Newest article: Don't think so by Unnamed SauceYesterday 21:47Yesterday at 21:47:15view thread
Oldest article: Yeovil 1 Boro 3 by Unnamed Sauce17/8/2025 19:41Sun Aug 17 19:41:54 2025view thread
Next thread: Today's Line Up by CockandBear15/11/2025 14:37Sat Nov 15 14:37:51 2025view thread
Another step along the way
Views: 1175
NBBC have agreed to give the club a 49 years lease on Vale View
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 1112
Am I right in thinking this means we can now apply for funding?
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 1048
Start of that process mate, yes.
The Football Foundation need evidence of a long lease before they'll commit to funding.
Lots of steps to go through yet, but a clear step in the right direction.
🤞
---
Hope is not a plan.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 1006
This doesn’t mean planning permission is confirmed in principle does it? Or does it?
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 1017
No, the club would still need to go through all of the stages of planning etc.
---
Hope is not a plan.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 988
What is the reason for where the new ground is at vale view ?
Are you going to be able to build VOR’s all seater football league standard ground there, doesn’t seem like it would be a good fit, his floodlights would cause complaints with camp hill and stockingford residents
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 927
"What is the reason for where the new ground is at vale view?"
It is one of very few locations in Nuneaton that could accommodate what the FC would need.
"Are you going to be able to build VOR’s all seater football league standard ground there, doesn’t seem like it would be a good fit, his floodlights would cause complaints with camp hill and stockingford residents"
NO. It will never be allowed due to objections from Residents and significant road access Problems.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 902
Not future proofing the club then
Scrap the plans
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 961
The floodlighting could be a major issue full stop.
The requirement for Levels 7 & 8/Steps 3 & 4 is 200 lux.
That will increase to 250 lux at Level 5/Step 1 (the National).
In mitigation, the modern LED floodlighting systems with directional lighting will be a big improvement on the old system at Liberty Way.
Those old lights are only 60% efficient & there is a lot of light spillage & the resulting light pollution.
Nevertheless, it would be one of first items on the Agenda to ask the Planners, whichever site is eventually chosen?
IMO, 500 lux will be a very tall order & so playing in the EFL could be ruled out of the equation full stop.
Edited by VoR at 21:22:13 on 12th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 976
If playing in the football league is out the equation need to just scrap everything then surely
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 945
Why would we need to do that, simply because we would not be able to build a stadium suitable for a level we have never played at before? Are you turning into VoR?
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 923
Build a ground with a capacity similar to Liberty way- 500 seats is plenty.
A main stand with the facilities the club needs including the bar and perhaps some viewing area/ corporate set up.
When Boro played Stoke and Middlesbrough 500 seats was plenty. If 1000 were installed most would remain empty.
If and its entirely possible one day that Town could play a home 3rd round cup tie again then there is an option to increase capacity. This could be achieved by creating a hard standing behind one are of the ground, say behind one goal where a temporary area of seating could be erected.
Boro/ towns average alliance prem/ conf gate is only 1300 odd in 14 seasons in that competition. Furthermore Boro have not had a 7000 plus home gate since nearing Oxford in the late 70s.
So for me 4500 capacity - 5000 at a push would more than suffice - that would allow for bigger gates for big cup games and playoffs.
Town will return to southern premiership central sooner rather than later so planning needs to be done now.
However the club can’t apply for planning permission for a tiny ground that isn’t up to national north level at least.
National north is probably towns level but you never know in football.
As the sage of football VS rightly says - football changes and can change quickly if the ingredients are right.
Vale view has the area of land and is not too far from the old Manor Park- it is within a large built up area so access is easy by walking for many.
One major problem- I don’t see the technical aspects of the build being an issue - money is a tad harder but grants May speed the process.
The big elephant in the room is opposition from local residents.
I simply can’t believe that they won’t kick up a fuss once the reality dawns.
Liberty way was a disaster for Boro - the club did lose long standing supporters after moving down there so any new site has to be right - very right.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 716
We need to make sure there are facilities for local residents to use - artificial pitches, gym, sports hall, cafe and bar.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 734
No chance .... rhe cost of the FC alone is going to be astronomical.... might just get a couple of five a side pitches on the side
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 907
It's not what you or I think!
It's about the process.
