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0-0 HT
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Fairly sizeable crowd for the Warwickshire derby. Good contingent of Nuneatonians.
Even first half. Typical Derby. Their coach v energised. Boro created some good chances but couldn’t put them away!
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Managers interview
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Not much in terms of teams first half think they probably edged it.
Second half we were completely out played, cant remember us having a shot on goal all game really. Could of easily been 6 or 7 nil.
Got to say the bench isn't strong enough and our tactics play into most teams plans, no clue in how to change things.
Dont want to bash any players but Hendrie ... why is he still at the club, bench player for the last two seasons and just not good enough. Anyone see the corner he took ?
Anyway they weren't brilliant but had us in there pocket ....
We move on
Edited by Lord of the Manor at 17:46:23 on 31st August 2026
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Warwickshire Derby??
Sutton Coldfield is in the county of West Midlands, town hasn't been in Warwickshire for 52 years! 🤔
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Re: 0-0 HT
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The geographical county isn’t defined by the county council borders. They are only for admin purposes. Sutton Coldfield has always been very much part of Warwickshire!
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Yes it was until 1974, until the county boundaries changed.
Not been in Warwickshire since and is unlikely to be in ever again.
It's not just for administrative purposes, it physically isn't in Warwickshire anymore.
I suggest you look at the counties on a map.
You may aswell say Coventry is in Warwickshire if you go by your logic! 😆
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Re: 0-0 HT
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No the 1972 Act which specifically created the metropolitan areas like the West Midlands specifically stated it did not change the historic county boundaries or loyalties.
I suggest you look here:
https://realcounties.com/
Where you will find Sutton Coldfield has always been in and remains in Warwickshire.
The West Midlands is an administrative area not a county.
On the basis you’re suggesting then Leicester wouldn’t be in Leicestershire; Nottingham wouldn’t be in Nottinghamshire and Leeds wouldn’t be in Yorkshire.
Sorry but you are wrong about this!
Edited by Gustavus at 18:38:57 on 31st August 2026
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Absolute nonsense!!
Historically yes.
From 1st April 1974 no.
The six Metropolitan areas formed in 1974 are officially classed as counties.
For example, Liverpool is now in Merseyside, whereas pre-'74 it was in Lancashire.
Leicester & Nottingham are still in their original historic counties as their boundaries were unchanged.
Warwickshire got split up when Birmingham & Coventry went into the West Midlands.
When I lived in Coventry all my addressed mail stated 'West Midlands' never Warwickshire.
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Re: 0-0 HT
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I’m sorry it’s you talking nonsense.
The historical counties remain and the legislation specified there should.
The metropolitan areas are administrative areas only. They are not historic or geographical counties.
Read the link I sent you and you will understand!
Leicester is not in Leicestershire county council area. There is no Yorkshire council area. And Nottingham isn’t in Nottinghamshire county council area.
It’s the same situation as Warwickshire
Edited by Gustavus at 21:03:44 on 31st August 2026
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Yes, 'historical'. Pre-'74.
You've just confirmed what I said.
That link you sent just shows the old counties as they were before the boundary changes after the 1st April 1974.
The current map is completely different lol.
The Metropolitan areas post-'74 are administrative and counties in their own right.
Leicester is a city within Leicestershire and Nottingham a city in Nottinghamshire.
Warwick is the county town of Warwickshire.
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Re: 0-0 HT
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No the historic counties is the correct name to use for the current geographical counties hence why that site is called real counties to educate people like yourself who don’t understand no piece of legislation ever abolished or changed the historic county borders.
Leicester and Nottingham are metropolitan areas with unitary authorities and metropolitan Mayors. But nobody would place them outside their county borders in the way that people like you have misunderstood with Warwickshire.
Seriously read the detail on the website and you will understand that the 70s metropolitan areas were for admin purposes and did not change county borders
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Re: 0-0 HT
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You clearly haven’t read it then!
Just because you always believed something to be the case doesn’t mean it was correct.
Every written answer from the government post the 72 Act has confirmed the historic counties continue to exist and the borders are unchanged.
West Mids was an admin area and it was subsequently abolished. It was never a geographical county!
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The West Midlands is a geographical county formed in 1974.
The article actually states: 1972 itself described the new top-tier areas as local government areas which were “to be known as counties".
Hence why maps were changed to show the new counties and boundary changes and even Ordnance Survey maps were re-drawn.
Yes, the West Midlands County Council was abolished in 1986, but was later replaced with the West Midlands Combined Authority.
Also Leicester and Nottingham are not metropolitan areas as you incorrectly pointed out and never have been.
The real counties article is fascinating , but it focuses on historic counties pre'74, not the present day. Good for historians though.
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Re: 0-0 HT
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No that’s wrong.
