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This will give Boro supporters the opportunity to see first-hand the top quality 4G pitch that has been laid at the Butts Park Arena (BPA).
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I think I read recently that former Borough striker Gary Hardwick has taken up the reins at The Butts.
As one door closes,another one opens.
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Come in as first team coach ,he has previously been there in the recent past as number two to Carl Nolan
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superb goal for Boro' away at Corby 95/96 under Brendan
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Has anyone thought....
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Seems to me the GALA fields would be perfect for the Boro'
Has that ever been considered?
may be an interesting discussion ;) 
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Gala fields - 5000 fans coming out on to Avenue rd after cup tie - No opposition from Higjways authority there🤔
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Clutching at straws!
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Irony alert.
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It would be interesting to know if the Butt's Park arena pitch is FIFA Quality Pro compliant and therefore suitable for Steps 1 & 2.
The maximum pile length under FIFA Quality Pro is 60mm and the World Rugby minimum is also 60mm, which doesn't leave any wiggle room.
Personally, I'm not a fan of Rugby teams and Football teams sharing a 3G, as the additional pile length tends to slow the game down.
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Not a fan of artificial pitches full stop.
Regardless of plastic length the game is always slowed down.
Rubber granules instead of soil causes erratic bounce and speed variations of the ball. Also no slide tackles and virtually no physical contact makes for a much poorer version of football compared to real grass pitches, definitely not as exciting to watch imo.
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4G pitches do not have rubber crumb.
The rubber crumb is made from used tyres (ELT's) (end-of-life-tyres).
FIFA Quality PRO Performance 4G pitches have a shock pad.
An artificial grass pitch is not able to replicate the experience of playing on a natural grass pitch.
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The best option, IMO, is for the Main Stadium pitch to be a natural grass pitch.
This will allow unhindered progress upwards through the Pyramid, to eventually achieve Elite football status.
This can then be supplemented by a three-quarter size FIFA Quality Performance (standard) artificial grass pitch next to/outside of the Main Stadium, which can provide a facility for Community use.
This set-up will allow separate changing rooms to be built outside of the Main Stadium, for Community use.
Just my thoughts!
Edited by VoR at 07:34:20 on 24th May 2025
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You are spot on, grass every time for me.v
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A good grass pitch yes.
IMO, I dont think many who watched games at the oval last season thought the games lacked skill, physicality and pace. It was a massive benefit to us playing on 3g at this level. We played worse on some of the poorer grass pitches in the MFL.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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The natural grass pitch needs to be a good enough standard to play lower league EFL football - League Two as a very minimum.
The minimum cost should be at least £150,000
The natural grass pitch at Liberty Way was of this standard, possibly good enough to play in EFL League One.
I understand that pitch cost £160,000
EFL League Two is an achievable target in a new 5,000 capacity Stadium, if the new Club (NTFC CIC) is to be future-proofed for future generations of Boro supporters.
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Why does it need to be EFL standard?
Are CCFC about to leave the CBSA ?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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The priority with the new Stadium is to build everything ONCE, to the required standard.
Future-proofing NTFC for future generations requires a natural grass pitch of a good enough standard to play lower league EFL football - League Two.
We are talking about a significant period of time here - thinking ahead reasonably 30 years.
Future costs will be inflationary.
Consideration must also be given to the fact that once a Club is admitted to the National, the FA require that Club to be properly prepared for entry into the EFL - League Two.
Also, it is possible that the National could one day become EFL League Three.
NTFC CIC need to be properly prepared & ready to progress upwards through the Pyramid, at all times!
Note: A League Two standard natural grass pitch would not be a high enough standard for the Sky Blues to play on, their pitch at the CBS would be of a higher, more expensive standard.
Just my thoughts!
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The natural grass pitch at Liberty Way (IMO) was good enough for EFL League Two football.
Edited by VoR at 10:26:57 on 24th May 2025
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If (and its not really a if as its total fantasy) the club is in a position for the FL £1,000,000s will have been spent and the pitch re-laid many times.
Its like saying A 6000 seater stadium is required NOW
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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A 5,000 all-seater Stadium is required to play in the EFL Championship - 800 lux floodlighting.
A 5,000 capacity Stadium, including 2,000 seats is required to play in EFL League One & EFL League Two - 500 lux floodlighting.
Realistically, the Boro's ceiling would be EFL League One.
EFL League Two could be achievable but many years away.
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Realistically, the Boro's ceiling would be EFL League One.
something never previously achieved or even got close to in reality.
NBFC have never won the top flight non-league league.
Is as realistic as me planning where I will take Natalie Imbruglia for our first date...........give me a moment to dream.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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"Realistically, the Boro's ceiling would be EFL League One."
Realistically, VoR, Boro's ceiling is National North. Even that is almost certainly a distant dream. EFL League One is just a fantasy dreamed up by someone who should probably know better.
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In the next 15 years Greg, I agree.
I am talking about the distant future - 30 years plus away.
The new Club has to take that into consideration, given that at some point in the future the present custodians will hand over to a new group of custodians & as such need to pave the way for that to happen.
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30 years time.....this was 30 years ago.
only ONE has returned to the FL (Newport)
only one has made it (FGR)
only two are at National level (Tamworth & FRG).
Many are at (or lower) the level Boro were at.
Many don't even exist.
YET you see Boro doing something they have never got close to whilst having a constitution that makes massive spending difficult.
1 Newport A F C 42 29 8 5 106 39 95
2 Ilkeston Town 42 25 6 11 101 75 81
3 Tamworth 42 24 8 10 98 70 80
4 Moor Green 42 23 8 11 105 63 77
5 Bridgnorth Town 42 22 10 10 75 49 76
6 Buckingham Town 42 20 14 8 55 37 74
7 Nuneaton Borough 42 19 11 12 76 55 68
8 Rothwell Town 42 19 7 16 71 71 64
9 King's Lynn 42 18 8 16 76 64 62
10 Racing Club Warwick 42 17 11 14 68 63 62
11 Dudley Town 42 17 10 15 65 69 61
12 Bilston Town 42 17 8 17 73 64 59
13 Bedworth United 42 17 7 18 64 68 58
14 Evesham United 42 14 10 18 57 56 52
15 Hinckley Town 42 14 10 18 61 76 52
16 Stourbridge 42 15 7 20 59 77 52
17 Sutton Coldfield Town 42 12 10 20 62 72 46
18 Forest Green Rovers 42 11 13 18 56 76 46
19 Redditch United 42 8 14 20 47 64 38
20 Leicester United 42 10 8 24 51 99 38
21 Grantham Town 42 8 9 25 55 93 33
22 Armitage '90 42 2 5 35 35 116 11
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Football changes - ask Burton - ask Harrogate - ask Barrow -
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Football changes - ask Macclesfield - ask Bury - ask Darlington -ask Rushden - ask Halifax ect ect
sadly far more tales of woe, the list is endless .....
but what i do know NTFC supporters will wake up tomorrow and they will have a team to support regardless of what league or ground we play in
its very early days ,but rest assured the custodians of the club have a FIRM GRASP on what is required and the huge task we have on our hands
Over the past 12 months we have given ample chances to engage with public forums and monthly treasurer's reports ,along with being very visible on match days .
