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3G mid-season verdict.

By Amberion (legacy user)4/2/2015 13:44Wed Feb 4 13:44:47 2015

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As fans what are your views on your new pitch? Also what are the views of the opposition fans and clubs, is it mostly positive (if they win!).

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My view

By Lee Farmie (legacy user)5/2/2015 08:47Thu Feb 5 08:47:56 2015In response to 3G mid-season verdict.Top of thread

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This view is completely about watching the football and nothing to do with all the other terrific benefits the pitch brings to the club and the community.

There was a guy in the East Grinstead who was obviously quite sceptical about the football, about the fact that it wasn't on grass and presumably that it was somehow not the same game.

My view is quite simple. I went to watch Maidstone's stadium opener against Brighton a couple of years ago. Watching the way the ball bounced and played it was like watching a match played on a very good Premier League pitch or at Wembley.

Moving on a year or two, we have exactly the same at Whyteleafe. There's a significant difference between our pitch and a lot of the grass pitches at our level we go to at this time of year but very little difference between our pitch and top level pitches at the Premier.

I'm really struggling to think of a bad game of football played on our pitch since it was put down. There have been some bad performances not least by our own team but the best footballing teams come to Church Road and do well.

Bad pitches seem to be a leveller. Is that a good reason for sticking to grass? For some teams maybe it is.

I'm not sure anyone said Maidstone's pitch is better than ours. I think the comment was that they saw a lot less rubber fly up. However, this was when our pitch was brand new. It had to bed in and if the same person/people turned up now they probably wouldn't say the same.





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Personally.....

By bruce leafe (legacy user)4/2/2015 14:22Wed Feb 4 14:22:43 2015In response to 3G mid-season verdict.Top of thread

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I love it. We are very lucky to have a progressive and ambitious chairman, who instead of throwing money at the squad is investing heavily into the club to make it a community facility and build the club up from there. The 1st team should be funded through the club, not an individual throwing money in the hope of a false position.
Up until a few years ago, i would have been very wary of it, been a traditionalist who liked to see grass and mud etc, however seeing the amount of junior teams playing on it on a Sunday, there is no doubt that it is the way forward.
Then initial cost is very high, but its available for hire and the club house is now buzzing throughout Sundays with teams that used to have to play either at the local rec or miles away on Purley Way.
Also, an end of season renovation of a football ground should cost between £6000 to £10000 for a basic renovation plus whatever you spend through out the season. Gone are the days of having to have an expensive service on the mowers etc.

We had a couple of teething troubles early on, but now it seems to be settling down nicely and although visiting fans seem split on whether its good or not, the visiting players seem to love it. It has consistent bounce and although a little slow at the moment, i believe it will quicken up in time. I,m sold on it and i think others over the next few years will come around. These are not the QPR or Luton plastic bounce-a-thons of the 80's .

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Re: Personally.....

By Amberion (legacy user)4/2/2015 15:18Wed Feb 4 15:18:07 2015In response to Personally.....Top of thread

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If the pitch favours passing football I would be keen to see 3G at Sutton. Some of the pitches we have played on recently have been awful. The team currently train in Guildford so the only time they get together at Gander Green Lane is on match days. I’m sure our home performances would improve if the training was at ‘home’. For that to happen we need 3G.

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Why Guildford??

By bruce leafe (legacy user)4/2/2015 16:11Wed Feb 4 16:11:52 2015In response to Re: Personally.....Top of thread

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When you could probably train at WFC. Call Chris Leyton for details.
It may save your players travel time during the week.
Remember these surfaces are not maintenance free at all but there is no time of the year that they are out of service.
A grass footy pitch should be repaired, renovated than out of action through may, june and lots of july. 2 and a bit months is tough to get grass to root deep enough to create good drainage and be strong enough to last the rigours of a tough season. Esp if the weather is a bad as last Jan Feb and March.
Apart from 4 deep cleans a year, these pitches can be earning the club money through the summer months.
I truly believe in a couple of years it will become a' no brainer' for clubs at this level and higher.

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Re: Why Guildford??

By Amberion (legacy user)4/2/2015 16:41Wed Feb 4 16:41:56 2015In response to Why Guildford??Top of thread

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The manager and some of the coaches and players live in the south west. So Guildford is the compromise location for daytime training. Plus the facilities I’m told are superb. Our reserves and youth team play at Banstead so a 3G pitch if installed would save us ££s.