4000 capacity including 500 seats & 250 lux floodlighting is required for membership of the National (Level 5/Step 1).
5000 capacity including 1000 seats & 500 lux floodlighting is required for membership of the EFL (to start with!).
If you limit your aspirations/ambitions to only playing in non-league football & leave the Club hamstrung, due to Planning restrictions, then you will not be able to progress to the EFL at any stage in the future.
The present custodians of the Club will need to take responsibility for those actions, if that is route agreed upon.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 889
"The present custodians of the Club will need to take responsibility for those actions"
The brief is to return to Nuneaton. If that means a Tiny ground with Minimal facilities and a Community based Ethos to alleviate the objections of existing residents then so be it - the brief has been fulfilled.
If in Forty years time a new brief is forthcoming due to climbing the Pyramid, Groundshare arrangements can be negotiated utilising the options available in the Surrounding area and the unsuitable Tiny ground can be vacated.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 831
A word of caution here!
I don't think NBBC would be looking for NTFC to be 'vacating' the new Stadium in the future, that would be a serious concern!
What everyone needs to understand now is how the Pyramid works.
Once you are playing at a specific level, the Club is then expected to have plans in place to present to the FA, to show how they can progress to the next level above.
eg SLPC to NLN, then NLN to the National & so on!
So, that imposes a duty of compliance on the Club & that needs to be explained to the Planners, because it will drive the choice of site & the Planning Application.
It may well be that an agreement needs to be in place between NTFC & NBBC as to the level of progression that is realistically achieveable & work to that aim collectively, to avoid disappointment in the future.
Both sides will then know where they stand from the outset & NBBC can agree a 49-year lease with NTFC in confidence.
Edited by VoR at 07:50:21 on 13th November 2025
Edited by VoR at 07:51:32 on 13th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 917
Need to future proofing the club mate
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 797
We will never be in the Football League - we can’t afford it.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 920
Some great news at last ,and fully deserved,thanks to the people behind the scenes who have worked so hard , then along comes all the key board warriors and doom and gloom merchants.
reply to this article | return to the front page
6 people
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 878
It’s great news, that could be irrelevant news.
That is sadly the reality.
I hope it all comes to fruition.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 817
Planning system to come yet - the council backed Boro for the Jubille centre land.
Can be a right can of worms and so many will have a day from local residents to Natural England if they have issues.
Q
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 778
Vale View will attract many objections from Residents, the only way these can be mitigated is by compromise, Assurances that it will be a Tiny Community Stadium that will only ever be allowed to get to X000 Capacity could be the only way that anything would be allowed at all.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 851
Agree with that- for me vale view is a difficult sell but we will see.
If local residents object in good numbers their local councillors will have a field day fighting the application.
I back the site and scheme.
But:
I believe it will face big opposition and will fail.
We will see though and I hope I’m wrong.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 862
"I back the site and scheme."
So do I, it's back in Nuneaton.
"But:
I believe it will face big opposition and will fail.
We will see though and I hope I’m wrong."
So do I, Massive Opposition, unless the Residents can be convinced it will be of benefit to the Community - their Kids & their Kids Kids & it will only be Allowed to get to a certain size.
The only Hope is agreement by Compromise.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 758
Benefiting the community is not a compromise it’s the way forward.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 861
The thing is, Camp Hill have several community facilities now.
There is the Stockingford thing
There is the CHESS Centre.
Now IF a 3G pitch is possible, that would be a massive bonus.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 775
"Camp Hill have several community facilities now."
Stockingford is not Camp Hill. Take you between 15 & 20 Minutes to walk from Vale View to the CHESS.
Almost as Long to Drive it with the State of the Roads (+Temporary Traffic Lights) around Nuneaton.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 836
The FWP Feasibility Report highlights the need for replacement amenity equal to that which is lost, or to prove the enhancement of the existing amenity is sufficient to be considered worthwhile, to mitigate the loss.
That needs to be addressed in discussions with the Planners early on in the process.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 879
Don’t count yer chickens 44 - the planning process hasn’t begun yet and that could be a minefield- remember the Jubilee centre fiasco and Elliot park.
It is good news though that the council have backed the prospect with a lease of ground.
A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step!