This is not a chore , its a given and a new mindset if you will
Have a great bank holiday weekend ....UTT
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Add to your list.
Scarborough, Rushden and Maidstone.
All ex rivals of the Boro over the years who reached the holy grail only to go crashing down.
Town populations are irrelevant in this day and age.
What with easy transport (most have cars) and bigger still the wall to wall football shown on the box in the corner.
Other towns/cites similar/bigger than Nuneaton that boro have regularly come across - Bath, Worcester, Gloucester, Altrincham, Northwich, Stafford & Weymouth.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Indeed and the point he is missing - or ignoring - and which Mark is gently reminding him is that thanks to custodians of previous Clubs which existed in Nuneaton this one was left with no assets and no ground.
So started from scratch. Most rational people are simply pleased there is a Nuneaton representative club to support. It wasn’t guaranteed and has taken a lot of effort by volunteers.
So the only realistic hope for a ground in Nuneaton is council owned land leased to the Club (not for profit community company) and to help local residents by providing all week round facilities which will in return generate sustainable income for the Club. Without this grant funds won’t be available and NBBC will be less minded to help,
So I’m afraid future planning for the Championship can wait!
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It does make you wonder if he has ever followed the Boro.
in my time of following.........
* George Best game as club run out of money.
* Went bust Kelly/Shooter -> StadiaSafe.
* Alan Prince being brought in to make cuts.
* Went bust StadiaSafe -> Boro Leisure.
* Ground split from club.
* SkipGate.
* Ian Neale -> Lee Thorp -> (Norman Smurfwait) -> Lee Hawkins -> Jimmy Ginelley -> DA Capital -> JG.
* Locked out of the ground.
* Went bust.
I've probably missed some.
Of those named (and implied) from above, how many have ever come back as a spectator (1 I believe; maybe 2)
NOW - There are protections in place to stop it happening again YET the club should be preparing for the FL.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Your whole list is related to the problem of Manor Park - It was a decayed dinosaur unfit for progression, safety and economic redevelopment. It did not allow the creation of non match day income and gates were not large enough to fund the club alone. The opportunity was missed during Boros golden age in the late 60s/70s when crowds were big.
By the early 80s the place was a millstone around the clubs neck despite the widespread affection for it.
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My list is not all related to Manor Park.
I know opinion to stay or leave is split, but IMO the decision to leave was correct. Going bust was probably inevitable anyway, and given the site or Manor Park that was an asset that would have been lost. At least with Liberty Way the club and ground was pretty much inseparable (YES - I Know).
As for Manor Park. Football ground Health & Safety did not exist till Bradford and Hillsborough. Particularly with the former Manor Park was clearly not fit for purpose. Pre Bradford Manor Park was perfect for what was needed.
Easy to say "should have developed", but that would have cost money (Boro never had a sugar daddie) so how would that be financed? It would certainly had an impact on the success.
Did anyone complain seriously about the state of Manor Park during the Graham Carr or Brendon Phillips era. With the latter a lot of money was spent to get the ground back to minimum standard (Cock and Bear terrace split, Berlin Wall, perimeter fencing, Canal Side stand and making the stand safe).
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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The club faced liquidation in 1991/92 because Boro did not pay contractors who helped rebuild the main stand - part of the reason anyway.
Football ground health and safety did exist prior to Bradford but it was not all encompassing - the Popplewell report post Bradford fire saw the designation of many Lowe league clubs previously excluded/ many football league chairmen tare opposed to the designation due to obvious cost constraints.
25 non -league grounds were designated by Popplewell due to having a capacity of 10’000 or more - Manor park was one leading to the closure of the main stand as unsafe together with the Cabal side stand and lower cock and bear end. The Beaumont rd end was reduced in capacity due to the poor terracing and inadequate crush barriers. Boro could not support the costs of remediation works. The Carr team was a few years too early - Kidderminster grew not long after - Alners team and no cost restrictions due to Aggborough not being designated.
Reading the town to town project will tell you that many Boro fans were very unhappy at the faculties at Manor Park and that the club had grandiose plans to improve it which were never implemented.
Remember the designation under the Safety of Sports Grounds Act made it compulsory for an ambulance to be provided at each game - with a cost to the club - another cost lesser clubs did not have to pay.
Manor Park was using 1920s agricultural roof stands in the 1980s and other areas were either grass/mud banks or poorly laid uneven terracing. It never had a chance.
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Yep to deny this and hope they can now carry on regardless is to deny the absolute scale of the **** up which took place over several years!
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Massive mistakes were made but the issue that’s always dogged Boro probably since the late 60s is the fact that any ground they had did not produce income away from gate receipts, limited sponsorship and club totes. Football clubs in todays world need year round income.
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Bit of truth to this is and it was always obvious that the main excuse for the move to LW of off the field income was BS.
Clearly would have been better for the Club to go bust at Manor Park given the restrictive covenant etc
But Neale separated ground from Club and alienated the stadium’s neighbours who owned a sea of land around the LW island.
Thorn built up the debt and alienated supporters.
JG didn’t pay the rent and built up the debt further.
So the outcome was inevitable.
And VoR won’t face the reality of the new Club’s financial position. And I say that as someone who really does understand the planning process!
Edited by Gustavus at 21:41:07 on 25th May 2025
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Liberty way was the only option left - the favoured sites recommended by the LA failed at planning stage - the new club believes the town now with fewer sites will yield a new home. We will see.
As I’ve said Nuneaton has very few tracks of land away from large areas of residential - the former industrial sites have long ago been developed.
An east Nuneaton-perimeter site will be just another LW.
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LW was a fix for Ted Stocker to achieve what he wanted and the for the then Boro board to clear huge debts built up at Manor Park. It was sold to gullible people as being undertaken to achieve off the field income through conference facilities. In reality it was selling off the family silver to manage decline!
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Boro couldn’t make the club pay at Manor park and no money was available to develop MP. They tried to procure a new ground - it failed at planning and as you’ve said perhaps they should have gone bust at Manor Park. No doubt vested interests conspired but Manor Park was a mill stone and had to be redeveloped or replaced - sadly both failed and LW was a disaster which many traditional Boro fans never bought into.
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Don’t necessarily disagree although I think we should have held on to Manor Park as long as we could given the value and location and restrictive covenant.
The most criminal act was later when Neale separated ground from Club which went without a whimper despite then FSF advising it was recipe for disaster. Which proved true!
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Second para dead on Gus.
As for Manor park - we would have all loved redevelopment but the costs would have been massive - probably several hundred thousand just to level the pitch.
Boro missed the boat early 70s
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To the contrary, I very much understand the new Club's financial position.
My advice would be to work with Bedworth United & NBBC & estimate how much it would cost to bring The Oval up to National League North standard, within the next 10 years.
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and to not understand how much football (as a business) has changed in this time. Although the bottom five of the top-level seems to argue otherwise ;)
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A few small points.
Nuneaton has a population to support a national league or fl div 2 club.
Although very improbable it’s not impossible as Harrogate and Burton have proved.
Football can change and big gates don’t guarantee success - big money backers and prudent governance can be the major factor.
VOR is right about future planning - but this should be for a 5000 capacity ground that can hold a decent fa cup crowd.
