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FWP Illustrative Main Stand Layouts
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My comments:
Delete the two single-storey wings, removing the Supporters Bar & the Community Changing Rooms from the Main Stand layout.
Increase the size of the Home & Away Changing Rooms to meet EFL requirements.
Delete the Corporate Boxes/Meeting Rooms & add a Directors Hospitality Room.
Increase the number of rows of seats to 16, which will allow facilities to be situated below the seating deck (partially).
The roof can then be constructed as a propped cantilever.
By increasing the number of rows of seats to 16, it will be possible to utilise the designated areas on the plans for future seating, to increase the seating capacity to 1000, if/when necessary.
The Supporters Bar can be added at a later date & be attached to but with separate accesses from the Main Stand, for security purposes.
The Football Foundation provide grants towards Community Changing Rooms, so these can be constructed as a separate facility.
NTFC need to make sure that this project flies.
The rest of the facilities shown on the plans are well thought out & tick all of the boxes.
Just my thoughts!
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The Kitchen on the First Floor needs to be a 're-heat kitchen' & NOT a Catering Kitchen.
Food is sourced nowadays from external suppliers & is brought in on matchdays.
Catering Kitchen installations are expensive & are a major fire hazard/consideration from a Building Regulations consideration & require separate fire compartmentation (possibly 4-hour).
It is useful to have a 'dumb waiter' installed to service the Kitchen area.
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Separately, delete the grass pitch.
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Delete all the income
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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The Club can set up a Fanzone on matchdays.
Northampton Saints RFC have a Fanzone on matchdays ( in addition to their bars) which is very good.
There is a beer tent & a number of different food outlets.
A Fanzone would be a good alternative at the start of the journey.
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Another alternative temporary arrangement would be to hire a modular unit.
Second Edit:
NBBC's Cabinet Report (3.8) states NTFC's intentions for Phase 1 & Phase 2 of the new Stadium's construction.
Phase 2 includes the use of modular seating & standing, also the construction of a basic Clubhouse.
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Social club generates income plus changing rooms plus seated area. Bedworth has good facilities we could copy some of them. It’s all about the grants that are available.
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Do social clubs exist on football grounds?
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Perhaps social club is the wrong word. Like I have said before we should be looking at what other grounds at our level and above have. What did they build first? What funding did they get?
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FWP have referred to food & drink outlets being included in the Concourses of the Main Stand (presumably at some point).
Those two wings housing the Supporters Bar & Community Changing Rooms will get in the way of further extensions to the Main Stand in the future, so they need to be deleted at this stage (future proofing).
If NTFC want a Social Club, IMO it needs to be in a separate Building at some stage, for me it is not a priority & should be added on to the 'wish list' & costed.
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Not a comparison in any way. Get a grip FFS!
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The way it works is that you reduce the design down to the bare minimum & see where that takes you?
You then cost the other items on your 'wish list' & put them below the line.
For me the Supporters Bar, Community Changing Rooms & Community Grass Pitch are 'wish list' items.
Once you know the basic starting figure you can then prioritise which items on your 'wish list' you can afford & add them back in to the design.
Your starting point has to be your minimum cost.
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So, floodlights ready for the Football league are not an issue then?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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The FA's ground-grading criteria for season 2025/2026 require new floodlighting installations to be 200 lux for both NLS Steps 3 & 4.
The minimum requirement for the EFL is 500 lux.
A satisfactory Planning Permission should consider the EFL requirement to future proof the new Club.
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The idea of a community centre/facility was raised earlier to maybe ease planning with the local residents. You are just removing all the facilties that would allow this.
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Not the way it works.
Go back and wank off over plans and piling and mines and leave business plans to others.
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Have a smoke pod VOR means well and does know how to cost a construction project.
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And you complain about other people’s language
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Yep you got me there. Although the younger Berts Dad in the 70's was pretty potty mouthed as remember.
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I think I was in the same year as your brother at Higham Lane juniors.
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Yes all 3 of us went there
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Remember you and your brother. How’s Peter doing?
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Yes you would be same age as Pete, he's fine, still lives in Nuneaton with his wife. I'll tell him you were asking after him.
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There’s a WhatsApp group organised by Mick Starmer which meets regularly. Quite a few from Higham Lane Juniors are in it. I have Mick’s contact details if Pete is interested.
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Very true but never at our own fans
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He's not a fan, he only comments when a new ground is mentioned then he spams the forum to make himself look clever.
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To be fair I think he was a fan in the 70s and continued until the Ginnelly disaster. I may be wrong but I think he was one of Stuff’s mates.
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Spot on!
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It was a lot of fun in those days
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Would have been in the same year at MPGS as 70's Stalwart.
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Yes and went to away games with 70s stalwart. Were you one of those regulars? There aren’t many of us left now.