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 919
Flipping heck mate I’m having a laugh
You really think people are thinking boro can play in the football league and if the new ground isn’t up to that standard they should scrap it LOL
Come on
Retired Boro fan
Tottenham and Austin FC sufferer
Edited by Spurs and Verde at 21:40:40 on 12th November 2025
Edited by Spurs and Verde at 21:40:59 on 12th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 850
FWP Architects have included a paragraph in their Feasibilty Study about 'future proofing' the Club.
It doesn't expand on what those intentions are, so unless the present custodians of NTFC can shed some more light on their intentions, the final choice of site could possibly leave the Club hamstrung in the future, leaving future custodians facing a roadblock to their aspirations/ambitions.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 716
How many of our past custodians have got us anywhere near the football league? Not that many have achieved the National League.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 711
And when it has been achieved, what followed?
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 869
"unless the present custodians of NTFC can shed some more light on their intentions"
Move back to Nuneaton - that's it.
"the final choice of site could possibly leave the Club hamstrung in the future, leaving future custodians facing a roadblock to their aspirations/ambitions."
Who cares? Nobody looking at this now will be around - it's dozens of years away.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 847
Your last sentence is very worrying!
Football thrives on aspirations/ambitions, it's what drives the game in general & the FA have created & are still building the football pyramid to support those dreams.
Once you limit the level to which a Club can reach, you are effectively sticking a pin in the balloon & that could rebound on the Corporate sponsorship & put off future investors.
So, the present custodians need to care & make sure NTFC can continue to progress, both now & in the future.
Edited by VoR at 22:20:23 on 12th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 770
Our ambition in the late sixties early seventies was to avoid relegation. We have never been champions at the highest level of non-league football. Look at Tamworth, Brackley and Solihull - that’s the kind if success we can aim for. Look at the standard of their grounds and the community facilities they have.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 693
Suggesting EFL stadia is quick frankly ludicrous and have we not learnt from our past experience?
Success for right now is NOT what league we play in it’s getting OUR club back to Nuneaton for the wider communities benefit
Small incremental ground improvements year on year , a phased approach is needed with strong fiscal management (which we demonstrate monthly) And yes we fully understand that decisions we make now will save the heartache down the line in terms of outlay .
The people responsible for making this happen have a firm grasp of what’s required and at various stages in the process we will keep the fan base and community informed .
The club has made massive strides in the last 18months , for the first time we some light at the end of a long tunnel and we know the challenges we have ahead
Anyway have great weekend all ..see you all tomorrow UTT
reply to this article | return to the front page
6 people
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 652
Shame we have one person who has never seen NTFC, continually spamming the forum with his one area of knowlege, repeating the same stuff over and over to make himself look clever and lord it over all us thickos.
I'm no supporter of vale view but if its the only place then so be it.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
reply to this article | return to the front page
4 people
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 613
There is more than one person Boropod and to be honest they are completely patronising towards the knowledgeable guys running our club and on top of that they are so boring.
reply to this article | return to the front page
5 people
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 668
Come on that’s tosh - those running the club will have to pay for professional input unless you’re telling me there are RITP planners, QS’s, designers and planning agents on board. How many of those running the club the last 60 years have had good intentions and been trusted to do the right thing? Any custodians of a club should be open to scrutiny surely?
Why people get upset when people make opinions based on knowledge is beyond me. It’s like someone running off in a strop when being beaten at trivial pursuit.
This forum is a talking shop and debate is good and some people will stick their knowledge in - some don’t have knowledge - that fine, so what?
Some have related knowledge and some don’t- some have no other interest in life than football and other sport- some have other interests - that’s how it is.
The more input from those interested the better if you ask me and that includes Quantity surveyors , rocket scientists or sport monkeys if you know what I mean.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 574
"This forum is a talking shop and debate is good"
That is the whole point, AV. Debate is a two-way thing, but one poster here pontificates (maybe from a position of knowledge) but does not listen to what's said in response. It smacks of condescension, implying that his ideas are the only ones worthy of consideration.
Edited by Greg (NBFC) at 10:04:09 on 15th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
2 people
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 610
Your probably right after all you know a lot about Tosh
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 635
Is it a crime to have knowledge?
Is it a crime to have watched Boro for years but only to be totally exasperated and pissed off by yet another financial collapse?
Is it a crime to wish the new club well although not paying to watch them?