Never say never and setting up to settle for southern premiership central will probably see the club slowly dissolve . Will that level ever entice new fans in large enough numbers to stem the loss of older fans who pass away.
Much of the damage done since 1979 was related to the situation with the ground - Major Park was a dump offering very few opportunities to make money away from gates and match day revenue - Liberty way was poor, I. The wrong area of town and again with no opportunities for extra revenue.
Since the big cup gates of 1967 Boro attendances for run of the mill games have hardly set the world alight bar a few big games .
And the elephant in the room again.
Nuneaton’s club these days seems to be Coventry city - will these people ever abandon that support for national league or even league 2?
The way forward for the new club needs the following:
A ground within the traditional catchment area which can produce income all year round with facilities including a large club house and function room and 4g pitches to provide community use.
A ground that has planning permission for incremental development if and when the need arises.
A complete understanding of why the club collapsed in the last and a means to prevent future chancers getting involved
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To give you an indication of spectator numbers for away fans:-
It is generally accepted that the away team are given a minimum of 15% of the Stadium capacity for FA Cup ties, segregated.
That means with a 5,000 capacity Stadium, the away team will receive an allocation of 750 tickets.
In the EFL away teams are expected to receive a minimum of 2,000 tickets, segregated, although with small Stadiums (typically minimum 5,000 capacity) that number is negotiable & could be reduced.
IMO, the Boro's new Stadium design should provide an Away End accommodating 1,000 fans (as at Liberty Way) & make provision for a further 250 seats to be allocated to away supporters, this can be either within the Main Stand, or in a purpose-built much smaller seated stand on the opposite side to the Main Stand, adjacent to the Away End.
This would give the away supporters an allocation of 1,250 tickets & 25% of the Stadium capacity.
IMO, this would help towards a good Stadium design & a very fair allocation of tickets for away supporters.
1,250 tickets in a 5,000 capacity Stadium is a IMO a good compromise & should be negotiable with both the FA & the EFL.
Just my thoughts!
Edited by VoR at 11:40:31 on 25th May 2025
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1250 allocation for away support.
When was the last time Boro got 1250 home support (apart from the very occasional one offs)
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Vor - can we please, please, please negotiate some middle ground that does not need an imagination based on fantasy? How about limiting requirements to levels that have been achieved by Boro in their history? That would mean planning for a design meeting National League criteria.
For the 2024/25 season, I believe that means a capacity of 4,000 with 500 seats. Cover for 500 is also mandated - which can be the seated area. If we start from that as a minimum, we are covered for the next 5 years even if we win every match. I would give you decent odds that we will not need that level of ground within 10 years if you fancy a flutter.
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It's not fantasy Greg, it's a reality!
The new Stadium concept design has to provide for expansion to 5,000 capacity, including 2,000 seats, built incrementally in Phases.
You build what is necessary, as you progress, over how many years it takes?
If you get your new Stadium concept design wrong, the new Club will be stuffed in the future!
Segregation is also a key driver, this kicks-in once you are admitted to Level 7/ Step 3 (SLPC).
Once you are admitted to the National, the FA's expectation is that you are prepared for admission to the EFL.
The EFL handbook is also a good guide to spectator numbers.
Edited by VoR at 12:04:26 on 25th May 2025
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"It's not fantasy Greg, it's a reality!"
Really? You think that EFL1 is a reality? Can I have some of your meds, please?
Just answer one question, VoR: when was the last time we came close to playing at EFL1 level?
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I don’t think we have a traditional catchment area anymore, apart from that I agree with your other points
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That was one of the few areas I agreed with him. It’s obvious where most Boro support comes from from in the town.
Also on population size. Nuneaton is actually larger than Burnley.
The Cov supporters that do exist in Nuneaton have generally moved into Nuneaton - a lot within the new housing. There’s no tradition of support here. There usually a back story if you ask.
Manor Park was the jewel in the crown which should have been developed. And the gates in 70s were pretty impressive and then again early 2000s. As for the 80s - cough - I’m not sure how accurate announced gates were.
As for the future proofing it disregards the position the Club is in. It’s in no position to dictate terms with anyone. It has no assets and has only existed for one year. So the priority is getting a site off NBBC not future proofing anything. Unless a major donor is found.
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No tradition of Cov support in Nuneaton?- I well remember the time city won the cup - the shop next to my school at the time was bedecked in sky blue - I have friends, Nuneaton born and bred who support city and the railway station was packed with Nun people in sky blue the last time they played at Wembley . There is a Villa tradition too - buses used to take Nuneaton people to Villa park years ago. And as I-know well coming from a County Durham family there is also a Nuneaton Tradition of Newcastle and Sunderland support due to the many mining families that moved to Nuneaton to work in local pits - about 30 years ago a coach used to run from Nuneaton to Sunderland games.
As for future pricing - sorry but VOR is right - it would be folly to get planning g permission for a ground holding 1500 people only for pal no g permission. To be denied 10 years later if the club needed to expand the ground- it’s just common sense.
As for the Council helping Boro- why the hell should they? They sold Manor Park for peanuts to the club with a covenant - the club screwed that up. Why should tax payers money be spent on anything related to an institution patronised by 500 people that has a huge track record of failure.
Boro will never grow again if southern prem central is the only ceiling.
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AV, I don't think anyone would argue that ground plans need to be future proofed up to a realistic level as the club (hopefully) scales the pyramid. The discussion is around what level is realistic. Based on our entire history, I would contend that National League is realistically as high as we will ever go. VoR thinks that EFL1 - or maybe even Championship - is realistic. I would describe that as madness.
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I have never aspired to the Boro playing in the Championship.
I have mentioned the ground-grading requirements to play in the Championship.
The ground-grading requirements for playing in EFL League One are the same as for EFL League Two.
That is why, IMO, EFL League Two would realistically be the new Club's ceiling.
EFL League Two is, IMO, attainable sometime in the future, probably many years away?
What we all must recognise is that at some point, the National will become EFL League Three, to avoid a log-jam of ambitious smaller clubs & bigger ex-FL clubs who are getting their house in order & want to return to EFL status.
Edited by VoR at 13:50:56 on 25th May 2025
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If we had 4 million to purchase a stadium I’d agree but we have almost nothing and are reliant on NBBC and grant funding for help. The most likely scenario is a similar set up to the one we saw at Sutton United last season.
In the past I would have agreed with him about help from NBBC. I’m normally the one who raises the point about the 25k sale in 1979. But I think this time everybody realises the jeopardy of football disappearing from Nuneaton.
I think people are either wishful thinking or denying the reality of the plight facing the Club.
As for the Cov thing I’d stand by the people moving into the town. It used to be the case you could never find three generations here. Nuneaton has never looked to Cov as a place to gravitate because Birmingham is so close too. But yes the new housing has changed things a lot in v recent times!
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For the new Club to progress, IMO, NBBC need to provide a minumum of £1.25 million from their S106 pot, to construct a pitch, Stadium perimeter fencing, floodlights & hopefully changing rooms, on land that they own, that can then be leased to NTFC CIC on a minimum 10-year rolling lease.
This would show a good intent by the local Council.
As a parallel exercise, a cost exercise should be carried out to determine the cost of bringing The Oval up to Level 6/ Step 2 National League North standards.