The west mids was created by the 72 Act and came into existence in 74.
This is what the act stated:
“The new county boundaries are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change despite the different names adopted by the new administrative counties.”
This is why you are muddled. It was simply an admin area. And indeed the west mids combined authority actually covers a different and wider geographical area so is a different admin entity entirely to the old council. It did not affect the geographical counties and that is why to day was a Warwickshire derby!
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Re: 0-0 HT
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You're confusing myths with facts. Counties aren't some divinely placed geographic regions, they are human creations.
The old boundaries were only administration aswell.
Unfortunately Sutton Coldfield is now in the West Midlands, along with Birmingham and has been for 52 years.
Too much nostalgia. Things change, get over it.
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Re: 0-0 HT
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I don’t mean this offensively but that’s just ignorance.
The English geographic county borders have been continuous over a thousand years of history.
Just because you have wrongly assumed something doesn’t make it a fact.
I’ll leave it there now because this is clogging up the forum.
Read the legislation, read the actual sources, read the continually stated government position. And please do actually read the website links.
Both Nuneaton and Sutton Coldfield are in Warwickshire and despite the result I enjoyed a contest Derby today.
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Yes I've read it all thanks.
It's an article about our history showing old maps, that are out of date.
Just nostalgia.
I do wish Coventry returns to Warwickshire at some point though, but can't see it happening sadly.
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What's in a name?
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My birth certificate says Meriden, (Warwickshire), although I was actually born in Keresley (Warwickshire). On the Tamworth Road to be precise. (Tamworth incidentally was once in... Warwickshire).
My school records show that I attended schools in Coventry, (Warwickshire) - the correct postal address at that time. My father and grandfather had relocated first to Bedworth (Warwickshire) and then on to Coventry (Warwickshire), from Nuneaton (Warwickshire), where our family had lived for three generations. This after after relocating from Wolvey (Warwickshire) in the 19th (century. Looking for work with the advent of the railways. Always work.
In 1968 I went away to college in London. When I left, I lived in Coventry (Warwickshire). When I returned four years later, Stan Yapp and his fellow bureaucrats had got their heads together and I found out that my parents' house was now located in Coventry (West Midlands). They nicked the maroon buses and painted them cream and white. They painted the yellow fire engines red. They struggled to make everything uniformly brummie. They failed utterly, because the good people of Dudley, Wolverhampton, Walsall and West Bromwich weren't too chuffed by that. Neither were some of those previously residing in Birmingham (Warwickshire). Some were given trams to make them pipe down, but Brum is Brum and that's that. ( I took my second degree course at Birmingham University: it's a fine town. Sorry city. Sorry I mean urban conurbation).
Our story mirrors many in the area. Migrants from Leicestershire moving across into rural Warwickshire. Then off to Nuneaton (work). Then on to Beduff (work). Into Coventry (work) And back round again. This is why claiming artificial geographical "feuds" or "rivalries" between all these local towns (and many more) is just silly.
Fact is, family history is more about location than statute books or boundaries drawn on maps. I have lived in a (Warwickshire) village since 1987. It has a Leicester post code. A Hinckley phone code. The school is governed by Warwickshire Education Authority and our Health facilities are in Hinckley and Leicester. Rugby Borough Council have just emptied the bins this morning.
And I follow The Boro. Because of family roots, yes. But I shop in Nuneaton. I like it. I have family there. I bank there. I work for an NHS charity based at The GEH. But it's premises are in Bedduff. As are Boro right now. Small world.
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Re: 0-0 HT
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There are two re-organisational proposals currently being considered by Warwickshire County Council.
The first is for Warwickshire to become a single unitary authority & joining the West Midlands Combined Authority, which already comprises seven Metropolitan Boroughs.
The second, favoured by Nuneaton & Bedworth Borough Council, is for Warwickshire to become two unitary authorities, split North & South, with Nuneaton Town Hall being the administrative centre for the North.
On the subject of the Shires, there are 39 shires still in existence both historically & culturally.
Local sport can also opt to base its competitions on the shires (eg Warwickshire Cricket League).
Edit:
The Association of British Counties is a good reference, they also provide a map.
Edited by VoR at 10:09:54 on 1st September 2026
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Well, I'm gonna have to source an old map from 1973 as my current AA road map from 2022 is completely inaccurate. I need the 'historic counties' version.
Mine shows six metropolitan counties on the map that don't actually exist today according to Mr.Gustavus.
Unless I upgrade my map or satnav to a 1973 version my planned road trips to Merseyside & Greater Manchester could prove very tricky indeed! 🤔😆
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Re: 0-0 HT
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The 7 Metropoltan Boroughs are:-
Birmingham
Coventry
Dudley
Sandwell
Solihull
Walsall
Wolverhampton
Warwickshire could be the 8th?