Is it a crime to have an interest in the procurement of a new ground for the club?
VOR like others has skin in the game - he’s a former long time supporter like me.
My reasons are slightly different for not yet joining the new bandwagon but I tell you this- I hope they go from strength to strength and give all those who want it something they can be proud of.
I still don’t totally trust the new incarnation; there are still those involved who were involved with the last collapsed club and imo still have questions to answer.
Having 500 fans turning up to low level non league football is impressive but other failed reborn clubs have had far better support at lower levels.
500 will serve you well now but will be distinctly average when returning to Southern premiership central and inconsequential if Boro did get back to nat north. The Boro fan base despite some younger members is ageing. Will the club ever attract new supporters if it only ever offers village league football?
For many years Boro/ town have represented the largest town in Warwickshire but had acted like a club representing a village - playing tiny towns and village teams.
And all the total screw ups and financial calamities has totally shredded the reputation of the club both in Nuneaton and further afield.
I like VORs input - I don’t agree with everything he says but with a construction background myself and an architectural academic background I’m always willing to listen to what he says. I don’t agree with his view on chasing a football league type ground but I do think that a conf north ground should be planned for. But as the sage of all things non league and Boro VS has said many times- football changes and clubs can move forward and backwards.
Boro have moved backwards generally for years but who’s to say that one day they might actually become a success and that locals follow the story in greater numbers when the product offered is good.
There are many good people down at the new club who due to their long standing support deserve some success - I know some of those involved with the coop - good people who do good work - they deserve a successful club.
And just remember it’s unlikely, very unlikely but you can never say never - there are plenty of examples of well run clubs who have bi passed Boro/town and gone higher - it can happen.
It can’t be easy running a club like Town/ Boro and we’re all to ready to criticise former incumbents who we believe made horrendous mistakes- many did and it is totally acceptable to criticise them.
It’s early days for the new club and so far it all looks good - there’s a long way to go and that’s why so many former and current supporters are so interested- VOR is one such individual.
The new club MUST be realistic but that doesn’t mean they can’t be aspirational.
For me if the new club comes back to Nuneaton and comes back into its historic fan base area then it will grow again and prosper - if it ends up back out on a limb like at Liberty way it will stagnate.
Time will tell but even though I’m no longer a stalwart supporter I still back the institution to rise again. I don’t believe anyone who’s ever regularly watched the Boro doesn’t believe that.
Perhaps due to Boros history the club should use rip it up and start again as it’s run out song🤔
Edited by Armchair Observer at 21:18:13 on 14th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 514
I totally respect anyone's view on whether they want to watch the current club - I had a hiatus when I first moved away where I followed things from a distance but rarely attended. I do think you may be surprised at the quality of (some of) the football we play.
As for VoR - I respect his knowledge of construction (about which I know nothing) and accept that he has views. There are two of his traits that I find very difficult:
Firstly, right from his first post he made an assumption that no-one else has had radical ideas like his: approach the club with ideas for development and offer help. For those of us who had spent literally years doing that with the SSC (the forerunner of the Supporters Co-op) that was like a slap in the face and was bound to rub us up the wrong way. He still does that now.
Secondly, we listen to him but he does not listen to anyone else - or at least if he does he ignores other views. Take Gala Field as an example. The council has said that Griff has a lease on it. I and a number of others have told him time and time again that we can't have it because someone else uses it. He still keeps trotting it out at regular intervals as the only/best option. That is a clear statement that he is either ignoring us or puts no value on what we say because he knows better.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 544
If you check out NBBC's Cabinet Report, you will see that Gala Field is one of the sites put forward for consideration.
IMO, it is still the most viable, cost effective site for the new Stadium.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Hear Hear n/t
Views: 541
And as if to prove my point, VoR immediately raises Gala Field again - despite being told yet again that we can't have it because someone else is the tenant. Just FYI, VoR, I have also been told today that council will not even allow a fence to be built around the pitches there because it maintains the green space between Attleborough and Coton.