Then the Boro supporters can start to look forward to a promising future & everything could move forward from there, taking as long as necessary.
Just my thoughts!
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Agreed - 5000 capacity for me - National league is possible - football league is a pipe dream but not impossible. 500 seats - and a superb clubhouse with corporate facilities to make money - o and a 4 g pitch to do the same. The club however will only grow again to a higher level if the locals buy into the dream- that’s the hard part and southern central or even conf north mediocrity will never achieve that .
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To be cost effective, all of the new Club's facilities need to be housed in the Main Stand.
The amount of facilities required will determine the minimum size of the Main Stand & also determine the seating capacity, which can then be reviewed.
To build a small 500-seater Main Stand & also build a separate Clubhouse would be very expensive & IMO unnecessary.
Just my thoughts!
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Club house is just a term I use for a social club which would always be under or behind a stand. The problem is with Boros support VOR is that so many fans these days don’t seem to have ambition - without that it’s pointless. Nuneaton people will only trickle to town games if Southern premiership central is the ceiling.
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The reason I asked whether VoR had been to a home match is because the social club at The Oval is on the opposite side of the ground to the stand. The two are not always together at all!
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That’s correct now Greg,but up to a few years ago the dressing rooms were next to the Social Club. I suppose that if the ground had been future-proofed then the stand could have had a new clubhouse incorporated into the stand. But that’s another story I suppose.
As one door closes,another one opens.
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I think we have all heard enough of this crap now so unless you and the ridiculous VoR could just come on hear occasionally and discuss the team you never physically support, leave the rest of us in peace.
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Sorry - but this so called crap being brushed under the carpet is another reason your new super club will fail unless it’s addressed - The reason you are watching semi parks football in Beduth is all because the issues related to the ground we’re never addressed.
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I agree with your sentiments AV.
Your earlier comment about the new Club dissolving if SLPC football is the ceiling, is very relevant & if continuing to play at The Oval proves to be the long term or even the only option going forward, that could be very damaging to any ambitions NTFC CIC may be harbouring?
The negativity I have put up with on this forum since joining is relentless, I have to question whether contributing information is worth it but standing back & saying nothing would IMO be worthless!
Back to facilities now!
The Main Stand needs to be designed to the criteria laid out in the EFL Handbook, accommodating all of the requirements for future EFL membership.
eg. The changing rooms need to be sized correctly etc.
FWP Architects will/should know this when offering their advice.
The rider I would give to that is FWP will only respond to the Brief they have been given by the new Club's Directors.
Only the Directors know what instructions have been given to the Designers.
Just my thoughts!
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Also VOR - your opposition on here is generally related to many on here who have no idea whatsoever relating to building construction/finance, planning and ground design. Most can’t seem to understand the importance of the modern football facility needed to produce annual sustainable incomes. The lack of this infrastructure and other ground issues is a fundamental reason the club has failed for so many years- no one could make it pay despite the fact there were mistakes.
The days of people standing on rubble strewn terracing and mudbanks are long gone whether the football is good or not.
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The days of people standing on rubble strewn terracing and mudbanks are long gone whether the football is good or not.
....like some of the grounds we played at last season!
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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But that’s parks / village football - with very few fans - not proper football conf north and above.
Boro should be playing the likes of Kiddy, Boston, Telford not wheel tappers and shutters social welfare fc.
Repeat the mistakes of the past and it’ll happen again down the line.
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But thats where we are, not some fucked up pipe dream of getting a £4m stadium.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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The club is there because it never learned from past mistakes and didn’t plan for the future - sorry pod but VOR is right - failure to plan and future proof a new ground will result in yet more failure - it can’t happen again- this time it has to be right.
Even a basic new ground in Nuneaton May cost in excess of 3 million - the road back will be long but it must be done right.
The costs will be higher even before any site work is done.
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We are talking about many years to achieve any sort of steady progress.
The costs over that time will be inflationary.
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My real concern AV is whether the new Club's Board of Directors actually understand how complicated & uncertain & involved the Planning process actually is & how much it will cost?
Also, there is no guarantee of gaining a satisfactory Planning Permission at the end of a potentially very long road!
A good Planning Consultant is gold dust.
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Another point I would make is the Construction Companies/Consultants are generally very nervous about working for football clubs, because of a fear of not getting paid.
To get around this, it would be a good idea for NTFC CIC to set up an Escrow account with their Bank & appoint their Bank as the Escrow agents.
They could then deposit the 'Back to Nuneaton' funds into the Escrow account.
Just my thoughts!
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I don’t think most who post on here understand VOR let alone the clubs board. Many other far bigger clubs with far more clout have spent years in the wilderness after losing their grounds. It won’t be an easy way back whatsoever if it ever happens. Procuring a new football ground in a largely residential area with no money and few supporters will be very, very difficult - I see Beduth for years sadly.
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If I put my mind to it, I could name 20+ consultees who will be involved in the Planning process.
A major player will be Warwickshire County Council Highways & they move at their own pace!
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Planning agents - ££££££££££
Big money to be paid before a cube of concrete or a brick laid.
Architects design fee- 10% and upwards of build cost.
D&A statements - EI statements - the list goes on.
You know best VOR - what you reckon - basic stand with social club - couple of steel clad stands - a few steps of terracing - perimeter and pitch fences - turn styles- how much ?
And how much for infrastructure? Car park- access?
£3 million for basic?
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Pure guesswork!
Budgets:-
Main Stand (including all Club facilities) £1,200,000
Home End (Covered Terrace) (2,000) £500,000
Away End (Covered Terrace) (1,000) £300,000
Ancillary Buildings & Hardstandings £400,000
Stadium Boundary Fencing & Gates £100,000
4G Pitch & Floodlighting £750,000
External Works & Drainage (Extent?) Allow £500,000
S106 & S278 Works (Extent?) Allow £500,000
Planning £250,000
NTFC CIC Contingency £500,000
TOTAL £5,000,000
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I wouldn’t disagree with that - back to Nuneaton fund will help though 😝
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The Planning costs can quite easily escalate to prohibitive numbers.
Gaining a satisfactory Planning Permission should be looked upon as a commercial negotiation with NBBC, where they expect to receive a financial benefit, usually by way of a S106 Agreement.
WCC Highways will determine the extent of any S278 Works that are required.
Then there is the Planning Fee to consider...
From a construction point of view, the greatest risk on any site is the possibility of finding problems in the ground, which require ground remediation or ground improvement.
Lee has mentioned in his April report about looking at multiple sites (that's not what they want to do) & they are right not to be given the run around.
Any site that is offered with a previous history of being used as a tip (possibly an uncontrolled tip) should IMO have a line put through it!
Once a preferred site has been chosen, an extensive Ground Investigation should be carried out under the guidance of a Civil Engineering Consultant.
Just my thoughts!
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Vale view - Haunchwood brick and tile no3 Etruria marl clay pit - landfilled.
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Boros current fan base is ageing VOR despite some young lads supporting.
As the March of time moves on the old fellas who were there for the clubs glory years and greater standing will sadly be gone and IMO insufficient new followers will come on board of the club stays below non league level 3.
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In Boro last season they averaged 770 (including the play off game).
