in funds which a club needs , and any development would have cost a fortune with planning permission unlikely.
For me the biggest factor in Boro's decline in the last 50 years has been the ground issue and it was never satisfactorily resolved.
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The FA's Ground-Grading requirements will create the dilemma.
To enter EFL League Two requires a 1000-seat capacity, within 12 months of entering the League.
After 3 years of continuous membership of the EFL, the seating capacity requirement increases to 2000 seats.
In both cases the Stadium capacity requirement remains at 5000.
So, what do the present custodians of Nuneaton Town FC CIC do, how do they approach future aspirations, because those decisions made now will influence the new Stadium design.
A major factor which could be easily overlooked is gaining a satisfactory Planning Permission for the increased floodlighting requirement for membership of the EFL.
Edited by VoR at 10:24:41 on 17th March 2025
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That all correct- no point in getting planning permission for a 2000 capacity ground and crap floodlights and not being able to get planning passed to expand and improve . Or 20 years down the line locals launching stat or public nuisance litigation due to bright flood lights and noise. Get permission for biggest needed scenario and build incrementally when funds allow.
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Exactly.
You gain a satisfactory Planning Permission now to comply with the EFL's Ground-Grading requirements...5000 capacity Stadium including 2000 seats & a 500 lux floodlighting level ...JOB DONE FROM THE OUTSET!
Then you start your long journey at the bottom & work your way up progressively to the top, over as many years as it takes & your new Club is FUTURE PROOFED.
Edited by VoR at 11:07:34 on 17th March 2025
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VOR you are filling up this forum with nonsense again,
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I think there's a lot of logic in what he says.
I'd not be looking at having plans for EFL standard ground, but I'd certainly be making sure we had a ground that had planning permission for, and could be expanded to, National North Level.
It needs to be where we remain for 100+ years, not something we need to move from again if we progress a couple of levels.
FWIW, I agree fully with LOTM that Southern Premier (step 3) is our highest likely level.
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Thing is we have no money.
Boro Leisure still hasn’t been liquidated because creditors are demanding proper investigation and probably had 1 million debt.
So we are absolutely reliant on being given a site which we can lease.
Sure grant no funding and donations can be used but the starting point is where is the best and most viable site we can be given.
It’s not helpful to discuss specific sites but I would say beware of people knocking sites they don’t really know and posing problems which aren’t there. There are examples in this thread.
We are starting from scratch not a position of strength so the only equivalence is with the original move to Manor Park not with Liberty Way.
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Never going be able to afford a ground in Nuneaton
Especially with prices continuing to rise each year
Only way I think the club would do it is with a money man which would mean scrapping everything this new club has been set up to do
People talking about this new ground like it will absolutely be built, this club after one year currently can’t even afford an architect to draw up plans let alone build it.
You will be at Bedworth for a while if not forever it looks like to me currently
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Nothing wrong with sharing with Bedworth and developing their ground
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Wouldn’t really recommend renting a house and knocking up an extension on the back with your own money to be honest
Didn’t say anything wrong with it just think that where they will be for a while
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
Edited by Spurs and Verde at 11:10:11 on 20th March 2025
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With respect to your post Bert’s dad,didn’t being a tenant and improving someone else’s property ( landlord’s ) work out badly for our football club the last time ? I truly hope that as we move stealthily forward that past lessons are remembered. And if we have to move to our own purchased field from a farmer up the road,then so be it.
As one door closes,another one opens.
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I think we will be a tenant for many years to come. Better to be a Council tenant than one of a private landlord. It would be nice to be the main tenant but we have to accept what we can afford - working with Bedworth seems to be working really well for both parties.
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A word of caution here Vernon2.
To purchase a farmers field on the outskirts of town could prove very beneficial in further developing the new Stadium progressively.
It would also have great potential to future-proof the Club as far as Planning is concerned.
However, I would suggest that a minimum of 5 acres is needed & that land would need to have a Planning 'hope value' to make the proposition attractive to both the farmer & the new Club...that would not come cheap!
I would also suggest that the new Club contact either Savills (Birmingham) or Howkins & Harrison (Rugby) or both, as these companies are specialist rural land agents.
Edit:
Savills have a specialist development team headed up by Andrew Galloway.
Howkins & Harrison have a good knowledge of potentially available rural land in Warwickshire.
Edited by VoR at 15:40:34 on 19th March 2025
Edited by VoR at 15:46:52 on 19th March 2025
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That's ok if you have about 2 million in your back pocket...
The farmer would want the going price with conditions added on .... you're never going to be able to afford an allotment never mind 5 acres
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The problem with developing out of town farmland is the amount of car parking that would be required.
Typically starting off with 300 parking spaces & increasing the parking provision as the Stadium develops.
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It's never gonna happen on farm land ....
Any farm land sold is destined for housing ..... housing land goes for millions .....