So there you go - now you have another bit of information about Gala Field that you can ignore when it's given to you.
reply to this article | return to the front page
2 people
Hours of peace
Views: 467
Were entirely because his beloved Cov RFC were at home today. Early k.o. at The Butts because of the RU international.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 688
Well said. Ambition is all well and good but should be tempered with common sense. We need the basic standard necessary for the league we are at currently ,or the league above if the current success on the field is maintained. You do not need a Richo or even a Kidderminster or Chester type of ground when the attendances are below the thousand mark. Throwing money we have not got at, what is presently a pipedream, would be foolish, if not downright irresponsible . Learn from past mistakes!
Edited by Stockingford Blue at 17:04:32 on 14th November 2025
Edited by Stockingford Blue at 17:05:47 on 14th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 787
Nuneaton has never had a football league side! Ever! Full stop!
I’m 40, and in my lifetime, we’ve spent less than 25% of that time in the conference/national league
We are, realistically, at best, a conference north club.
reply to this article | return to the front page
3 people
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 774
"We are, realistically, at best, a conference north club."
The only Location in Nuneaton to achieve that aspiration is at Liberty Way.
reply to this article | return to the front page
2 people
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 715
Without changing rooms or a bar.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 772
The emphasis on at best
I think two leagues above where we are now is our probable ceiling. Back to the level we were at before dying/resurrecting as town. Southern premier central
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 777
"I think two leagues above where we are now is our probable ceiling."
Where we would be Treading Water or Making up the Numbers. Never threatening to get another Promotion but keeping the Interest alive by trying to get into the Playoffs with no Great Expectation to win them.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 722
Just like most other clubs at that level
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 815
I suspect the likely chosen 3G pitch specification will prevent them from going any higher.
Level 7/Step 3 (SLPC) would be the ceiling.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 761
"Level 7/Step 3 (SLPC) would be the ceiling."
That's fine, so the sooner everyone accepts that we can all start to work to that aim & stop worrying about how we are going to chase the Dream & pay Players that want the Megabucks that we are never going to be able to Generate.
reply to this article | return to the front page
2 people
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 797
If that is the perceived reality, then FWP's Feasibility Study needs to be amended & re-submitted to the Planners, to avoid creating unnecessary confusion/misunderstandings.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 782
"If that is the perceived reality, then FWP's Feasibility Study needs to be amended"
Plenty of time for that, I think the whole idea of this work is to show NBBC that the FC are serious about moving back to Nuneaton & thereby start a ball rolling.
Nobody will expect these original Presentations/Studies (Call them what you want) to represent exactly what will happen. Just take a look at the Original plans for Liberty Way - Nothing like what we eventually ended up with.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 801
Sort of but this -
14 seasons of alliance premier for Boro/ town since 1979- average leauge crowd of only 1300 odd in that time.
National north crowds average no bigger than 800 since that leagues inception.
When was the last time Boro had a league crowd over 5000?
Crowds in the last 50 years don’t particularly tell us that Boro/ town are well supported. Current National league and May north averages are higher than Boro have achieved for most seasons in last 50 years.
The last time Boro played in the national league at Liberty way Boro gates were nothing to shout about.
You have to be aspirational but you have to be realistic.
Nuneaton is a short trip to big midlands clubs - I can’t see Nuneaton villa and Cov fans giving their teams up to watch town even if they got back to National league.
As for building big white elephant stadiums - these also have to be maintained and that also costs money - whether you apply JIt or ppm maintenance programmes.
Town should look at history to see what they require and imo that would be nothing bigger than 5000.
If the day did come when the town threatened to get in the league then they can cross that bridge then.
Aspiration yes
Bit also realism.
reply to this article | return to the front page
3 people
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 809
A 5000 capacity Stadium meets EFL requirements.
Edit:
Forget the past.
The process is driven now by the FA's ground-grading requirements.
Edited by VoR at 23:38:15 on 12th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 769
The past related to support must be understood - the days of 3000 non league crowds are long gone at Nuneaton. They can occur but are very rare - Rushden at home 1999? 4500. 1000 of them away fans.
Plan for what you’ll need best case scenario.
5000 max - similar to LW bit with a proper stand with facilities and a cover down the side.
reply to this article | return to the front page
2 people
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 776
FWP's Main Stand layout shows a future capacity of 500 seats.
That meets the National League's requirements.
4000 total capacity.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 786
"FWP's Main Stand layout shows a future capacity of 500 seats."
Yes, but it will all get watered down in the compromise to get anything at all.