Taking the PO game away (3563) its 637.
Last season Kettering, Halesowen, Telford, Bromsgrove, Bedford and Stratford all bettered that (unsure ig they include play-off games). Redditch were only 6 short.
So, even when Level 2 was in sight there was not the interest. I accept many reasons for that as I certainly didnt enjoy what I watched.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Ground in wrong place - terrible football and no sense of progression- feel good factor as you say. Bit as you say things can change - look at KH gates before Allner arrived - smaller than Boros. The worst crowds in the history of the national league/ alliance premier were the two years of Carrs team. They only began to grow when automatic promotion to league came in.
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It's nothing to do with "nuneaton people".
Society is totally different to what it was 30 or 40 years ago, and there are so many alternatives.
A business (in this case a football club) must do what it can to attract customers (in this case spectators) and thats to provide a decent product (enjoyable experience) at a reasonable price along with a "brand loyalty" (to feel part of everything) customers can accept and embrace.
Looking at the gates the club is getting in Bedworth they seem to be doing a pretty good job at that. Will it decrease/increase......let's wait and see.
Whilst I don't see anything wrong the club are doing (far from it) the fact the previous owner offered none of the criteria I have become dissolution and have finally broken my addiction.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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So Nuneaton people will never have any interest in their town club then?
Do 20 thousand brummies watch Cov city each week?
Do most Boro fans who watch Boro come from Stratford?
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I take it you didn't go to any Boro matches in the season just finished, VoR.
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The 3 with most to say have not been at all to New NTFC and gave no intention of going as far as I can see.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Is that a crime?
Is it a crime to be pissed off at the nasty mess that the JG tenure brought?
Is it a crime to wish the new club well and hope for success but not want to pay to watch?
When the new club and perhaps the supporters cooperative issue a statement addressing all those who were verbally and digitally ( some threatened) abused because they criticised the regime who presided over the collapse of the club we loved will I ever return. Football opinions should never be addressed by threats and personal abuse. Club owners and managers at any level should respect paying fans opinions and keep shtum whether they agree or not - that’s what professionals do - sadly it never happened at Boro.
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I think you'll find we were both big critics of JG and both got threats.
We differ on the direction of the new club, aiming for the stars got us 3 financial fuck ups.
I'm happy to get a tiny ground and see where it takes us, we'll just have to disagree.
I just bought my season ticket and am a Co-Op member so at least I have a say now if I want.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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POD this forum makes for sad reading.
and no not the posts themselves or indeed the posters
as i believe everyone with an interest is entitled to their opinion.
ie. its an open forum as far as im aware
for me its how has this once giant of the non lge scene descended to its present standing.
the culprits have long gone, THEY know themselves who they are.
we ALL know who they are anyway, we dont need to name them
people with fuel filled bloated ego's.
they did not love the club or respect the fans
their only concern was " look at me "
running a piss up in a brewery comes to mind.
hence its going to be a long road back even for the younger element of the support.
i wish all concerned the very best of luck... it will be needed
UTB.
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The Boro went under 3 times Pod because Manor park was a mill stone around the clubs neck - it was a designated football ground which cost to much to run and didn’t provide Non match day income. Once it was designated around 1986 Boro could not afford to pay for wholesale redevelopment and money had to be spent just to make it operational- the main stand had to be re- roofed and this contributed to the debt. Kerry and Clayton and others looked for a new ground which could provide money making facilities - all possibilities failed at planning stage and this approach would have cost money and plenty of it .
Sorry pal but VOR is right - a new ground has to be planned to future proof the club and to generate annual incomes-
And getting planning permission at an early stage for what could realistically be needed In 20years time is far better than getting 20 years down the road and needing improved facilities but not getting them due to the planning process - that will result in stagnation and potentially demotion and the same state of affairs.
Boro never chased any dream - they simply tried to make the club pay at levels the fans wanted - conf north etc.
The only other option would have been to accept relegation to lower levels and accept a reduction in gates and yet more shortfalls in finances - it would have been a continued process.
The new ground is the most important issue related to the new club and without adequate understanding the club could doom itself to yet more failure down the road.
The planning application should look to provide a Liberty way type ground but with a good main stand and social facilities to make money all year round- plus - 4g pitch - we ain’t talking about white elephants like the old Nene park of the Darlington stadium - just enough to satisfy the top two tiers of non league but related to planning . It can be developed incrementally as funds allow.
Without a modern and sustainable ground within the right place in Nuneaton the club is destined for eventual failure.
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The Directors of NTFC CIC must study the Stadium requirements relating to the Main Stand facilities, as laid down in the EFL Handbook & make sure the facilities provided comply with EFL membership requirements.
This should be discussed & agreed with FWP Architects, if it hasn't already been addressed in the new Club's Brief to the Designers.
Otherwise, the new Club could have a major problem further down the line, particularly if the National eventually becomes EFL League Three.
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Another consideration is whether to size the pitch to UEFA standards - 105m x 68m
When designing stands (seated or terraced) it is good practice to make the stands co-ordinate with the pitch dimensions (105m long or 68m long).
This will give greater flexibility for capacities.
The Home & Away Ends at Liberty Way followed that principle.
Edited by VoR at 17:56:20 on 26th May 2025
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Let me explain Pod.
You need to get a satisfactory Planning Permission for a 'Concept' Stadium design.
This needs to be based on a 5,000 capacity Stadium, including 2,000 seats, ideally with all of the facilities that NTFC CIC will ever need housed in the Main Stand...this will be the most cost effective solution.
You also need to get a 'future' floodlighting level of 500 lux agreed with NBBC Planners as a part of the Planning Permission.
This will future-proof the new Club for future generations.
You then start by building a 'tiny' Stadium & increase the capacity as the new Club progresses upwards through the Pyramid (& possibly in to the EFL at some stage), unhindered & all in compliance with the FA's Ground-grading regulations for the NLS & the EFL.
So, if you fully understand what I have just outlined, you will see that there is no disagreement between AV & yourself.
Once that is all fully understood, the challenge then is firstly to fund the Planning process & then, if successful, fund the construction of the new Stadium.
As CHR says, it will be a huge task.
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Honestly VoR please give it a rest now, you don’t come to the Oval and watch us we are in our infancy and nowhere near starting the process of building stadiums etc.
Just as our new league is allocated and the pre season friendlies announced you are back repeating the same old boring nonsense we have read hundreds of times before.
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It’s not boring and it is massively relevant - ignoring these issues is not helpful- this club will only grow again and truly represent the largest town in the county when the ground situation is successfully addressed.
Most of the problems at Boro over the last 4 decades were relayed to the ground issue. MP and LW.
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More boring information:-
A Planning Permission lasts for 3 years, before it expires.
This can be mitigated if during this time it is expected that a meaningful start will be made on site, with some construction activity progressing...
So, timing is important.
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I'm so sick of this patronising shit, no more posts from me.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Why is it patronising - There are knowledgeable people on here who understand building procurement, finance and planning issues.
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AV, in my opinion it's patronising because VoR seems to assume that no-one else understands anything about how to conceive, plan and design a football ground. It's immensely patronising (or plain stupid) to assume that the directors would consult with ground designers without first researching what the club's needs are.