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Very much depends on
1 - the agreement.
2 - paying the rent.
Lots of clubs don’t own their ground - Bedworth for one. West Ham and Man City being two others.
Even if a club owns a ground it can be locked out if it does not pay the bills and liquidation applied for. A big benefit of owning is security for loans (which are more often than not a bad thing)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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It’s in Bedworth
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Full of lots of optimism and positivity from your armchair as usual I see. Wondered when you would put your head above the parapet again with the new Club doing so well. Personally I wish you stay away.
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I messaged from the gym not my armchair - don’t have a armchair actually I’m in my 30s 👍🏼
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
Edited by Spurs and Verde at 14:12:04 on 18th March 2025
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"this club after one year currently can’t even afford an architect to draw up plans let alone build it"
Are you sure about this?
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Hope is not a plan.
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That was my initial thoughts.... never in a month of Sundays
Now....
I'm thinking ...
It can happen but it's gonna need the councils help, grants, sponsorship, etc etc .... it's not gonna be big, it's not gonna be MP or LW, but with help, it can happen.
What it must must must have is a plastic 3G/4G pitch
Edited by Lord of the Manor at 11:40:43 on 18th March 2025
Edited by Lord of the Manor at 11:42:25 on 18th March 2025
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The idea of playing at League 2 does not come from the club. For too long the Boro have chased the fantasy of football league status. This current setup is much more realistic.
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Your edit.
Like any project. From going to the shops to building a plane.
Bottom like is ££££s available mixed with what is needed and what is feasible.
As for the the Boro.
Even the most optimistic would say anything better than level 5 will never be needed. Even to get that high will require a hell of a lot of money and a different setup than the club currently have.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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To expand the discussion.
The Club's new Stadium project will be a long-term multi-phased development.
The costs involved will be inflationary.
On the football side, the National League are already lobbying for 3 promotion places to League Two & it is only a matter of time before the National becomes League Three.
Once a Club enters the National then the FA's expectation is for them to gain promotion to the EFL League Two & plans need to be in place to demonstate to the FA how the promoted Club intends to meet the requirements/ongoing requirements for memership of the EFL.
If/when the National becomes EFL League Three that will further change the dynamic.
In future-proofing the new Town Club, IMO this also needs to be considered.
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You need to consider why we are in the current position we are in. Town have the potential to get back to the National League North and that is it. We are similar to Leamington .
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I don't think we do ..... the set up we've got now as a fans owned club won't see us with the finance's to do it. For us to get conf north again it would take investment.... investment that we won't risk again ....
Edited by Lord of the Manor at 19:00:06 on 16th March 2025
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You are probably right but crowds of 500 and a realistic playing budget could take us that far looking at some of the teams in that League.
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I think one needs to look at FCUM for a reality check.
Fan owned - Different model to NTFC.
Built a stadium good enough for level 6 (and probably not far from level 5)
average crown this season is 1,500, with probably massive potential to increase.
Mid table at level 7, and thats been typical since relegation.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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And haven't they had financial problems from virtually day one ?
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Its complex ;)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Another example
I believe Dulwich Hamlet is fan owned.
This season they are averaging 2500.
Currently sit 16th at level 7 (Isthmian Premier)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Don’t Wealdstone play there?
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Wealdstone have their own ground which makes a fortune out of parking for fans going to Wembley for big matches!
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People if they wish to can donate money to a CIC Football Club. Whilst not financially attractive as donating to a Charity
for tax purposes , it is an option.
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Didn't we do this under JG ? ....
wasn't it 10k donation or something ?.....
how many would do that again ?
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I am only guessing C&B but it looks to me that the current CIC is a limited company, limited by directorship, where the Directors are acting as Agents & have no financial responsibility?
In these circumstances, the new Club could ask the supporters to pay a joining fee & an annual membership fee thereafter.
If the CIC was limited by shares, then there could be a share issue & in return for the shareholding a shareholder would receive an annual dividend, say 7.5% but I think that dividend would have to be paid, irrespective of the CIC's financial position at the year end?
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Who knows what the future will bring?
For the moment let’s just remember this time last year we were grateful to have a team to support at all. Since then those running the Club have been exemplary and it’s been a very enjoyable season. The loyalty of supporters has been a joy too.
In hindsight virtually every decision ever taken off the field at Liberty Way was wrong and damaging. A nightmare period with questionable morals.
Let’s take each season as it comes and demonstrate integrity and ethics. Given the size of Nuneaton now who knows what might be possible in the future?
Edited by Gustavus at 19:10:40 on 16th March 2025
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Have you actually bothered to look at the plan.
It clearly shows a ground suitable for step 4, with 250 seats so two levels above where we are now and then an area for extea seating to take if up to 500 seats and propsed cover on all 4 sides, so National League standard.