You need to download the Association of British Counties map.
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Yes, they're the 7 Metropolitan Boroughs of the West Midlands.
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Does it really matter?
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Re: 0-0 HT
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I have read the article.
All it confirms and shows is the map of the counties of England before April '74.
What you have said is absolutely correct for pre-1974.
But new counties were formed and boundaries changed in '74 and still exist today in 2026
Metropolitan boroughs in England (such as Birmingham or Leeds) belong to metropolitan counties like the West Midlands or West Yorkshire.
Leicester and Nottingham are inside the non-metropolitan counties of Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire respectively, but are completely independent of those county councils for local government.
Both Leicester and Nottingham combine the functions of both a county council and a district council within their city boundaries.
Same for Derby.
There are six metropolitan counties: Greater Manchester, Merseyside, South Yorkshire, Tyne and Wear, West Midlands and West Yorkshire.
They all have their own police forces too.
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Oh and further to above leicester and Nottingham are unitary authorities which cover the city alone. They are completely separate to the county councils. If your logic applied they’d be separate counties but they aren’t and aren’t regarded as such.
As for postal address you mentioned earlier. Another red herring. You can use any county name you want on them! The main thing is the postcode.
And here’s the specific link you need to read
https://realcounties.com/2026/08/21/what-actually-happened-to-the-counties-in-1974/
Edited by Gustavus at 23:40:31 on 31st August 2026
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Re: 0-0 HT
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Whichever county we played in, we weren’t at the races.
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2-0
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Good finish into the corner from their No10
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Re: 2-0
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Nice to see us giving up yep well done town pathetic supposed to compete for 90 not 45 ffs 😡🤬
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Re: 2-0
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How do you know that they have 'given up' if you're not there and cannot watch it?
Sometimes the opposition are just better on the day and that's that.
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No you gotta compete for 90 not 45
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Re: 2-0
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How do you know the team aren't competing? They haven't walked off the pitch have they? The game is still happening.
We are not going to win every game.
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Re: 2-0
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Yes but not leaving someone on the pitch who was on a yellow card who now is sent off 😡
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Re: 2-0
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Let me get this right.
anyone who picks up a yellow card should immediately be substituted?
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Re: 2-0
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No but should have kept his head. Tho
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It was very soft ..personally I thought it was a fee kick and maybe just a last chance warning
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You are Boro's number one fan (apparantly
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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These things happen. Chill.
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Bedrock two up
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75m beating Cov Utd 2-0
Little by little.
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11-1 up
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Rugby Town away at Highgate.
Little by little.
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Boro down to ten men
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Shilton sent off for second yellow card
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Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Battled hard first half but outplayed second half. They were much more clinical and looked well organised l.
We tried very hard but the sending off didn’t help.
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They’ll be more of these,all part of the learning curve. I hope that our fans understand this and keep calm.
Little by little.
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Fully agree with your comments, any one can see that this league is a much stronger league than the two we’ve won back to back promotions from, so please don’t expect another promotion, most of us would be satisfied with a top ten finish,
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Fully agree, we know its a better league ..... but ..... given our attendances and our income we should be up there or there abouts, today didn't show that.
I think its down to the managers, its there job to recruit the players and at the minute I dont see it.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Also, how are Spurs doing (and have been doing)
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Have a look at this table.
Who is bottom?
Unless something changes they will be at the same level as Boro next season.
Averaging 1500.
Income from gates is not such a big factor as it was.
The model at the Boro is not designed for success, it's designed for sustainablity. Look at what happened when that sustainability was not considered.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/northern-premier-league-premier-division
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Two good points but generally in these leagues unless you have a sugar daddy bigger gates generally means better players/higher league position.
I know the higher you go the harder it gets and first half yesterday we matched what turns out to be the second place club....... second half we hadn't got a clue, dont think we even had a shot ..... that really is poor .
Anyway we move on .... FA cup next
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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BTW
The team with the highest average attendance sits 21st with just one point from five games.
Last season they finished 14th.
>>>> Former Nuneaton Boro fan <<<<
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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I didn't say all ... but in general
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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"given our attendances and our income we should be up there or there abouts"
Should we? Playing budget based on an average crowd of 400. I don't know what any of the other clubs playing budget is based on in this league. Many have their own grounds (so no rent on top to pay) and benefactors putting in extra cash.
Plus it's still early days. Only 5 games into the season .
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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And they have food and bar income
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Some teams are averaging 150 in this league, I dought bar and food income has a big effect on there budget. You Also have teams like Cov United... they rent, there attendances aren't that good, I dont know if bar and food income belong to them.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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We are now in a level where more clubs have individual owners who pay a lot out of their own pocket too. Cov Utd have to be one of those clubs imo, partly for the seasons you mentioned. Hiring that ground and being able to compete* on the crowds they get must mean the cash for players is coming from somewhere.