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Re: Why Guildford??

By Objer194730/11 05:15Tue Nov 30 05:15:10 2021In response to Re: Why Guildford??Top of thread

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Re: Why Guildford??

By DwightS0926/11 10:23Fri Nov 26 10:23:57 2021In response to Re: Why Guildford??Top of thread

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AND ITS.........

By bruce leafe (legacy user)4/2/2015 18:43Wed Feb 4 18:43:11 2015In response to Re: Why Guildford??Top of thread

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always bloody cold at Banstead!!
Seriously, i would consider it for Sutton.
Dont be fooled, its very expensive, getting on for £500k. But a lot of the cost is not the pitch itself but the drainage, fencing etc.
The pitch would need to replaced in 10 years, depending on hours of use, but it would be less than half as much again. So work on a twenty year plan with a cost of £750k.
Thats about £37,500 a year to break even spread over hire and bar revenue. And its all year round dont forget.So thats £3125 a month. You can mark it out for 9 a side across the pitch for junior teams etc.
And like you say you can save ££s on your res training straight away.I believe the equipment to maintain the pitch ie brushes etc was also included, but Paulo would have to confirm that, so no more massive machine service cost etc, seed and top soil!!
Its a big commitment but one I believe more clubs will take to in the future.I am sure that if you wanted to come down and have a look we would be happy to show you around.
Cheers.

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Re: AND ITS.........

By Gatekeeper (legacy user)8/2/2015 11:47Sun Feb 8 11:47:41 2015In response to AND ITS.........Top of thread

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The break down costs are interesting. You say you need to make £3125 a month the break even. That does seem a lot. I assume your club is achieving that figure at the moment?

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Re: Personally.....

By Clive (legacy user)4/2/2015 15:53Wed Feb 4 15:53:24 2015In response to Re: Personally.....Top of thread

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The quality of the games at home this season has been far better than prior years in general. Through no fault of our groundsmen, our pitch was very dry and bumpy so the new surface has been a big improvement.
Some fans say our pitch is not as good as Maidstones. I can't comment on that as I haven't been there.Yes it can slow the ball a bit at times but overall it is a fantastic improvement.Mind you go and watch a game at Whitstable and the ball bounces like a medicine ball. I know which pitch I would rather watch a game.
Commercially,as has been said,,it sounds a great success.
You comments about being able to train etc on the same pitch are true. However, it doesn't mean that your home form would improve- we've only won 4 league games at home( and 9 away!)
I think it unsurprisingly has been difficult to convert the grass prurists but I don't know anyone who hasn't enjoyed the games on our new pitch.

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Re: Personally.....

By PBFC (legacy user)4/2/2015 18:12Wed Feb 4 18:12:52 2015In response to Re: Personally.....Top of thread

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I think the 3G is fantastic as I is the whole way the Club is developing in every direction.

As regards comparison to Maidstone my Lino friend Mr Hatt thinks ours is the best surface he has ever stepped on, with far more spring and comfort than Maidstone's.

PBFC

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Re: Personally.....

By Paulo (legacy user)4/2/2015 17:11Wed Feb 4 17:11:10 2015In response to Re: Personally.....Top of thread

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Having been involved since the first sod was ripped up, I can only say its been a great success. A bit like Bruce said, if you had asked me a few years ago I would of been wary about going down the 3G route. However since has been installed plus associated fencing and terracing the ground has been transformed.

Whilst there is no "close season" maintenance, ongoing maintenance is vital. The pitch is a FIFA 2 star rated surface (the highest you can get). A weekly log has to be maintained (as we are checked every year) re what work has been carried out ie. light brush, deep brush, cleaning plus checking the ball roll via a stimp metre the same sort of thing they use at golf courses to check the speed.

I am not aware of the income generated however the pitch is used 7 days a week and other local clubs have booked the facility. Saturday mornings we have close to a 100 youngster playing games and a very successful soccer school.

Have had nothing other than positive feedback from visiting players & supporters.

Only way to go for non league clubs if they can afford it. Maybe the F A should look at a way of making loans not grants available to clubs.

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Paulo...

