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Not going back to nuneaton
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After hearing so many rumours of we can't go here we can't go there, can someone from the club give us some information, you promote yourself open and upfront, I'm 74 in November and can't see me watching the club in my lifetime in nuneaton
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New ground? No problem
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https://www.warwickshireworld.com/news/people/delayed-leamington-stadium-may-not-open-until-2031-5288696?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwMa48ZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHlZqKAuRYgBOMlxL-JWljPi9Jd2TGl6F8qAGNaPhnQCcszYiEKZAEo2hegUX_aem_F-p-739k52fEfP_s-YMrAA
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Why did the council give Nun Griff Gala Fields when they know we need a ground if they were trying to help us why didn't they offer that before giving it the Griff we as a football club could if made money for them from that situation I don't think they are making much money from it now just a thought
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Is there a future groundshare a good option for both us and the Griff. Least guarantees future homes for both Nuneaton clubs.
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This is most likely the only option for the club. Has had been mentioned many times by others there is no other obvious site in the town.A groundshare agreement,however, needs to be a watertight contract to avoid a repeat of Liberty way.
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We both could have it built on gala Fields Griff already have kease I don't fancy Griffs ground that running track a big no no from ne
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There has been much discussion on here about Gala Fields, and there was a view (not subscribed to by all) that it would not be suitable for the ground that Boro needs to progress upward through the pyramid.
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Pauls Land would be great topic of conversation with the Council I would reckon.
The King is dead. Long live The King.
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Think PaulsLand is too well protected, the wealthy residents on Lutterworth Road would soon put a stop to any talk of football ground going there. They don't even like the noise of the Sunday league games.
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Vale View ....
Not first choice, but it's probably our only option
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Has anyone actually asked Griff if they would like a ground share..... sounds like were calling the shots and they have to follow?
Maybe they don't give a fuck about our self made destruction?
Maybe there ok on there own?
Stop thinking we're the Billy big bollocks club in town.
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I was not assuming that the Griff or anyone else would welcome us with open arms. I just think that a groundshare is a more realistic way forward for the club as the land issue in the town is such a problem. Plus the cost of obtaining such land is certainly ,at the present time, maybe beyond what the club could afford.
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The griff are in the driving seat.... if and IMO its a big if
we wanted to ground share we must go cap in hand.
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Did we need a ground when Griff started playing at The Pingles? That's not how I remember it.
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I didn't mention Pringles I did say Gala Fields the old running track
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£5 million worth of funding from the Council's Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL) list.
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If you live in stockingford just think its within walking distance.
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Vale view won't happen.
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Why ? .....
Don't see many reasons why not .... the main one being the council wouldn't find it very difficult to do anything with it other that a sporting facility
Edited by Lord of the Manor at 17:03:32 on 26th August 2025
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It’s not the problem of use it’s the problem of the number of users and the impact on local residents and whether they will accept the noise, match day disturbance and other issues.
No good applying for a 400 capacity ground. If the club grows the ground will need to grow.
This is what the site looked like in 1913 before landfill.
As VOR says any build will need to address the site and what’s under there.
HW no1 works second clay hole looking towards the railway from the local of the modern Cherry tree
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Talking of Haunchwood what about the ground that the stute played on i dont think anybody is using it and it is out the way of houses ?
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I went to one of the meetings at the Bermuda Phoenix club, I noticed there's a pitch and bit of land near there. Don't know what team plays up there. Perhaps opportunity around there, plus it's only few stones throws away from that original rejected Eliot Park project. Would be ironic if we end up around that neck of the woods anyway.
#BoroFanof50years#
Edited by StockingfordBrew at 17:37:12 on 27th August 2025
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They were approached, but did not want a 3g pitch so I was told.
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Not big enough and poor access -
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My dad lived in greenmoor road.
I remember the outrage when the jubilee centre was being proposed and residents got assurances there would not be a bar.
Then, when there were talks of boro moving there.
Nb - my dad had no objections.
I also remember when I lived there a neighbour complaining about the noise of the PA from Manor Park …… hard to believe I know ……. That anyone could hear it 😛
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It would be very difficult to get that site past WCC Highways.
You might be able to gain a satisfactory Planning Permission for a small scale Stadium development.
The concern I would have is that it is a former landfill site.
If NBBC were to offer that site to NTFC, they need to make sure that any remediation is completed at the Council's expense, to bring the site forward for construction, without the football club being saddled with possible substantial exceptional costs in the made ground.
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To carry out an extensive Ground Investigation alone would wipe out a good chunk of the funds in the Town's 'Back to Nuneaton' budget.