*Lost today mind!
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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+1
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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I believe we now base budget on 500 ... is this correct
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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No, it's based on an average crowd of 400.
I don't know what any other clubs playing budget is based on and how it is funded
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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What im suggesting we're a big club in this league.
I know we dont own a ground and everything that goes with that but today we lost to a team that averages 140ish ... now either there being bank rolled or there recruitment is far better than ours .....
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Or they have a more established squad.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Maybe. Its very early days but but we need a stronger bench . You cant have players on the bench who cant even take a corner kick .... basics
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Agree early days no problem with that.... but we dont seem to match teams..... first half today we did ..... second half we couldnt and we had nothing in the locker to change it. The bench isn't strong enough and I believe were looking at players/ asking other managers .
Regarding finances.... looking it from the outside just because we pay rent, no bar or food takings etc etc we're still a big club ( gates, sponsorship, merchandise) we should be able to match the top teams on wages without going over budget. I get some players will be on big money but there's plenty .... plenty who aren't. Recruitment is the key.
As i said above I believe we're looking at players.... is this because we haven't recruited right in the first place???? ( i dont know )
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Wasn't there today, but it sounded like we were rocked by two early goals in the second half and then were down to 10 men not very long after that. Which means it's also going to be difficult to compete.
We also have some injuries to key players (Armson and Green). Both experienced heads at this level and the level above for Armson. New team in a new league, 5 games in and still learning to gel.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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We matched em first half but could of easily been 3-1 down at HT, second half we looked like rabbits in a headlight.
We have a squad, we shouldn't be relying on one or two. Agree early days but the signs are there.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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We need a centre forward/striker
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Inconsistency yet again
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Who
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Very true. This league is a bigger step up than some realised. Mistakes are more often punished, and defences are more organised.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Why are we not shooting from outside the box,we did it in friendlies and scored don't get it,also Mr Murphy did well when he came on winning balls in the air and flicking it on more than we did in 1st half imo should be given the chance to start games.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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There lies the problem. I posted ,when Jardine quit, that finding a replacement who could score with his regularity would be difficult. Several posters disagreed, and seemed to believe us being a well supported club would attract such players. Without breaking the budget I believed that we would not find such a replacement; that seems to be the case. Scoring aside, I still believe that any successful team is built around a solid defence. Get that right then the results will follow. We don't , at the moment, seem very strong at the back. Whether this is due to how the defence is set up, or a lack of understanding amongst the new players I honestly don't know.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Again this isn't the players fault ... its the way they've been told to play.
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Could well be the case.
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Strange Scores Today
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Mickleover lost 0-6 to Loughborough Students. Weren’t they supposed by be one of the better sides? Similarly, Carlton lost 4-0 at Shepshed. Typical beginning of season matches. Get to 10 games in and then we’ll know where we stand.
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Yes by not being so inconsistent might help 👍
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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I’m calm but also annoyed with how inconsistent we are it’s all good competing for 45 mins but it’s a 90 minute match it looked like we stopped playing fair play to Sutton Coldfield and deserved the win but it’s alarming to see the inconsistency
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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We are tactically naive and have no plan b, shipping 2 goals every league game on average and we'll continue to struggle.
Good amount of effort and team spirit though.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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+1
Said today we mis Carsley and his whipped in balls into the box, his balls down the wings behind the back 4. We haven't seen anything like that this season, when Essa got the ball today most of the time he cut back ..... he should be given thst ball down the wing to run past the full back
Edited by Lord of the Manor at 18:55:59 on 31st August 2026
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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It seemes to me that last season, Eesa and Kai worked the right flank while Callum did the left on his own. This season, Eesa seems to play more left with Chesterton providing the overlap. I'm not sure it's an improvement on either side.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Yes, sacrificing a strength to cure a weakness. Square pegs in round holes.
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Eesa contantly checking back to get the ball on his right foot means he gets tackled most of the time, such a waste on the left.
Note to self, 'be careful what you wish for'
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+1 .... I wonder why we see it but the coaching staff dont for about an hour then switch it
Edited by Lord of the Manor at 19:46:30 on 1st September 2026
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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You perhaps have better football knowledge than they do
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Im available if they need any coaching
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Maybe they do, but they are also thinking about things you havent seen?
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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How do you know that?
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I dont. It's a guess.
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Understandable but it’s very concerning being so inconsistent
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Why would you be happy for your team to be play badly / lose every game/week?
That would be consistent
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Re: Full Time Sutton Coldfield 2 NTFC 0
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Need to stop being inconsistent Jimmy armson is a big miss
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