Stop bragging and talking your patronising bollocks and perhaps offer your expertise for free to the club
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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I have posted my suggestion on the website & offered to help the Club 'for free'.
It's up to them if they want to take up my offer, they have my email address.
Thankyou for your kind words!
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One of my personal issues with Gala Fields is the size of the land. I do get that we are in a position where we can't be picky due to the lack of options available, but, using Liberty Way as the size of ground we would need in the future for step 1/2, a quick comparison shows that you couldn't fit Liberty Way (inc all Buildings) on the space that Gala Fields has to offer.
Obviously in the short term this isn't an issue, but if we are looking at building for the future, then Gala Fields isn't big enough for our potential needs.
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It is my understanding that Gala Field was considered by Stadiasafe.
The difficulty at that time was that NBBC wanted a running track to be included in the new Stadium plan & that made the site unviable, in terms of plan area.
I am sure someone posted on here (?) in the fairly recent past that they had overlaid the site plan for LW on Gala Field & it worked out (LH?).
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Re: Griff
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Gala Fields was never an option because if the requirement by Sport England to retain two pitches.
As I’ve mentioned numerous times it is now on a long term lease to Harriers/Griff.
The site that will be proposed is in a different location.
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Re: Griff
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I had whispers its looking like the bit of ground opposite the old Cherry Tree pub .... on the old tip site from many years ago
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Re: Griff
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Looking at the plans, we're going for a phased 500 seat stand 250 to start and 250 later, if needed.
That'll will do us, we've never needed 2000 seats. Happy to stay at Bedworth for the time being.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Re: Griff
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The Main Stand design needs to be able to accommodate 2000 seats at some point, in order to future-proof the Club.
It also needs to be designed to EFL requirements.
It's not only what is needed now that matters but what could be needed in maybe 30 years time that counts.
The size & positioning of the Main Stand (ideally in the West) will dictate the setting out of the Stadium, so it is important that this is addressed properly NOW & not at a later date WHEN IT IS TOO LATE!
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EFL membership will require a 5000 capacity ground including 2000 seats, at some point, if in the future Town aspire to be an EFL club?
This possible aspiration needs to be discussed & addressed in the current discussions about a new Stadium for Town.
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If the current Town Board view possible EFL membership as not being a consideration, then that will leave future custodians of the new Club hamstrung in their aspirations.
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AFC Telford United's Main Stand is a good example of what could eventually be required.
The development of Town's new Main Stand could be in 4 phases:-
250 seats
500 seats
1000 seats
2000 seats
This will require an agreed cross-section through the Main Stand from the outset with a seating deck accommodating at least 14 rows of seats.
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Re: Griff
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We will never be in the Football League. It will be great to see them back in our he National North which I see as our natural position.
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Re: Griff
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I really can't see conference north either ....
With this set up ( Fans run club ) we will never and should never spend what we haven't got ( including the rent money )
So given that on say 400/500 gates, we'll be looking to get back to where we was last season.
Edited by Lord of the Manor at 03:31:27 on 16th March 2025
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Re: Griff
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I don't think we need to think conf north never mind EFL.
@500 gates now .... as we slowly progress up the leagues we're gonna start losing games .... gates will then start to decline IMO ..... fans will lose this enthusiasm as a new club and we'll be back to 400 gates. You can't progress through higher leagues with 400/500 gates ....well reach our level in a season or two.
Don't think we'll ever be the club we were 20 or 30 years ago .... all that's gone
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Re: Griff
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Yes LotM, this is all a part of the greater debate about the new Town Club.
What is the aspiration?
In my opinion, that needs to drive the new Stadium design.
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Re: Griff
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My option ( not that it counts ) start we a reasonable capacity ground ( 2 thousand ) just incase we have any kind of cup run, then we move on from there.....
No need to build a castle when we only need a two bed semi
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Re: Griff
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Building a castle is not what I am suggesting!?
You develop the new Stadium as you move up through the leagues, in accordance with the increased Ground Grading requirements...it is PHASED.
You need to start at the TOP in your design (EFL) & then work up to that level, starting at the BOTTOM.
That then FUTURE-PROOFS the new Town Club for future generations/custodians.
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Re: Griff
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Agree .... in principle..... start with the basics then build on, as and when it requires it
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Re: Griff
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You need to design a 2000-seater stand to EFL requirements from the outset, with all of the playing facilities you need (changing rooms etc) then you break it down in to Sections & build it in Phases.
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Re: Griff
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30 years are you serious!
Anyway there are many clubs now in the FL that have progressed from non league that dont have 2000 seats in the same place.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Re: Griff
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Clubs like Solihull & Brackley and many more have simply done what needs doing when they have to .
It's hard to see us going beyond step 3 without radically changing the way the club is run . Basically we'd need to seek outside investment and your then in the situation we're it's difficult to keep the club fan run . Clubs like Telford & FCUM have come across this problem with bigger fan basis than us . These problems are years down the line so not currently not worth worrying about .