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When I was a 'Sprog' at MPGC they were all in the 3rd Year. Knew of all the lads in 70's Stalwarts Form through the lad that lived next door to me up Camp Hill.
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He was a Fan - just lapsed at the moment, we all go through periods where we fall out of love with the FC. Ask VS. He is clever - he went to MPGC.
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VS - lol
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We are at cross purposes here!
I have explained how it works from a costing perspective.
You need to establish the base cost & then decide what else you can afford to meet the requirements of your Budiness Plan & make compromises if required.
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No we are not you have no clue. Go and book some piling for your new bird table.
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You have to establish your rock bottom/no frills base cost & work out how that is going to be paid for & then prioritise the items on your 'wish list' & work out how they are going to be paid for & make well thought out compromises as a part of your decision making process.
It is challenging, reality always is & you have to make some tough decisions but once you have completed that process you can go to NBBC & the funding bodies with confidence.
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...then, once you believe you have a proper understanding of what you are trying to achieve, you start all over again & further Value Engineer the project.
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Just one question, VoR. Why do you assume that those running Boro - including some of the most successful businessmen in the area - won't have thought of all these things and planned accordingly?
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Observation.
How many "successful business people" have gone on to ruin football clubs...... A hell of a lot,
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Indeed. But, on the other hand, how many clubs have been successful without successful businessmen but listening to fans with a little experience in their field and who are good at using Google?
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Greg i think you vs and myself all realise
you need money to compete at ANY level bar the amateur game.
loads and loads of people/fans etc etc can talk a good game
and YES us 3 are no exception. we're all guilty
BUT pro footballers will ALWAYS go for the BIG bucks ... full stop, end of story
all of us can pontificate as much as we like from dawn till dusk on the subject > but thats the REAL world of professionalism. you cant do eff all without the ££££££
btw subbuteo used to do a nice ground kit, pitch, stands and floodlights
dont know about the crowd though think you had to provide that ;-)
sigh.... back to the real world ....
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Yes - and may it also be prudent to say that some total idiots have run Boro over they years BUT perhaps there was never enough income coming in to actually make the club pay at the level most wanted without a money man.
A small bit of research o did the other week-
In the 14 seasons that Boro/town have played in the alliance premier since 1979- and all its other names- the average league crowd is only just a tad over 1300!
And I believe the average league crowd in the national league now is around 2500 ish. Brito/ town average league gates in the conf north are only around 7-800 since that divisions Inception. These figures are poor when considering g the population of the town.
The question is then does Nuneaton want a top flight non league club?
In the evidence it seems not.
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To be fair Gregg there have been many successful businessmen running Boro over they years who when the truth was k own didn’t know what day it was.
There are plenty of so called successful businessmen who have made a few bob who you certainly wouldn’t take to your local pub quiz night.
VOR understands construction finance and was a regular Boro supporter and I believe wants the club to be restored. I’ve not watched a single game of the new club after years of support for many reasons.
But we have all had skin in the game regarding past incarnations and I don’t know any current or lapsed Boro/ town supporter who doesn’t want to see it rise and become successful again. After the latest collapse there were always going to be pissed off/ hurt/ angry/ disillusioned people and those who have quickly climbed back on the horse. 1 collapse bad- two unreal bit three economic calamities leaves a bad taste in the mouth for many. I watched most of the JG horror era, some stayed away- suppose that’s how it is.
My decision to stop watching was made as the Rushall team won the playoff - said of had enough on walking out of Liberty way - it became a habit and I decided to break it as I have other interests.
Everyone on here - past or present fans wants it to succeed.
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It's straightforward for me now AV.
I am 70 next February & I have been a Boro supporter since the age of 9.
I enjoy watching elite professional sport - football, rugby & cricket.
I am not interested in watching football at the level Town are currently playing at & I make no excuse for that, it is my choice.
If Town supporters are offended by that, then so be it but that doesn't mean that I don't want to see the best for the new Club in the future.
The decision they have to make is do they want to be a recreational, community based football club or aspire to be an elite football club, which proudly represents the town of Nuneaton, with a population of circa 90,000?
You can't be both!
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More or less same as me - watch me other team Sunderland on tv now and test cricket that it - other interests take more of my time.
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If they were that successful then they would have bought Liberty Way when it was on the Market.
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I think they tried but the bloke from Port Vale turned them down.
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Why would they? Boro had a perfectly serviceable rental agreement at the time.
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Bloke from Crown Skip Hire had it all verbally agreed.
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Indeed so. Did he buy it?
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No. He allowed someone who favoured the interests of the Rugby Club to outflank him.
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Does that mean he must be a bad businessman?
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No. Not as bad as the Organisation that did buy it & have had minimal or no return on their Investment thus far.
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