The normal procedure in such an event would be for NTFC to appoint a Civil & Structural Engineering practice & instruct them to obtain a Ground Investigation Report from a specialist Geotechnical Engineering company.
As a forerunner the Civil Engineering consultant can carry out a desk-top study of the site.
Together with the geological information & any landfill records that have been kept for the site, an initial assessment can be made very quickly, as to the suitablity of the site for Stadium construction.
Edited by VoR at 17:21:53 on 26th August 2025
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The site was previously the Haunchwood brick and Tile no1 works clay pit working the Etruria marl - it was the second pit the yard worked , the first being adjacent the works- now a pool. The large pit now on Vale view was extracted in the site of the ancient Haunchwood and was filled in after it ceased working the marl. The mark from this pit E eye red the brickworks via a tunnel under the railway line.
It was more or less worked out when photographed in 1913 - the image is on the BGS photographic archive online.
I believe that the NPPF- the governments planning directive and policy will require the sports pitch to be replaced if it is lost - but if a new 3G community pitch was created then things may be ok. The only thing that concerns me with that site is the close proximity to residential development and the poor access onto one road which is often busy The northern boundary of the site os the railway line. . But it’s for the planners to determine once they have all the facts and have done their consultations. I believe that this site would be subject to big local opposition just as the Jubilee centre site was. Would there be public benefit by constructing a stadium on this site?
We shall see.
And as VOR has rightly said you have to plan and obtain permission for the best case scenario- it is no good having permission for a 1500 capacity group d of down the line you will need 5 thousand and better floodlights and then get refused. Stick to something that is obtainable in a practical sense but make the site future proof- we're not talking about the stadium of light here are even something relative to what Burton have got but a scenario such as Liberty ways stands and capacity with a decent main stand and associated facilities would be nearer the mark.
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That's a good summary AV.
The new Club need to be aware that even if WCC Highways approve the site, it is likely that highways improvements will be needed under a Section 278 Highways Works Agreement.
That could be anything!
The Town would have to pay for those works, because they are the Developer.
Looking at the depth of excavation in the clay pit & the subsequent depth of landfill & the nature of the fill operation (was it controlled or uncontrolled) I have serious doubts whether this site is suitable to build a new Stadium, without incurring significant additional exceptional costs in dealing with potential problems in the made ground.
An extensive Ground Investigation would be needed...costing at least £25,000
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If memory serves me correct ( as i lived on Haunchwood Rd at the time ) and its probably over 55 years ago, that end of the tip wasn't landfill, only the brick yard side was.
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In any event, carrying out an extensive Ground Investigation would be the best risk-free approach.
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Too many houses and narrow roads around the site.
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There is one road ( Vale view ) the pitch is over towards the railway line. Two exits could be made available .... one to the roundabout, one off Vale view road .... it has a children's play area on it which would have to he moved.
Look on Google maps, it has a wide area to work with. Nowhere near houses
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Vale View? Wonder if the surrounding residents would accept that without a fight? As it goes that site would be ideal as it’s a stone throw from the old Manor Park and within the traditional catchment area.
Poor access though and surrounded in 3 sides by housing. Also a former industrial site - the infilled Haunchwood brick and tile clay pit.
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Dont know about 3 sides ..... thought it was just one .
It is an old landfill site which does have a football pitch on it ... unused apparently
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I think if everyone settles down to the idea that the Town will be playing at the Oval for at least 5 years, it will be helpful.
To qualify for Football Foundation grants, both Clubs will need to provide evidence to the FA that they have a minimum 10-year lease in place, at the levels they are currently playing at, so a wider discussion on the Town's future playing arrangements/agreement would prove very useful.
It should also be recognised that obtaining a satisfactory Planning Permission to return to Nuneaton could reasonably/realistically take up to 10 years to achieve...there are many hurdles to overcome & significant amounts of cash needed to successfully fulfill that goal.
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Up to Level 7/Step 3 a 10-year unexpired (rolling) lease is required by the Football Foundation (Premier League Stadium Fund).
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If you check out the treasurer reports on the website, there is a monthly update on Back to Nuneaton contained in. Everything else is conjecture.
https://www.nuneatontownfc.co.uk/treasurer-updates
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Hope is not a plan.
Edited by mark-nbfc at 12:54:28 on 26th August 2025
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excellent stuff M.
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To save you some time, the most recent update is:
"Regarding project itself, we have had a very constructive meeting with Nuneaton and Bedworth Borough Council, in which they agreed to carry out a pre-planning and highways investigation on a possible site to determine whether there are any likely “showstopper” issues that could derail the planning process, should we apply for it.