Tiny Community Stadium back in Nuneaton is better than nothing at all. Brief fulfilled.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 816
Agree, I expect a stadium with a capacity of no more than 2000 with 250ish seats and cover for maybe another 500.
No issue with that btw before 44 carries on at keyboard warriors
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 792
"No issue with that btw before 44 carries on at keyboard warriors"
No issue from me either. Something similar to the Pingles (Without the Running Track) with a fence that you can't see through would be fine.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 805
Happy days then
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 730
But doesn't that imply that we should be planning the Nuneaton equivalent of the Bernabeu or the Emirates Stadium - because what would happen if we joined the EFL then got three promotions? Thyen reached the Champions League? Now we can all clearly see that's not realistic. Some of us can also see that our sensible limit is below EFL.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 804
If that ever happened & it's not likely, then a groundshare at the CBS would be needed.
The limit of Town's progress upwards through the pyramid would be EFL League One (however improbable).
That would ultimately require a Stadium with a 5000 capacity, including 2000 seats & 500 lux floodlighting.
That is why the choice of site & gaining a satisfactory Planning Permission for that ultimate requirement is necessary at this stage.
That will future proof NTFC's phased progression upwards through the Leagues.
Anything less than that will leave the Town hamstrung in its aspirations/ambitions.
Edited by VoR at 23:17:41 on 12th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 735
"If that ever happened & it's not likely, then a groundshare at the CBS would be needed."
At least we agree that there is a limit to what we need to (potentially) accommodate.
"The limit of Town's progress upwards through the pyramid would be EFL League One (however improbable)."
But that's where fantasy comes in. We don't need to plan for something that our club has never achieved in its entire history. Every attempt at being a full time club has ended in going bust, so common sense would say we shouldn't go down that path. The chances of a part time club reaching EFL (or even, realistically, National League) nowadays are zero - I trust you would agree with that. So why plan for it?
National North is as far as we can expect to go, so that's all we need to plan for.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 719
Your future planning needs to encourage future investment, so it needs to be expansive, without setting limitations.
Who knows what is possible in the future?
As far as the National League North is concerned, playing at Level 6/Step 2 requires a FIFA Quality PRO 3G pitch.
That will not be suitable for Community use.
NTFC are likely, by choice of 3G pitch specification, be limited to playing at Level 7/Step 3 (SLPC).
Any aspiration to play in the SLPC Play-Offs would then most likely be denied, because of the inability to achieve promotion to the NLN.
Do NTFC aspire to be an Elite professional football club in the future, or settle for being a recreational/community football club?
The answer to that question will dictate the choice of site in Nuneaton & drive the Planning Application.
Future proofing the new Club is IMO the key driver.
Others may have different opinions.
Edited by VoR at 07:21:21 on 13th November 2025
Edited by VoR at 07:22:50 on 13th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 680
The pitch can be improved at a later date
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 708
Best practice in Construction Cost Planning is that you only pay for everything ONCE & don't leave anything hanging or to chance.
Try to plan carefully & consider all of your options/requirements at the outset.
NBBC have stated that the new Stadium development needs to be fully funded by NTFC.
That will require a robust approach from the Club if they are to successfully secure a 49-year lease from the Council.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 774
You are making an assumption about the likely pitch type (unless you know something we don't about the club's plans?), but surely that would not affect the stadium design plans. At this stage, it's irrelevant.
"Do NTFC aspire to be an Elite professional football club in the future, or settle for being a recreational/community football club?"
Ignoring the grammatical error in there :), are those official FA terms, or just descriptions you are applying? Surely every club has to accept that it has a natural range of levels within which it will realistically play? If not, my previous point about needing to build a Nuneaton equivalent of the Emirates applies.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 755
The choice of pitch type has various options & that will be determined by the new Club & their aspirations/ambitions.
From memory, Ted Stocker's plans for Liberty Way were to install a grass pitch within the Main Stadium & a three-quarter size 3G Community pitch outside of the Stadium.
That is a very cost effective & sensible approach.
Do NBJFC require a full size pitch to play on?
If a grass pitch is chosen for the new Stadium, it needs to be of a standard to play lower league EFL football (as was installed at Liberty Way).
If a higher quality grass pitch is required for more durability (particularly through the Winter months) then a hybrid grass pitch would be a good solution.