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VOR has a long standing career in construction finance and building construction/ procurement so he should understand the issues. Most on here don’t and as usual the mob tend to take their scorn out on those who who produce info they don’t understand. Those that don’t understand at the new club will have to pay those that do and that will cost. I see no problems with VOR - I believe he is somewhat right in what he says although he may be a tad extravagant.
The clubs history is littered with so called successful businessmen who thought they knew best but knew sod all.
And as I’ve said a few times - the childish notion that those who are currently not attending games (but have in the past) hate the club and hope it fails is total hogwash.
Every current and past stakeholder who wishes the club to rise from the ashes should engage in meaningful conversation related to any new ground development - not ridicule those with expertise or knowledge who are just trying to shed some light on the processes that will be involved and must be done right.
Perhaps VOR should offer his services to the new club - I’m sure any volunteer help would be much appreciated.
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I believe VoR was invited along to meet a director at the last league match, but didn't turn up.
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On reflection, wrong time, wrong place for me Greg.
The last game being a celebration day for the new Club's achievements.
Edited by VoR at 19:41:30 on 26th May 2025
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Ooooo I got shouted at because I was basically being a troll.
So now I come on here to troll people even more.
What a sad little life you’ve got.
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People like you backed the individual who’s hubris and disgraceful attitude towards long-standing supporters angered many. His management of the team and ownership of the club brought terrible football and the eviction of the club from its own ground and the club going bust.
He spent big money they couldn’t afford on old men and average players.
He constantly exaggerated the size of the play off final gate which was, according to him larger than the ground actually holds.
He also went on a fans Facebook page and abused supporters who had football opinions.
Sorry pal but if you think that’s all ok you’re in cloud cuckoo land.
People like you who claim to have loved the club sat by with indifference and let him get On with it unchallenged.
As for Manor Park Blue I bet you’ve never set foot on the place.
Me a troll- nah - I tell the truth and stood up for the institution, cared
for it as did others - and others were abused with private message abuse and threats.
I suppose you think that’s ok?
Imagine a football club that cancels all opinions it don’t like - that’s unprofessional and thats what happened at Boro -
It was a disgrace and people like you were all part of it.
You should be ashamed to call yourself a Boro supporter.
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Backed him? Absolutely not.
He spent money when it was wasn’t “really there”. I’ve been many games home and away this season.
More than you two sad clowns who get off on going on a forum of a football club you claim not to support.
Then have the nerve to ridicule because we are watching “semi parks football”.
You have a nerve playing the victim when someone says something on here or to you.
When you take the piss out of us for watching you’re implied “shit football”
You and VOR would be welcome to meet the board, join the board / co op. Yet no.
(Don’t give me the story about designing the disabled stand again please. It’s old).
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I stood up against the disgraceful antics of certain individuals who brought the club to its knees yet again long before the new club started- you chose to abuse me long before the new club began and even lauded a disrespectful chant about me at one of the last Boro games- one high up coop individual castigated you on here and deservedly so.
And yes I did help procure the disabled stand with around 2 grands worth of professional work all for nowt to help disabled fans and the coop. The coop offered to pay me - I refused.
That is not club hatred.
I ask again
What services did you offer the club Manor Park blue?
What have you ever contributed bar scorn and vitriol aimed at those who stood up and cared
For the institution that was always far bigger than one man’s ego and his army of followers?
The parks football comment is not ridicule just fact - most players at this level could be seen for free on a Sunday morning.
It’s a bit disheartening when the club you supported is run into the ground for the third time - I well remember being at Sutton Coldfield when Joe Shooter was handing out pledge forms to save the club .
I’ll just have to accept that you believe I hate the club I supported for 45 years and still would be if it wasn’t for the gang of deplorables who lapped up everything the previous regime said and tried to bully and cancel all those who
dated to speak the truth.
The club going bust again is not the reason I ended my support - it was the bile aimed at me - and others that was unacceptable. These events have driven pee away and that is a shame. Without all that crap I would still be paying to watch this season but as I’ve said I’ll never return until the club and coop make a statement accepting that nasty things occurred and were said and attempt to calm the waters and issue regret.
In the mean time I’m happy to look for results from afar.
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Turned out well for him too at Barwell. Got lucky there through someone else’s misfortune. He should have done the honourable thing and left.
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It's going to be interesting to see what the supporters of the new Club can achieve in the next 30 years, not that I will be around that long to witness future events.
A good start has been made with the formation of NTFC CIC & winning a league title in its first year.
Let's hope the present custodians make the right decisions to allow the Boro to progress upwards both during & beyond their custodianship.
Also, the businesses within the town & the wider area see the potential to progress in what has been & hopefully always will be a footballing town.
Challenging times ahead!
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How many times do we have to go through this, VoR? Just answer me one question: When was the last time we played at EFL 1 level?
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I know; I know
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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You need to donate a few million to the back to Nuneaton find VoR. There is now a button the website for you do to this 👍
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ive got a tenner.
covered in cobwebs
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Lee needs a bigger barometer, to keep the supporters informed!
I would suggest £5 million for starters!
No rush!
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Get donating VoR!
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The Oval is your fall-back position.
Maybe you need to start thinking 5-10 years ahead at The Oval?
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https://donate.stripe.com/14A14o3FDcM26Ra1Uaf3a05 - Every little helps VoR, we'll get the EFL standard pitch and correct lux floodlights in no time.
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You will need Planning Permission for a modern LED directional floodlighting system to 500 lux to play in EFL Leagues One & Two.
That could be a major problem if overlooked in the Planning Application.
Failure to secure that requirement will leave NTFC CIC hamstrung in the future, for future generations/custodians of the new Club.
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Brilliant, any donations to go towards planning applications and these floodlights would be great. Cheers VoR!
https://donate.stripe.com/14A14o3FDcM26Ra1Uaf3a05
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Oval pitch is not Pro pitch it's 3g rubber crumb.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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Don’t wish to appear pedantic pod but The Oval is listed as a 4G pitch on the Northern Premier League website. I wonder though if that refers to their new pitch or the one due to be replaced.
As one door closes,another one opens.
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No probs.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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That will limit the Boro's upward progress through the Pyramid to Level 7/ Step 3 (SLPC).
The same criteria will apply to the new Stadium pitch, if the choice is an artificial grass pitch.
A Pro standard pitch will allow the new Club to play at Levels 5 & 6/ Steps 1 & 2.
If NTFC CIC then achieve EFL status in the future, the artificial grass pitch will have to be ripped up & replaced by a natural grass pitch, to a standard suitable to play lower league EFL football (eg. Harrogate Town & Sutton United recently experienced this requirement).
That is how the FA Rules apply at present but you have to keep a close eye on what they are up to!
They issued an Amendment to their Ground-grading regulations for the NLS at the start of the 2024/2025 season.
A benefit arising from that Amendment was that they have relaxed their requirement for the number of seated stands (previously no more than TWO) to allow more flexibility in Stadium design in the NLS - there is now a minimum number of seats specified for each seated stand, that number depending on the Level/ Step being played at, I suspect to aid Clubs in the provision of seating in the away end (where segregation applies).
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Check out 'The FA Guide to Artificial Grass Pitches'
It will give you a good insight into the requirements.