The results of this investigation will inform our decision as to whether to go ahead and commission a site survey. "
To add context, we previously identified a number of possible sites for a new ground in Nuneaton, and following initial discussions with the council commissioned a feasibility study on what was felt the most viable site. This was carried out by FWP, who are architects with subject matter expertise on the matter of non-league football grounds.
The feasibility study on balance was positive but with a few issues to overcome, but nothing unsurmountable. This has been presented to representatives of Nuneaton and Bedworth Borough Council along with a business plan. It was after this presentation that the council agreed to carry on the pre-planning checks mentioned above.
We still haven't discounted the other sites, these will be probably only explored further if the need arose.
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Any site outside the traditional catchment area will simply be another Liberty way.
Did you know that in the 14 seasons of Alliance premier football Boro have played in since 1979 - that is the top level of non league Boro/ towns average league gate was only 1300.
Todays nationwide league average is around 2 and a half thousand.
I have not watched a single game of the new club but it is certainly apparent that the new setup is very professional and transparent.
I applaud all of this.
I will not set foot at this new club however until the powers that be issue a statement condemning and issuing a statement of understanding related to the abuse myself and others received on social media, at games and via personal messenger by so called fans when some of us stood up and offered opinions on the horrendous way our club was run leading up to its collapse.
A statement by the club and the coop would go a hell of a long way to finally calm the waters.
All stakeholders in the club should be able to offer their opinions without personal abuse.
Edited by Armchair Observer at 14:45:25 on 26th August 2025
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Thanks for the info, Lee.
If you can say, and I respect if you cant, how would any site be financed?
Is the club in the process of applying for, or eligible for grants? Are these fully financed or matched with the club needing to raise cash too?
Even if the sites are available, is raising the capital for the land and infrastructure possible/realistic?
ZERO criticism, just alligning expectations.
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There's lots of permutations on how this can be financed, and a lot of it can't fully be answered until we know what and where.
What I can say right now, and I said it at the Piv, is that I would not have got involved in helping to rebuild the club if I didn't think the returning to Nuneaton is possible and realistic.
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Depends where you go. Look at the average gates the last 50 years - they are not high whatsoever in non league terms. Any new ground needs 12 months a year economic activity to help finance the club. 3G pitches, corporate facilities and what not- money made all year around.
Edited by Armchair Observer at 14:56:03 on 26th August 2025
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Negativity every time you post, it is tedious in the extreme.
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Reality not negativity - do you have any knowledge related to the construction of new grounds - or any other buildings - knowledge of the planning system? Construction costs and the history of the issue - Boro have tried before to get a new ground in Nuneaton 25 years ago and it all failed - and residential opposition to sites was very apparent and local councillors backed them.
Is it positive to say Nuneaton Boro has been a success the last few decades when it has been run into the ground and been screwed three times financially?
Some on here just don’t like facts shown to them by people such as VOR that understand these issues better.
I can be positive all day long when you give me facts that point there.
I’m positive about the way the club is now being run.
How’s that for yer?
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Thanks Lee, nice honest answer
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The first priority MJ is to raise sufficient funds to pay for the costs involved in the Planning process.
Appointing an experienced Planning Consultant, who is already known to NBBC, would be a good initiative from the new Club.
The Planning Consultant would be working for the Town & will manage the Planning Process discussions/negotiations on their behalf.
Edited by VoR at 14:50:05 on 26th August 2025
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££££££££££££- before the first sod is cut.
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Yes, an eye-watering amount, with no guarantee of success when it reaches the Planning Committee's vote in the Council Chamber, even if the Chief Planning Officer recommends that a satisfactory Planning Permission is granted.
Even then, after the granting of a satisfactory Planning Permission, there is a moritorium to negotiate where objections can still be made & ultimately referal to the Central Government Inspector at the DoE.
It is going to be a challenge!
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Available sites don’t mean planning permission will be granted - Boro went down this new ground route 25 years ago and all does failed - and sites adjacent to residential areas garnered large scale opposition - the same will happen again. There are very few if any suitable sites within the traditional catchment area. Many long standing supporters stopped going after Manor Park and never went to Liberty way.
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Could somebody explain where this idea of a traditional catchment area comes from. Where were these hoardes when the club needed their help and support when we moved from Manor Park. The traditional catchment area no longer exists, as long as the club builds a new ground within the environs of Nuneaton it is all we can ask.
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we must realise the large part of the monies to pay for a new ground, will have to vome from backers, and we know what that means dont we ?