The type of pitch chosen for the new Stadium will impact on the future aspirations/ambitions of NTFC.
I have answered your last paragraph in a reply to one Bo Montrode's posts.
Edit:
You can do the maths on the area comparison between a full-size & three-quarter size 3G pitch.
For Community use, it would only need to be a FIFA standard quality pitch & not a FIFA PRO quality pitch.
Edited by VoR at 09:31:32 on 13th November 2025
Edited by VoR at 09:31:52 on 13th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 661
Ted Stocker's plans for Liberty Way .......
I stopped reading then.
What happened?
Stocker got his money; Neale got his club; Liberty way was built (below) minimum.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 773
"Anything less than that will leave the Town hamstrung in its aspirations/ambitions."
In an attempt to fulfil the current brief, which is to return to Nuneaton, ignoring the above would be an acceptable compromise on the basis that you can't have everything.
Tiny new Community Stadium in Nuneaton - or nothing. That's the current choices.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 809
Yes - but town could soon find themselves staring at national north chance again. Within 5 years is possible.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 822
"town could soon find themselves staring at national north chance again. Within 5 years is possible."
I really do not think so. Town are never going to attract the income needed to pay the players that could achieve this. There is a ceiling approaching whereby a Moneyman/Consortium of Investors that would need to write a cheque every week to make up the shortfall of income over expenditure. When this doesn't happen we are stuck treading water. Maybe another 2 Promotions & that's it.
reply to this article | return to the front page
3 people
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 558
That will do nicely.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 755
Nuneaton Town CIC Limited could convert to a CIC limited by shares.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 771
"Nuneaton Town CIC Limited could convert to a CIC limited by shares."
Yes, and start to attract all the wrong people with their own Agendas based on getting Control of their very own Plaything - we've been down that route before and it didn't work out that well!
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 783
It cannot be ignored.
It has to be considered, the implications are too great.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 740
I think you misunderstand the mentality of the average Boro supporter - and followers of most clubs similar to Boro. Most of us are happy to go along to watch "our" team, hoping for a win, sharing the misery when we lose. To a large extent, the level is unimportant, Over the years, many of us have spoken about how great it would be to win promotion to what is now EFL, but in practice we would rather be near the top of National League North than be whipping boys to bigger clubs in League 2.
Every fan needs to accept that their club has a level above which they cannot reasonably expect to rise. It's not lack of ambition, it's realism. Experience has shown that signing great players and paying them full-time level wages will result in going bust. This administration has made it clear that we will not be spending beyond our means. That almost certainly leads to the conclusion that we will be a semi-pro club - which in turn sets our ceiling around NLN. Planning for higher than that would be imposing restraints that are not needed.
Edited by Greg (NBFC) at 16:09:48 on 13th November 2025
Edited by Greg (NBFC) at 16:11:01 on 13th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 735
spot on G.
what i will say is at the moment by all accounts
the lads running the club appear to be doing a sterling job OFF THE field.
HENCE a WELL DONE TO ALL
the clubs structure comes before anything to do with the playing side
which is a different ball game...... if you will excuse the pun
good and bad seasons are part and parcel of the game
everybody cant be a winner, its a fact of life with any sport contained by a league system.
chasing dreams with unrealistic set ups has done for it .
JG was just the final straw... that broke the camels back... hes not been the only contributor
there has been a shed load B4 him
reply to this article | return to the front page
2 people
Re: Another step along the way
Views: 737
If that is the perceived ceiling (the NLN) it will be by definition the key driver for the Planning Application & needs to be clearly communicated & agreed with the Planners, because it will impact on the new Stadium design.
Membership of the NLN will require either a FIFA Quality PRO standard 3G pitch (unsuitable for Community use), or a grass pitch in the Main Stadium.
The 3G pitch (either full size or three-quarter size) will then need to be installed outside of the Main Stadium.
A three-quarter size 3G pitch (FIFA standard quality) will be suitable for Community use.
A three-quarter size 3G pitch will be better accomodated on the Vale View site layout & will be less problematic with tree loss issues.
Edited by VoR at 11:15:52 on 13th November 2025
Edited by VoR at 11:16:45 on 13th November 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
Previous thread: Boro v Histon FC, 50/50 result. by boro4415/11/2025 17:58Sat Nov 15 17:58:53 2025view thread