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S & C Slatter installed the new pitch at the Butts Park Arena.
Check out their website.
There is plenty of useful information for you to read there Lee, along with the ground-grading regulations.
Please note the preferred direction of play, dictating how the pitch is laid, which is consistent with the Stadium layout, with the Main Stand in the West.
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Pretty sure Bedworths new 4g will be of similar quality that’s being laid very soon
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FUTURE-PROOFING NTFC CIC
Are you going to leave it to chance?
Or are you going to find out what the specification is for the new pitch being laid at The Oval?
As a custodian of the new Club, IMO, it is your duty to find out.
Is it a FIFA Quality PRO Performance standard pitch, suitable for Levels 5 & 6/NLS Steps 1 & 2?
Or is it a FIFA Quality Performance standard pitch, only suitable for Level 7/NLS step 3 & below,
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It’s Bedworth’s pitch not ours
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I can understand your point if we were in a position to build our own ground but neither Boro playing at Bedworth or Bedworth United are likely to be pushing for the National league within the foreseeable so why would we need a PRO pitch or why would Bedworth .
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It applies to Levels 5 & 6/ Steps 1 & 2
That means it applies to the National League North.
If it's not a PRO pitch, that writes-off the Boro being able to play in the NLN at the Oval.
IMO, a new stadium in Nuneaton to NLN standard is probably 5 to 10 years away.
The NLN is 3 promotions away, so the prospects of further developing The Oval has to be a consideration, being run as a parallel exercise, to the new stadium plans.
It would be good to know what ground-grading The Oval has at the moment?
I suspect it is only for Level 8/ Step 4?
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It will take ten years before we are anywhere near National League Nirth Level.
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Correct the Oval has ground grading for step 4 currently as the rules changed a few years ago that you can only get graded for the level you currently play at.
The Oval has previously been a step 3 graded ground and wouldn't need much to become a step 3 ground again Should either Bedworth or Nuneaton be step 3.
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Step 3 requires segregation.
How will The Oval measure up to that requirement?
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John
Yes i am aware of the criteria and requirements for ground grading. The plans will be discussed with the right people when the time is needed not now or on a public forum.
I wont be commenting further on the matrer.
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Having been places like Biggleswade & Barwell i wouldn't see step 3 being a problem . As well as the current ownership have done this season we currently have enough spare money for some dugouts and some temporary toilets . We need a few million just to build a basic new ground from scratch , don't want to sound negative but I don't think we need worry about a National League standard ground for a few years yet .
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It's not about supporters opinions.
It's about the process & being well prepared.
Playing standards can improve rapidly with promotions but further Stadium development takes a lot more time, because of the numerous factors involved.
Nothing can be left to chance, it has to be well prepared for in advance.
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"It's not about supporters opinions."
Does that mean that it's not about your opinion also?
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Oddly, this forum is all about supporters opinions.
However perhaps Mark could confirm if the new Bedworth pitch is the Pro version or not, he would know and that's probably not confidential.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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The point I am making Pod is that progress with the off-field stuff is dictated by the ground-grading requirements & not by what the supporters think about what is possible or not?
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Yes I know, but people will always discuss their preferred options from past experience, it is allowed you know.
It wont make a bit of difference to what the clubs decide though.
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Alright Bedworth say there only prepared to or can only afford a quality standard pitch what do you ( vor ) expect us to do about that ? I mean this as a genuine question not being arsey .
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We accept that playing at The Oval will limit the Boro's progress through the Pyramid to no higher than Level 7/ Step 3.
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Which may be our natural level
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With respect to whatever supporters think, the worst thing the current NTFC CIC Board can do is to take that as guidance.
That would be a massive mistake.
What the present custodians must concentrate on (this is as important as the team) is protecting the new Club's aspirations to progress upwards through the Pyramid.
This involves fully understanding the ground-grading criteria/requirements & making sure at every stage that the new Club can progress.
For this not to happen would be unforgiveable & the supporters will not accept that situation...guaranteed.
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The supporters won’t accept chasing a dream and going bust again. We will never be a National League team because we do not have the money to afford full time wages. Even getting to the Conference North is highly unlikely. In terms of a new ground which we will have to rent it just needs enough space for expansion.
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I see a few very slight problems
Nuneaton Town do not own a ground
Nuneaton Town do not have much financial reserve - and most of what they have is to find their own ground.
Nuneaton Town have limitations on getting money (ie can’t run in deficit)
Poole town spent a lot of money to get the county ground upto standard only to be evicted a few years later.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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As I see it!
NTFC CIC appear to be a limited company, limited by directorship, whereby the directors take no financial responsibility, because they are only acting as agents & can walk away at any time.
As a limited company, NTFC CIC will be liable to pay Corporation Tax on their profits & VAT.
As far as raising funds is concerned, they can ask the supporters to pay a joining fee & an annual subscription.
As far as donations are concerned, the CIC is not a Charity & so tax will be payable on gifts.
The alternative would be to convert to a CIC limited by shares & initiate a share issue.
If this option was taken up, the shareholders would expect to be paid a fixed annual dividend, irrespective of the CIC's financial performance, whether in profit or loss.
It will be a challenge.
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And your point is? To progress to the Conference with a new ground we need a sugar daddy who will give tens of millions to the club and never walk away. Chesterfield are millions in debt. So are most clubs. If we become a Southern League Premier club in the rest of my lifetime that will be a major achievement.
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Realistically, at my age I share the same view as yourself.
I have accepted that my best days for watching my Club, the Boro, are well behind me now & I accept that situation.
My view, as you know is now about future-proofing NTFC CIC for the benefit of the younger generations of supporters that are starting out on the road & are looking to share the same wonderful experiences that we have already enjoyed.
Future-proofing requires a new Stadium concept design that can eventually hold 5000 spectators, including 2000 seats, with the ability to segregate supporters & a Main Stand (built in the West), that ideally has 2000 seats & houses all of the facilities that the new Club will ever need in the future (built to EFL standards).
This could take 30 years to achieve (as a guide), depending on the level of interest & support for the new Club in the town of Nuneaton & the wider Borough.
I think achieving Level 7/ Step 3 status in the next 10 years would be a major feat & playing at the Oval for the next 5 to 10 years must be a consideration.
As a fall-back position to the new Stadium, the Oval is a big site & could be further developed to Level 6/ Step 2 standard, if necessary.
Everything depends now on the goodwill of NBBC to sympathetically co-operate with the new Club & make a successful return to Nuneaton possible, hopefully in the next 5 years.
As I have stated on here many times, GALA FIELD is the obvious choice for a new Stadium in the town, because that site will not present highways & environmental hurdles that cannot be overcome in the Planning process.
Before the present custodians go too much further in the process, I would advise the directors to appoint a good Planning Consultant to act on their behalf & liaise with NBBC planners, ideally a practice that is known to NBBC & has worked successfully with them in the past.
It will be an amazing journey for everyone who loves our Club.
Just my thoughts!
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"As I have stated on here many times, GALA FIELD is the obvious choice for a new Stadium in the town"
Really, VoR? This crap again? Gala Field is already let to other tenants. It's not an option. We have tried to tell you quite a few times, but you don't seem capable of understanding it. Please stop mentioning it.