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Plenty did not sign up to Liberty way - I know Boro fans that were regulars at Manor Park but never went or only went a couple of times to the new ground.
Boros last 3 seasons in the top level( conf, alliance premier league) witnessed average crowds 300 bigger than the 3 seasons of top flight played at Liberty way.
And I’ve seen widespread negativity on Facebook pages where people have stated in numbers that they stopped attending games when Boro left Manor Park. Many walked to games at Manor Park from the housing estates of Stockingford.
Anyone who thinks that Boro/town will be well supported at a ground in the eastern extremities of the town again is misguided.
500 fans at Beduth for low level non league is one thing but they’ll need a big increase on that if they get back to higher levels.
IMO the club was never viable at Liberty way above southern prem central.
If you have t git a backer you’re main income is through gates and what those people spend.
Edited by Armchair Observer at 12:26:37 on 2nd September 2025
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I am struggling to think of many lower level football clubs have progressed by trying to develop an old stadium where as I can think of plenty that have moved and done so (and many who have moved and failed).
How many clubs now have grounds central to their town?
There is many reasons why the Boro find themselves in the position they are now, with the main one IMO is separating the ground from the club…..in other words….. making the only asset easy to liquidate.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Moving from Manor Park was not the problem - moving to a poor ground on the other side of town which was not the traditional support base was- the stats don’t lie - Liberty way was not liked and crowds there were nothing like seen at Manor Park - it amazed me just how few attended games when Neal and Wilkin gave the club top flight non league again.
Many couldn’t be arsed to travel to the other side of town and I know individuals who have me that reason for giving up watching run of the mill games. It’s probably as easy to go to Beduth as it was to drive from West Nuneaton to Liberty way. Not a problem for doe hards though.
The whole Liberty way experience was poor - poor atmosphere - no main stand and a hell of a trek along a shell hole infested driveway which was dangerous, especially at night.
For me getting the location of any new ground could make or break the new club IF it ever wants to return to the higher echelons of non league football.
Sadly sites are at a premium and it’s not going to be easy.
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The difficulty in accepting LW from the outset was having no Main Stand.
The other 3 sides of the Stadium were built to EFL grading standards.
It was built totally opposite to what you would normally expect in new Stadium build, where the main priority is the Main Stand & incorporating all of the facilities you need in modern Stadium design, including future-proofing the Club by incorporating EFL requirements in the layout.
The thinking at LW was bizarre to the extreme!
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My prediction for some time is that, we will end up back at Liberty Way. But not while Arden Tigers own the land, at some stage they will sell up and the new landlords will want to make more money as possible probably knows having a football club playing at the ground as well as a rugby club will make an absolute fortunate. Alternatively we end up trying to buy Liberty Way back if all options fail.
The Oval is okay as a temp measure for next two to three seasons but if the club get to Southern League Central and beyond we will hit the problems.
It is concerning times ahead, as much as the club are doing well without a long term home this success could easily come to a sudden halt.
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For the Town & the Nuns to both play on the Main Stadium pitch at Liberty Way would need a new hybrid pitch to be laid...Desso GrassMaster or similar.
Edited by VoR at 21:13:33 on 26th August 2025
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I honestly can see no simple and logical alternative
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There are two alternatives:-
1. Re-develop the Oval, it is a very big site & if necessary could be extended into the Miners Welfare Park, on the existing Main Stand side of the Stadium.
2. Re-locate to the DeMontfort Park Stadium (Hinckley LR) & relay the grass pitch.
That said, going back to Liberty Way would be the most cost effective solution.
Edited by VoR at 20:39:03 on 26th August 2025
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You must be on the wrong thread this discussion is about returning HOME to Nuneaton.
We are Nuneaton Town.
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i have to say im amazed that your post is the first solution that sounds remotely feasible to me.
i await the bombardment of the LW detractors. :-)
LOL no problem. pile it on........
ps. i say the above not out of love for LW i just cant see another viable option.
i really cant.
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In recent times Spurs returned to their previous location.
If they can do it 😛😛😛😛😫😫😫😜🙁🙁😇🤩
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Wait for it
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Here they come.....
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good to see the usual suspects assuming they know more than the people running the club
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Not for ten years if ever
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There is no realistic land available.
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In the short-term, the ground-grading at the Oval comes in to focus.
The Oval is currently graded at Level 8/Step 4.
One more promotion & the Town will be playing at that level.
Then the attention will quickly turn to whether the Oval is suitable for football at Level 7/Step 3.
I know that is probably of little or no concern to Bedworth United but if work needs to be done to upgrade the Stadium to achieve a Level 7/Step 3 standard, it will need to be paid for...
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