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Re: Griff
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You are missing my point!
To build more than one structure is unnecessarily expensive.
You can accommodate 4-Phases of development to the new Main Stand, at minimum cost, over a long period of time, by simply extending (lengthways) the structure you start with, as long as you get the design right in the first place, to allow you to do that...it will also future-proof the new Club & it will enable the designer to establish the proper setting out of the new Stadium design from the outset.
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What you don't want to end up with is the hotch-potch at Wealdstone.
Second edit:
The new Stadium can also be 3-sided to start with & be expanded to increase the capacity in the future.
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Re: Griff
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I'm not missing your point I'm just disagreeing. The stand we are proposing has only 5 rows of seats and yet there is still room to build boxes above it. Anyway its early days so until we get funding and a patch of land etc etc....
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Re: Griff
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We are not disagreeing.
It is about fundamental design principles.
You need to build in a way that gives maximum return for the funds invested.
Nantwich Town's Main Stand is a good example.
They have built a lot of facility in an economic way by basically adopting a 'cube' approach to their design.
A cube is the most economical shape, it has the maximum internal cubic capacity for the minimum external surface area.
Check Nantwich's Main Stand out on the Internet & you will see what I mean...that stand could be extended the full length of the Stadium & provide an exceptional amount of facilities.
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Re: Griff
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Well I disagreed with you so glad you agree with me now.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Re: Griff
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The Nuneaton Griff and Nuneaton Harriers are effectively one and the same. They merged to form Nuneaton Harriers Community Association Ltd in 2014.
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Can we have an update on what was said?
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Thanks
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Re: Can we have an update on what was said?
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We'll be sharing the main updates made on the website, hopefully by the end of the tomorrow
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Update on the website
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https://www.nuneatontownfc.co.uk/news/fans-forum-update
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Re: Update on the website
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Thanks to all.
See you on Saturday.
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Re: Can we have an update on what was said?
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The meeting was good a success and great insight. Finances are in a good place and certainly over reached on our targets which we were set out in the summer of last year.
Liberty Way a no go, landlord not interested to do business, apparently the landlord wants it just for the rugby club.
3 sites have been allocated as possible sites for a new stadium (apparently we are not allowed to know sites yet) though hints was possibly gala fields, which were suggested by the local council. The club are looking into plans to put together a stadium plan of just over 1,000 to submit to the council. One plan design shown a built stand... with a club house, function room, changing rooms and seats etc. However further ideas and suggestions welcome before anything is submitted.
Something about we may need the pitch to be 3G, I wasn't quite sure but there was reason why.
Overheard one thing and I'm sure I heard Russell mention about Nuneaton Griff approached us about a possible future groundshare if a new stadium was built in the town.
Players in good shape, the keeper is injured and there trying to get a new keeper in for Saturday so may see younger Acton in goal. Louis Baker is set to return after spell away due to work commitments.
Plans for pre-season underway, apparently Blyth Spartans away is almost confirmed so I can imagine the players can have a night out in Newcastle. Plus a lot clubs are wanting to play us over the summer and got in contact.
No regular coach travel for next season due to costs, only for further distance games.
Co-Op club raised £15,000 I believe.
Boro merchandise made £20,000!
Interesting one from one fan who mentioned that, that we are paying rent but not making a tiny % of bar takings. Of course it's Bedworth's club house, but just a shame Nuneaton Town are not getting a small share considering we probably bring Bedworth United their biggest earner of the year. However grateful for help from Bedworth United.
Expected to be placed in United Counties South division, which is better option for us apparently, less travelling compared to other the leagues.
Not sure if I missed anything, progressive meeting for sure.
#BoroFanof50years#
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Re: Can we have an update on what was said?
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The longest trip in that league will probably be Easington Sports based in Banbury.
Both Rugby Clubs could be in there plus Atherstone if they don’t go up and Bedworth if they come down. Also Hinckley AFC
Plenty of old Derbies back next season possibly.
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Couple of differences to Stockingford Brews summary
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1. Didn't hear any hint of potential new ground site, just the point that options are limited - I think Griff have Gala Fields on a long lease so if true that's not an option.
2. I didn't hear any reference to Griff wanting to possibly groundshare, I doubt they'd need to as they have Pingles & Gala Fields.
Good summary Stockingford Brew & apologies if I missed the above being said.
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Re: Fans Forum 12th March, 7.30 at The Piv
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Re: Fans Forum 12th March, 7.30 at The Piv
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Even the fans forum question and answer is different from the past ....
Any questions possible ....
As many as possible will be answered....
And no questions need to be forwarded and pre read before the night.
This new club just gets better and better
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Re: Fans Forum 12th March, 7.30 at The Piv
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I’d be v grateful if anybody could share a summary after the event. Unfortunately I can’t make it.
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