By bruce leafe (legacy user)4/2/2015 18:29Wed Feb 4 18:29:04 2015In response to Re: Personally.....Top of thread

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I am interested from a personal point of view, what was the cost to the club in days gone by of the cost of a end of season renovation.

I know roughly that a top dressing for a rugby/football pitch can cost upto £6000 and thats before machinery/seed and man power. It cost me nearly £1800 to do my cricket square this year and its a lot smaller than a footy pitch and i believe the basics are the same.

If you dont want to put it here on the forum, then we can talk over a beer or two Sat!!

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Re: Paulo...

By Paulo (legacy user)4/2/2015 19:21Wed Feb 4 19:21:40 2015In response to Paulo...Top of thread

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You are not far off the mark. About 80 tonnes of topsoil/dressing, 12 large bags of type 51 seed and a contractor to come in to spread the soil and the drill sow the seed. We were always under a tight budget so didn't do too much to the flanks. Then we were in the lap of the gods with the weather. The grow sheets we invested in worked very well. Alas it always seemed that after we did the work we had 3 weeks of no rain!

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Re: Paulo...

By Clive (legacy user)4/2/2015 19:58Wed Feb 4 19:58:11 2015In response to Re: Paulo...Top of thread

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I sense a tear in your eye- you miss it don't you- admit it man.

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Re: Paulo...

By Paulo (legacy user)4/2/2015 21:10Wed Feb 4 21:10:38 2015In response to Re: Paulo...Top of thread

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Not at all Clive. In the growing season the pitch had to be cut twice a week. Each time there were about 25 barrows of cuttings to dispose of. Then another hour marking the pitch. In the non growing season there was lots of work trying to prepare a pitch that was either under water or frozen.

I don't miss it one little bit!

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Re: Paulo...

By Lee Farmie (legacy user)4/2/2015 21:32Wed Feb 4 21:32:00 2015In response to Re: Paulo...Top of thread

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You miss the stolen quad bike more.




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Re: Paulo...

By Paulo (legacy user)4/2/2015 21:55Wed Feb 4 21:55:31 2015In response to Re: Paulo...Top of thread

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Yes I do admit to have cried on my own about that.

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3G Revolution Funding

By PBFC (legacy user)5/2/2015 00:36Thu Feb 5 00:36:10 2015In response to Re: Paulo...Top of thread

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Ok, it's a made up stat, but I doubt it would be far out, that if every Premier League player and manager gave up one week's wages a year then the whole of non-league down to our step, even one lower could become 3G in a few short years.

It would be great for the future of English football, you know, the game that has turned them all into multi-millionaires.

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Re: 3G Revolution Funding

By Leafey lion (legacy user)5/2/2015 06:35Thu Feb 5 06:35:15 2015In response to 3G Revolution FundingTop of thread

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From each according to his means to each according to his needs. Didn't someone once suggest that for society in general?

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Re: 3G Revolution Funding

By Lee Farmie (legacy user)5/2/2015 08:13Thu Feb 5 08:13:26 2015In response to Re: 3G Revolution FundingTop of thread

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So, PBFC has become a Marxist all of a sudden?





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Re: 3G Revolution Funding

By PBFC (legacy user)5/2/2015 14:08Thu Feb 5 14:08:57 2015In response to Re: 3G Revolution FundingTop of thread

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I KNEW that quip was coming!

No, I am still a nailed on capitalist because I have never seen a scrap of evidence to suggest that any alternative might work.

However I also believe in benevolence and if you look at the track record of the world's richest people in history many were huge donors to so many projects and causes that helped millions if not billions of people.

Bill Gates at present is 50% funding the project to globally irradiacate Polio. Warren Buffet is actively gifting away 99% of his $60Bn personal wealth before he leaves us.

Football has made so many PL players and managers multi-millionaires. Meantime non-league clubs have lost the ability to sell players to professional clubs to keep the wheels turning.

Leafe sold Steve Milton to Fulham for £35,000 25 years ago. That's never going to happen again is it?

If the elite players and managers gave one week's wages a year (with 40% tax relief if a Charitable Trust is set up) the grass-roots of football could be transformed.

PBFC

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Re: 3G Revolution Funding

By KobyDrennan23/8 12:47Mon Aug 23 12:47:11 2021In response to Re: 3G Revolution FundingTop of thread

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