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For the last time f##k gala field it isn’t happening end off
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Absolutely. Everyone accepts this - apart from one person ...
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We're going Vale View anyway .... that's number 1 site
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But he is the Voice of Reason and you can’t argue with that.
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It is a site that IMO is sympathetic to highways & environmental requirements.
These will be major Planning issues & could cost significant sums of money to resolve, to be paid for by the Developer (NTFC CIC).
NBBC Planners will require a Transport Assessment to be submitted with the Planning Application, that will involve a Traffic Study & a good, well thought out Travel Plan
There is also the potential for the Developer to pay more significant sums of money of money by way of Section 106 contributions & Section 278 Works for highways improvements.
We are talking about serious amounts of money here Greg, which need to be mitigated.
Plus the cost of numerous environmental reports, to satisfy the Planners.
NTFC CIC need a good Planning Consultant on board now to co-ordinate all of these actions/planning requirements & represent the new Club in their negotiations with NBBC.
Without delay, to avoid going around in circles & wasting valuable funds.
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Jeez, VoR. The site may be "sympathetic to highways & environmental requirements" but it is already allocated to Griff and the Harriers. That means that we can't have it. Which bit of that are you struggling to understand? Or are you just trolling the forum?
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You seem to think that is written in stone.
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It is. See Mark's post below. What makes you think the agreement is not valid?
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The Pingles Stadium expansion!
The Pingles Stadium operated by Nuneaton Harriers Community Association in partnership with Nuneaton Harriers AC & Nuneaton Griff FC has secured a long term lease and licence from Nuneaton & Bedworth Borough Council to run the two football pitches and associated changing facilities at the old running track on avenue road. Also know as Gala Fields. These pitches will be maintained and managed by the stadium as part of the community association’s long term plan to develop football provisions within the borough.
Jared Wilson, Operations Director said:
‘By securing these pitch’s and changing facilities we can further develop our portfolio of facilities and services we offer to both our in house and local teams. Through our long term strategic plan we will work with our various partners and stakeholders to enhance the site further, to provide clean, modern sporting facilities for all’
The old running track was demolished in 1999 after it move to the then newly built Pingles Athletic Stadium. Nuneaton Harriers Athletic Club gifted the old running track ground and pavilion to the local authority and it has been used as football pitches ever since.
Mollie Orton, Association Chairperson said:
‘After twenty six years since we moved from the old running track it seems fitting that we have now been entrusted to maintain this site again for future generations to enjoy’
For more information or to book these facilities please visit www.thepinglesstadium.com
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Good luck to the Harriers/Griff in sorting out the pitches. Football in the area really needs them!
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They have been listening to a fans advice and they have consultants employed to look at all that. Perhaps ought to read what the club puts out.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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I have read Lee's April Report.
They have FWP (Frank Whittle Partnership) Architects on board & they are talking to the Football Supporters Association.
The next step is to appoint a Planning Consultant, who will liaise with NBBC Planners, co-ordinate the negotiations with the various statutory consultees & progress the various designers inputs (ie. the designers employed by NTFC CIC).
NTFC CIC will also need to employ a Solicitor.
They may also need to employ a further specialist Solicitor, to independently challenge any Section 106 costs tabled by NBBC (if applicable).
They could need to further employ a Civil Engineer to independently challenge any Section 278 Works highways costs, tabled by WCC.
A good Planning Consultant could progress all of these actions & start to tease out the full extent of the Planning costs involved with the Planning Application.
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It wont be a challenge because its not going to happen. Sorry for offering my opinion as a mere supporter.
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I wouldn't imagine many involved with the boro in any capacity ever expect to see us playing National League football at the Oval . Think the things your concerned about don't become an issue until / if we ever move to our own ground in Nuneaton .
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I was just wondering, its bound to come up again at some point and VoR wants to know for different reasons.
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Yes, it will come up again with the new Stadium pitch specification.
Edit:
That will presumably involve NBBC in some capacity, at some point?
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I reckon that this subject is now on its seventh lap and borders on the ridiculous. Nuneaton Town Football Club does not at the moment own anything connected to land or the capability to build even a shed on anything. Here,I reckon,is the perfect opportunity to leave the subject aside until they are. The Oval is under the direction of Nuneaton and Bedworth Borough Council along with Bedworth United FC,not Nuneaton Town FC.
Amen.
As one door closes,another one opens.
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your spot on Vernon
we are as a club where we are.
with a bunch of guys ( supporters ) who are doing a great job. to date.
but we all know that you need money + investment and loads of it in the modern game
to achieve and maintain any sort of a standard above what i would call the basic levels
not knocking it just stating the obvious imo.
hence good luck to all concerned. i wish you well
ie. if it floats your boat enjoy.
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I have heard Vale View mentioned by a couple of people. Not club officials but regular supporters. Whether anything in this I don’t know. Has anyone else heard the same?
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Yes a few people have mentioned it on here and on Boro chat. Mainly people who live round there I guess. I can't see a stadium planned in a residential area being allowed. As we know the club have identified a preferred site and a couple of others and are dealing with pre planning processes. We wont know anything for a long time yet IMO.
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Looking at this the NO-Way would a stadium be permitted
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9J7AM4ZpXMAkQsew5
It's really going to be hard to find land.
Nuneaton is a confined area with hard boundaries; particularly the A5.
To me, the only possible option may be the Windmill (also on the map), but I guess that comes with loads of other issues.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Wondering if anyone has considered the site in between Coventry Road & St. George's Way at all?
It could be designated prime industrial land or perhaps green belt? But seems to tick a lot of the boxes; good access, bus route, large site, near a train station (Bermuda Park) etc...
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Not heard this site mentioned and it would appear to be in the right sort of area, to be honest every option mentioned so far has the two Hopes attached….Bob and No.
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Here's the site: https://maps.app.goo.gl/HsFgZdi7TsFqCD6fA
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Plans were submitted for that site about 18 months ago by WCC.
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Thanks for the update, a shame, I thought that was a great location...
Ah well, the search continues!
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It would be interesting to hear what WCC Highways have to say about the Vale View site.
The same applies to the Windmill site.
Also, National Highways will be a Consultee.
They would have to assess the impact a new Stadium would have on the A444/M6 Junction 3 & also the A5 Corridor.
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The Windmill site is not in Nuneaton.
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(pedant).
Old Trafford is not in Manchester.
The Oval is not in Nuneaton.
AFC Wimbledon do not play in Wimbledon.
Warwickshire CC do not play in Warwickshire :)
and.............Boston United do not play in the USA :) :)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Don’t matter where it is but planning permission needed - not an easy thing in this day and age.
Nuneaton mostly residential and any site next door will face opposition as Boro found out 25 years back when more local land was then available.
Answer my messages you miserable sod (; 😂
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Your last sentence absolutely sums it up nicely.
As one door closes,another one opens.
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Surely VoR will know.
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Time to hit the "ignore" button
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The Rugby season is finally over and (some) people are bored. So they are getting up to mischief again. Some Forum contributors dwell in the real world. Others get stuck in reviving old memories of past glories.
The language being used in (ahem!) certain posts in this thread (as always) tells you all you need to know.
Finally two quotes:
" Never use one word when twelve will do."
" One full of thoughts and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds. "
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